iPhone Coming to Verizon... Next Year?
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But would they subsidize it?
scaredpoet
macrumors 604
That doesn't mean they're going to sell that phone in Verizon stores though. To sell it, they want a specific level of control as to functionality and appearance.
Verizon either has to cave and let the iPhone not bear any markings on it, or Apple has to cave and let Verizon "customize" their version of the phone. Without that, sure, Apple can make a CDMA iPhone if it wants to, but there won't be a Verizon subsidy (meaning it'll be more expensive), there won't be any visual voicemail, and it still has to pass Verizon's technical inspection. What are the odds Verizon will just let the iPhone pass tests without at least trying to get their hooks into it somehow?
Why would you say this?
Honestly, I wasn't all that surprised or excited by this whole rumor/topic, but comments like the one below puzzle me.
What would be so bad about Apple expanding their phone offerings to be sold and/or officially supported by more carriers?
I don't see what AT&T exclusivity could possibly bring to the table that benefits me, the consumer, over a scenario like Apple making a CDMA network compatible version of the iPhone and offering it on Verizon's network too?
Personally, the only advantage I get by using AT&T right now as my carrier is the $5 a month discount AT&T gives me on my "CallVantage" voice-over-IP service for my home telephone, because I also have them for my cellphone.
Here in St. Louis, MO - their reception has been far less reliable for me than my previous Razr phone was with US Cellular, and I think I got a little bit better deal out of US Cellulars "all incoming calls are free" deal than AT&T's "rollover minutes", too.
Verizon doesn't do a lot for me, personally. (I had them for YEARS and switched away from them when they failed to offer me a reasonable way to use large numbers of "peak" minutes each month without paying per-minute overages. Plus, I had too many calls with "crosstalk" or outright dropped calls for the premium prices I was paying.)
But still, if a deal like that would motivate Apple to build a CDMA compatible phone, that'd be good for lots of us! (Suddenly, a hacked one can work on all sorts of US carrier networks.)
Honestly, I wasn't all that surprised or excited by this whole rumor/topic, but comments like the one below puzzle me.
What would be so bad about Apple expanding their phone offerings to be sold and/or officially supported by more carriers?
I don't see what AT&T exclusivity could possibly bring to the table that benefits me, the consumer, over a scenario like Apple making a CDMA network compatible version of the iPhone and offering it on Verizon's network too?
Personally, the only advantage I get by using AT&T right now as my carrier is the $5 a month discount AT&T gives me on my "CallVantage" voice-over-IP service for my home telephone, because I also have them for my cellphone.
Here in St. Louis, MO - their reception has been far less reliable for me than my previous Razr phone was with US Cellular, and I think I got a little bit better deal out of US Cellulars "all incoming calls are free" deal than AT&T's "rollover minutes", too.
Verizon doesn't do a lot for me, personally. (I had them for YEARS and switched away from them when they failed to offer me a reasonable way to use large numbers of "peak" minutes each month without paying per-minute overages. Plus, I had too many calls with "crosstalk" or outright dropped calls for the premium prices I was paying.)
But still, if a deal like that would motivate Apple to build a CDMA compatible phone, that'd be good for lots of us! (Suddenly, a hacked one can work on all sorts of US carrier networks.)
I think this could happen. Why wouldnt apple want that share of the market? Sure there is some red tape they would have to cut. But I am sure Verizon sees that apple is up and coming and want to cash in on it. I for one would be happy if verizon carried it. But only time will tell.
I really wish that the iPhone would come to Verizon as I am very happy with their service but am disappointed with the phone selection. However, I bought a phone first and foremost to make calls and have found Verizon provides the best service for this.
A lot of people are saying that this would make sense for the reason that it will help to expand Apple's market share by giving more consumer's the option to buy an iPhone. The only issue I see with this is that it seems historically apple hasn't been interested in getting their products to all consumers. If they were interested in this, they would have probably licensed their OS to Dell/HP/Whoever by now.
I hope they choose to take a different approach with the iPhone and attempt to get it to as many people as possible, but I'm not too optimistic about it.
A lot of people are saying that this would make sense for the reason that it will help to expand Apple's market share by giving more consumer's the option to buy an iPhone. The only issue I see with this is that it seems historically apple hasn't been interested in getting their products to all consumers. If they were interested in this, they would have probably licensed their OS to Dell/HP/Whoever by now.
I hope they choose to take a different approach with the iPhone and attempt to get it to as many people as possible, but I'm not too optimistic about it.
I've had every provider Verizon, Sprint, and T-mo, and now Im back with Verizon and It's a lot better then it was, btw I live in Philly. Never had AT&T my friends have had Cingular in our area and they always complained about it, anyhow, I've never been happier with Verizon minus not being able to have the iPhone on there network. When it finally is available I will get one on VZW, Maybe iPhone LTE?
Hate to break this to you. The 3G AT&T network is W-CDMA; something that was adopted shortly after CDMA made it's debut in the US.
LTE is an evolution of W-CDMA. GSM which is a TDMA technology ended with EDGE (2.75G.)
W-CDMA is not compatible with CDMA or GSM at all. While CDMA and W-CDMA are both CDMA based, they are not compatible. The first version of W-CDMA offered 56k channels instead of the 14,400/9,600 that CDMA offered and the W was for wideband.
I'm a former VZW employee and I don't have their phone service. I have an phone with AT&T, T-Mo and a wireless card through VZW. My phone gets better coverage than the VZW wireless card. There are times that even the T-Mo phone has better coverage than the VZW wireless card. This is across the US and not just a small area. AT&T has better coverage.
The phone plays a major factor in this. There have been software updates to help the dropped call issue on the iPhone.
Different bands though. Don't confuse the technology to the frequency it is run on.
The OS has nothing to do with this. AT&T bought Dobson; which game them a lot of rural areas too.
Same technology doesn't mean it will work the same and that the implementation is the same. Nothing says VZW needs to use a SIM card. CDMA offers that option but never used.
Different bands though; it may require more than the current chips in the iPhone 3G. What happens if it requires six chips?
I travel and have the exact opposite experience. My AT&T phone works in more places and has never roamed compared to the wireless data card from VZW.
The LTE iPhone will support 3G and 4G. You won't see CDMA added; more chips for only a few customers. The baseband chips can only shrink so much before they cannot shrink anymore. There are analog circuits in them and they are limited in ow small they can be made.
PURCELL429
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And I have had the exact opposite experiences that you have, which need to be taken into account. I trust that you have better service in some areas with verizon, I just haven't been to one. I have the best service in notheastern PA, in northern Michigan, rhode island, etc. And I've been to places that have no cellphone service whatsoever (some parts of west Virginia). It's all relative, no one is a clear winner. Just something to keep in mind.
andreab35
macrumors 6502a
Verizon would be the best thing for the iPhone in my area.
I go to work and I need my cell phone. If I need to call someone, I need to go outside to make the call. Or as always, I go outside and I either drop the call or get "No Service".
All others say to me, "Ahaha Andrea, you have this $400 crap phone and look at us- 2 bars with Verizon with our $50 crap phones!"
Maybe with a CDMA network maybe and hopefully I will be able to get better service.
But didn't Verizon turn down Apple in the first place? What would make them say yes in the future when they put out "iPhone competitors" like the LG Dare?
I go to work and I need my cell phone. If I need to call someone, I need to go outside to make the call. Or as always, I go outside and I either drop the call or get "No Service".
All others say to me, "Ahaha Andrea, you have this $400 crap phone and look at us- 2 bars with Verizon with our $50 crap phones!"
Maybe with a CDMA network maybe and hopefully I will be able to get better service.
But didn't Verizon turn down Apple in the first place? What would make them say yes in the future when they put out "iPhone competitors" like the LG Dare?
enkadrummer88
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Verizon on SIM by 2010
During this past Summer, I stopped by a Verizon store to ask them if they planned to switch to SIM phones anytime soon. The manager at that store told me personally that he has heard lots of news from corporate saying that they MAY be switching to SIM cards by the year 2010. If this is true, the idea of a separate iPhone manufactured to run with Verizon is an invalid statement.
During this past Summer, I stopped by a Verizon store to ask them if they planned to switch to SIM phones anytime soon. The manager at that store told me personally that he has heard lots of news from corporate saying that they MAY be switching to SIM cards by the year 2010. If this is true, the idea of a separate iPhone manufactured to run with Verizon is an invalid statement.
iphone coming to verizon wireless.......
so there are a few rumors or tips that in 2009 apple may add verizon to the list of carriers for the iphone. since vzw is evdo wouldnt apple have to completely remake the phone's hardware to work on evdo. i was just curious about this. i dont think a gsm based phone can run on verizon.
so there are a few rumors or tips that in 2009 apple may add verizon to the list of carriers for the iphone. since vzw is evdo wouldnt apple have to completely remake the phone's hardware to work on evdo. i was just curious about this. i dont think a gsm based phone can run on verizon.
fr33 loader
macrumors regular
I think iPhone would show up first to T-mobile before (if it ever shows up) with Verizon. Primarily because of being both ATT and T-mob a GSM network.
Is there a definitive link to show that Apple actually approached Verizon first with iPhone before ATT or are all this speculation?
Is there a definitive link to show that Apple actually approached Verizon first with iPhone before ATT or are all this speculation?
The people working at retail stores know just as much as us, if not less.
kozaczki033
macrumors newbie
I think you need to look at some other news
It is also another fact that verizon will be migrating from their 3g network to a GSM 4g network within the next 3 years. This means that once verizon makes the switch their phones will use SIM cards. Voila! You can just use a jailbroken iPhone like everyone else does to use non ATT SIM cards. Now all you have to do is waitapple: lover from birth)
It is also another fact that verizon will be migrating from their 3g network to a GSM 4g network within the next 3 years. This means that once verizon makes the switch their phones will use SIM cards. Voila! You can just use a jailbroken iPhone like everyone else does to use non ATT SIM cards. Now all you have to do is wait
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deannnnn
macrumors 68020
You misunderstood.
There are two cell phone technologies in the US right now: GSM (AT&T, T-Mobile) and CDMA (Verizon, Sprint)... CDMA is a dying technology... and it will be phased out eventually for 4G networks... Eventually all four carriers WILL be using 4G networks... most likely making them all compatible with each other... does that mean Verizon is making the switch to SIM card capable phones? No... it just means they are continuing to enhance the technology of their network and their phones.
scaredpoet
macrumors 604
Never take a store employee's word as gospel. It doesn't matter if you're talking to a sales manager of Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T, Cricket, US Cellular, Alltel or even Chinook wireless. Reasons for this abound:
- They are typically the LAST to know about anything new coming up the pike, due to poor internal communication
- What they DO know of upcoming changes is often heard through the grapevine and can be heavily distorted
- Some reps just flat out lie. Hey, they want to sell you a phone, and they have quotas to meet and commissions to earn. If you will only buy a phone from them that has wings and can fly, you better believe that some reps will try their damndest to get you to believe that their company is in the forefront of cell phone avionics.
Not all reps are this way. Some are quite honest and honorable. Unfortunately, those reps tend to not last long: they either get lucky and are promoted/transferred quickly to non-front-line work, find themselves another line of work, miss quotas and are sent packing, or turn bad to keep their current job. The cell phone retail sales game is not geared towards honest people.
If a retail rep, tech or manager tells you the sky is blue, don't challenge them directly, but diplomatically agree, and then go outside and verify it for yourself. Doesn't matter what company they work for.
bit_bucket
macrumors 6502
Are you serious. Look, this has been debated over and over and over again. The iPhone is GSM/UMTS, VZW Network is CDMA, these are two different technologies and are incompatible, end of discussion.
I say these rumors are totally false. Assuming that the exclusivity agreement in the US with ATT was not there, which it is, Apple would be the stupidest fools on the entire planet to develop a one-off phone for such a small segment of the market, for a failing technology which is outdated and antiquated. I guess when you use a VZW phone you long for something that even sports 90's tech. If you want the iPhone so bad, just switch and cut it out with this stupid, unsubstantiated machinations of a weak minded individual.
scaredpoet
macrumors 604
Your statement is contradictory. Part of the very structure behind the MAP core that is inherent in GSM (and later, AT&T's proposed version of LTE) requires that IMEI/IMSI pair. If Verizon goes LTE but continues with ANSI and doesn't bother with SIM cards, that will still leave an incompatibility. Verizon will be unable to register IMSIs, and AT&T won't know what to do with an LTE Verizon phone that lacks a SIM.
I think people are latching onto LTE and thinking it's an all-encompassing catchall, and a magic bullet to intercarrier compatibility. How does that line go?....
Inigo Montoya said:
At the end of the day, LTE is still a huge unknown. A final version hasn't even been 3GPP-ratified yet, so how it's deployed could be totally different between the two carriers, or totally the same depending on what choices they make. Until we see the first networks and first handsets, all we can do is guess as to how it will play out.
Oh, one other thing: Apple didn't exactly jump on 3G right away. What makes everyone think they won't wait an extra year or more for the bugs to be shaken out of LTE before they roll out a iPhone that will talk on it?
It is also another fact that verizon will be migrating from their 3g network to a GSM 4g network within the next 3 years. This means that once verizon makes the switch their phones will use SIM cards. Voila! You can just use a jailbroken iPhone like everyone else does to use non ATT SIM cards. Now all you have to do is wait
I have it on very good authority that Verizon will have a full GSM-capable network before the end of 2009.