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I don't know. What do they say when you ask why your RAZR doesn't have WiFi? Or a touchscreen (never mind multi-touch)? Or play wide screen movies? Or have an elegant interface? Orientation sensor? Proximity sensor? Large screen? 8GB of storage?

My point is that all phones and other things in life have advantages and disadvantages - you need to pick the phone that is right for you. In other words, the one that has the advantages you want.

I have GPS in my car, so I don't really care if my phone does too. It'd be nice, but not a high priority.
Really, the lack of turn-by-turn directions isn't the iPhone's biggest problem due to a lack of GPS. Basically, the manual implies that the iPhone's google map app does NOT have the ability to automatically determine the starting location (either through GPS or Trilateration). ...Without this ability, the Google Maps app is useless if you're on vacation and don't already know where you are.

They won't do anything to the hardware like add 3G, GPS or double the memory, however I wouldn't be surprised if there were some minor software additions/tweaks. High on my list would be:

MMS support
Ability to use an external GPS over Bluetooth with Google Maps
I doubt either of these features will be seen for at least months after the release date.

Basically, if Apple was planning on adding these features in the near future, they wouldn't be telling their employees differently because this would just lead to confusion on launch day.

Other features not mentioned in the manual... maybe.
 
hhmm. If the iPhone does not have any form of MMS, this might be a deal breaker for me. Im with Verizon currently, have been for 5 years and have been super happy. Im also in middle of a 2 year that i signed in August so I have a long time to go and i was willing to also get the iPhone as a side phone.

Having said that, i text ALOT. I send vids and pictures of just random stuff all the time. My friend was just having Sushi and she sent me pics and i sent her a pic of the sandwich i was making. So if im going to be spending $600+ on a phone and be paying monthly fee but not to be able to do such simple things as texting, then it just might not be worth it.

Can I send "emails" and such sure, but the whole point of texting is quick little tidbits sent to each other and if a high phone like this cant do it, then I feel like its an oversight from Apple and they undervalue that feature :eek:
 
Carefully chosen words, my friends...

Given that it is a full-blown OSX, and iChatAV IS part of OSX, the question might be.. Why wouldn't they do this?

No one from apple has ever said the iPhone runs MacOS X.

What has been said is "the iPhone runs OS X".

Apple is quite a particular and peculiar company, with probably one of the largest non-military PSYOPS outfits on earth.

They say "OS X" and you *hear* MacOS X. At D5, there was even a little clarification of this, with a nice qualifier, about how all of the things unneeded for a phone have been stripped away.
 
If Medianet isn't supported wouldn't that leave only Pdanet as a means of getting unlimited internet?
 
What About Numeric Keypad?

Does anybody know if the iPhone will have a numeric keypad that can be used to input numbers while surfing the web with Safari? I have seen picturess of the QWERTY keyboard, but did not notice whether there was a numeric keypad available. The reason I'm asking brings up my next question. Will the iPhone support buying things over the Internet, like from sites like Amazon.com? Of course you would need the numeric keypad to enter your credit card number.
 
Does anybody know if the iPhone will have a numeric keypad that can be used to input numbers while surfing the web with Safari? I have seen picturess of the QWERTY keyboard, but did not notice whether there was a numeric keypad available. The reason I'm asking brings up my next question. Will the iPhone support buying things over the Internet, like from sites like Amazon.com? Of course you would need the numberic keypad to enter your credit card number.
There's a button on the bottom corner that says ".?123" You probably press that to get to the numbers in stead of letters.
 
If it's "Full-blown OSX" then why not put iMovie on Garageband on it?

Because it would run as slow as molasses (or slower), and uses a different architecture (meaning possibly a lot of re-coding, though maybe just a recompile), and a different user interface paradigm (which means rewriting the user interface.)
 
I know. I was being sarcastic.

Oh, I didn't know that. Really? :D

I guess I just wanted to say it would be as slow as molasses. Then again, I wonder how fast of a processor the iPhone has. I've written some websites which sometimes use CPU-intensive Javascript, and I'm wondering just how slow/not slow those sites will run.

And I bet someone could hack it to run iMovie... if it were the regular Intel/PPC architecture. They managed to hack the :apple:TV.
 
What about voice recognition?

I would like to see voice recognition where you would speak a word that the iPhone would automatically dial the phone number. I know that there are cell phones that can do that. You would assign a word on certain phone number, and you would speak that word then the phone would dial the number for you.

Wouldn't that be cool for the iPhone. Hmmmm.... :)
 
i got a couple of questions....

1) i saw on engadget that not all pages of the handbook were out...any thoughts?

2)do you think we will be able to text and listen to music at the same time?

3)do you think there will be any new features of the iPhone before its released or is the iPhone all set?
 
I could care less about MMS, but, I am glad that some people here seem to be bothered with it. Just in case the 3 million iPhones available at launch is an over estimate, it should only increase my chances of getting one on the 29th. :p

that's my attitude:D
 
I would like to see voice recognition where you would speak a word that the iPhone would automatically dial the phone number. I know that there are cell phones that can do that. You would assign a word on certain phone number, and you would speak that word then the phone would dial the number for you.

Wouldn't that be cool for the iPhone. Hmmmm.... :)

My Motorola Pebl does this automatically, and I did not have to assign any "voice" to it, like my old Nokia. Ha, does get screwy when there is much ambient noise.

As with speculating other features of the iphone, well, it's all speculation till the launch date!
 
i got a couple of questions....

1) i saw on engadget that not all pages of the handbook were out...any thoughts?

2)do you think we will be able to text and listen to music at the same time?

3)do you think there will be any new features of the iPhone before its released or is the iPhone all set?

First all of this is already answered if you read the thread... but anyway...

1) The pages that are left out are blank and or training pages that do not specify any new information (they were left out to save bandwidth)

2) Not answered in the training manual, most likely yes.

3) Yes, the training manual states so.
 
3) Yes, the training manual states so.

Correction, the training manual says there might be new features, or new features within features:
Keep in mind that there might be additional iPhone features that are announced at iPhone's launch as well as additional information about the features in this guide.

I think Apple will, as they will want to raise the buzz level and make everyone absolutely forget about any possible shortcomings the iPhone may have.
 
- iPhone will not support the TeleNav solutions currently offered by other AT&T devices
- GPS is not part of the iPhone feature set.
- iPhone users will not be able to conduct IM conversations with instant messaging users
- Does not support MMS messaging for photos or videos

Just when I was starting to wonder if my recent HTC 8500 purchase was a bad idea... The TeleNav isn't a big deal... But no GPS support, no IM support, no MMS... Dead deal for me.

I'm going to bet that the lack of IM is an AT&T thing. They make a killing on SMS. It's part of the GSM feature set, and takes very little overhead. IM's require TCP/IP, more bandwidth... But WTF? a full feature browser and email client?

I'm sorry. I LOVE my Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, my Wife's iMac & Macbook and my daighter Mac Mini... but I REALLY think Apple dropped the ball on this thing.

As an IT manager I have a few MUST HAVE items for my phone. AIM support (built in or 3rd party), SSH, IMAP, .ics (iCal) and RDP. Looks like the iPhone is going to only have one of those items. Lets hope that Apple opens it up to 3rd party developers.
 
No MMS or IM isn't a big deal. AIM.com has AIM Express which is your full IM list and since Safari has tabs, there's almost no problem whatsoever. I use Aim Express at work all the time since I don't want to install it and it works fine. I think that no MMS people can get used to.

Has anyone caught whether this thing has a video camera or if its just a normal, still camera?
 
No one from apple has ever said the iPhone runs MacOS X.

What has been said is "the iPhone runs OS X".

Apple is quite a particular and peculiar company, with probably one of the largest non-military PSYOPS outfits on earth.

They say "OS X" and you *hear* MacOS X. At D5, there was even a little clarification of this, with a nice qualifier, about how all of the things unneeded for a phone have been stripped away.

Yes, there is a noted distinction between OSX and MacOSX. Could mean many different things, but from what he's said, they've got at least some subset of the Core APIs running and many other key elements of the OS (had a slide with a dozen different relatively well known technologies on it). And sure, they've left off a lot of 'data' that isn't critical to the operation of these elements.

So with that as a base for their applications, one would think they're in a good position to move whatever they might need in a fairly predictable fashion. Just a matter of whether whatever they might need can perform well enough on this alternate platform. And of course they're only going to move things that have a purpose on such a device.

iMovie and GarageBand aren't likely to be things that fit this kind of "Post PC era" format . Might well be others that do though. iChatAV seems like a good candidate to me. I would think that applications with limited interface requirements would be at the top of the list. PhotoBooth might be another, less serious, example.
 
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