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IMPORTANT QUESTION:

If T-Mobile USA now "officially" has the iPhone, will they make those of us already with an iPhone "automatically" put us on one of those AT&T Type "iPhone Data Plans"?

This would increase my monthly bill (I use an original iPhone with $5.99/mo EDGE Data Plan).
 
If T-Mobile USA now "officially" has the iPhone, will they make those of us already with an iPhone "automatically" put us on one of those AT&T Type "iPhone Data Plans"?

This would increase my monthly bill (I use an original iPhone with $5.99/mo EDGE Data Plan).
No one knows because neither T-Mobile nor Apple have announced anything. It's really up to the carrier to decide subscription terms. Apple really just wants their subsidy payment.

Different carriers have different plans. If you read any of the articles about international carriers and their plans, you will see a lot of different offerings and different pricing.

So in case I wasn't clear, T-Mobile USA does not "officially" have the iPhone. When they do, you will know, because there will be an official announcement, something with facts and numbers, not rumors and hunches.
 
Another stupid article. Apple has exclusive agreement with AT&T until 2012. They are not going to break the agreement.
 
Another stupid article. Apple has exclusive agreement with AT&T until 2012. They are not going to break the agreement.
We have no idea if the alleged original exclusivity term of five years is still in effect. Contracts are rewritten all the time; that's what a mortgage refi is.

Based on Wired's exposé of Apple and AT&T's strained relations, it's entirely possible (maybe even likely) that the contract was changed to one-year exclusivity and extended on a yearly basis, due to Apple's frustration with AT&T. We already know that AT&T stopped sharing subscription fees with Apple with the debut of the iPhone 3G and started paying a straight one-time subsidy. A major change in compensation terms likely required a new contract.

Additionally, there might have been a service level agreement. Apple could have nullified the contract based on AT&T's network problems.

If you believe the Wired article, Apple considered ending the partnership multiple times for a variety of reasons.

It is myopic not to consider the possibility that the exclusivity terms were changed during a contract rewrite.
 
Didn't read all the replies...

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

If T-Mobile USA now "officially" has the iPhone, will they make those of us already with an iPhone "automatically" put us on one of those AT&T Type "iPhone Data Plans"?

This would increase my monthly bill (I use an original iPhone with $5.99/mo EDGE Data Plan).

If and when t-Mo gets it (and I hope they do), your 5.99 plan is history if you add the ipHone 4. The plan you have is EDGE, and (like any carrier), once you add a 3G-enabled phone, you will need a 3G plan. They MAY have an iPhone specific plan, or it may just be the current "Smartphone Unlimited Web & E-mail"... that and the BB plans both are at 39.99 with no contract, 49.99 WITH a 2 year plan (wtf? What is up with that, it looks backwards!)

If you have a grandfathered phone plan, it could still be less than the deathstar...
 
If and when t-Mo gets it (and I hope they do), your 5.99 plan is history if you add the ipHone 4. The plan you have is EDGE, and (like any carrier), once you add a 3G-enabled phone, you will need a 3G plan. They MAY have an iPhone specific plan, or it may just be the current "Smartphone Unlimited Web & E-mail"... that and the BB plans both are at 39.99 with no contract, 49.99 WITH a 2 year plan (wtf? What is up with that, it looks backwards!)

If you have a grandfathered phone plan, it could still be less than the deathstar...

Well, what's happening with AT&T users is that if someone gets one already activated, and puts their SIM card in, if they don't have a Data Plan (say they just want to use Wi-Fi), AT&T reserves "the right to add one" if you use an iPhone on their network.

I wonder if this will be the same with T-Mobile - I guess we can only speculate right now.
 
well that's obviously not true, I was just in Yellowstone and had full 3G coverage throughout most of the park :rolleyes:

that 3g being handled on verizon towers. i was there too over the 4th of july week.

the map is from at&t's site. and according to the legend shown, except for a few spots at the very western boarder around jackson, the state has either no coverage or only partner coverage.

EDIT: added the t-mobil data map. either nothing or partner.

perhaps im reading that map incorrectly. but im waiting for att to buy towers in freemont county, or apple to get the iphone on verizon.
 

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I'm using an iPhone 4 on T-mobile now.
1. Had to cut down my mini-sim to micro-sim size. That was not difficult.
2. Had to get it from Europe (UK) so it was factory unlocked. Not difficult, but not subsidized.
3. Works nicely except only on EDGE, not 3G - presumably due to the frequency issue. In theory, it should be relatively easy to open up the new frequency (e.g. no additional antenna/chip needed etc, just tuning to another frequency like a regular radio). Hopefully the chips support it. IIRC they can.
4. No visual voicemail. Not a big deal.
5. T-Mobile on iPhone 3GS (on 3.x and 4.0.0) was having trouble receiving MMS, but sending okay (e.g. Google "the media content was not included due to a picture resolution or message size restriction"). Not sure if iPhone 4 running 4.01 is still doing it.
6. Since EDGE and not 3G, can't using internet/mail etc while on the phone. Not a big deal.
7. Gets equivalent or better reception in the areas (Florida only so far) I use it with iPhone 3GS's on AT&T - e.g. same areas, bars etc. (EDGE vs 3G of course).
8. iPhone 4 has performed equal or better in reception and dropped calls in the 2.5 weeks I've been running it on T-Mobile US as compared to previously with iPhone 3GS.

All in all, it (and 3GS and 3G) have worked great on T-Mobile USA with the exception of 3G vs EDGE, so it would be welcome to have it officially supported.

BUT, I'll believe it when I see it. Seems unlikely that it would launch in 2 months, 1 week. Could be just a software upgrade to tune correctly, but seems kind of rushed given past history.

MMS and Tethering as well as T-Mobile services work if you use my T-Mobile USA Carrier Bundles with the appropriate patches applied to iOS4. Meaning, you'll have to jailbreak. Then apply the CommCenter patches. As for T-Mobile's 3G, it's the fastest in the nation at 21Mbps. In the forums, the fastest I've seen in the real world via a USB dongle is 16Mbps.

The 1700Mhz frequency is a problem and as far as I know the new iPhone does not support the frequency. US Government is idiotic. Instead of treating frequencies as a national highway for all to share, they license frequencies to the highest bidder, which may be a single company. There should have been no reason why AT&T could not share the 3G frequencies with T-Mobile like 74 carriers in European Union share.
 
can someone please educate me as to why anyone would want t-mobile? :confused:

there is no comparison to verizon's 3G coverage.
 
I'm guessing no one has realized that Google created two versions of the Nexus One to work with TMO's and AT&T's differing 3G bands. That alone is proof that TMO would likely get the iPhone sooner than VZ.

If Google can quickly make 2 GSM phones, then Apple can easily do it as well. It's the ATT exclusivity contract that's holding this up...
 
can someone please educate me as to why anyone would want t-mobile? :confused:

there is no comparison to verizon's 3G coverage.
You might want T-Mobile if their network functions better in the places where you commonly find yourself. Every carrier has dead spots.

You might want T-Mobile if you want to travel internationally and not have to buy/acquire a GSM phone.

Some people think T-Mobile's customer service is better. Other people might like their pricing.
 
I'm guessing no one has realized that Google created two versions of the Nexus One to work with TMO's and AT&T's differing 3G bands. That alone is proof that TMO would likely get the iPhone sooner than VZ.

If Google can quickly make 2 GSM phones, then Apple can easily do it as well. It's the ATT exclusivity contract that's holding this up...
Contracts are rewritten all the time. Heck, that's what a mortgage refi is. We have no idea if the alleged original exclusivity term of five years is still in effect.

Based on Wired's exposé of Apple and AT&T's strained relations, it's entirely possible (maybe even likely) that the contract was changed to one-year exclusivity and extended on a yearly basis. We already know that AT&T stopped sharing subscription fees with Apple with the debut of the iPhone 3G and started paying a straight one-time subsidy. A major change in compensation terms likely required a new contract.

If AT&T's exclusivity is about/has expired, the thing that's holding up the T-Mobile iPhone is probably their tardy rollout of a 3G network.
 
Contracts are rewritten all the time. Heck, that's what a mortgage refi is. We have no idea if the alleged original exclusivity term of five years is still in effect.

Based on Wired's exposé of Apple and AT&T's strained relations, it's entirely possible (maybe even likely) that the contract was changed to one-year exclusivity and extended on a yearly basis. We already know that AT&T stopped sharing subscription fees with Apple with the debut of the iPhone 3G and started paying a straight one-time subsidy. A major change in compensation terms likely required a new contract.

If AT&T's exclusivity is about/has expired, the thing that's holding up the T-Mobile iPhone is probably their tardy rollout of a 3G network.

Sucks for you then cause I get blazing 3G speeds with TMO on my other phone than my coworkers do on ATT.
 
Although I think it's a good idea that the iPhone be made available on multiple carriers, it's definitely NOT a good idea for Apple to get with T-mobile. Although they have great customer service their network is not as robust as some might believe, their infrastructure is nowhere near that of Verizon or even At&t for that matter and with good reason too. T-mobile's focus is Europe, not the U.S., and it's evident by the moves they have had to make simply to keep some market share in the USA. No one has better deals than t-mobile, because that's what they need to do in order to keep customers, customers don't got to t-mobile because of their network. So a few jail broken iPhones on T-mobiles network might seem nice, but you don't want to be there if all of a sudden millions of data intensive iPhones start taxing their network.
 
Nobody is gonna buy US T-Mobile. It's owned by Deutsche Telekom.


In the US, Sprint is number 3 and TMO is the number 4 wireless telecom company. Sprint is sitting on valuable spectrum for 4G, and that is what TMO wants. Deustsche Telekom wants to be part owner of a new company that comprises of the current TMO & Sprint using GSM for voice and Sprint's 4G spectrum for data. My prediction is that will happen sometime in the 1st or 2nd quarter of next year.
 
I'm guessing no one has realized that Google created two versions of the Nexus One to work with TMO's and AT&T's differing 3G bands. That alone is proof that TMO would likely get the iPhone sooner than VZ.

If Google can quickly make 2 GSM phones, then Apple can easily do it as well. It's the ATT exclusivity contract that's holding this up...

Good point! :apple:
 
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