iPhone Details from AT&T's Sales Training Workbook

[kdarling]

Do you have more recent reports though? 1998 would still be back in the analog generation of cell phones. Now that things are digital, wouldn't much of that change? .

I just Googled quickly, but there are full compilations of reports around. Search on PED, portable electronic device interference. For example,

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report_sets/ped.pdf

Actually, it'd almost be worse now, with all the portable devices that pump out interference in the MHZ ranges, while airplane radios and navigation haven't changed much in decades.

Also, this doesn't really illustrate why NONTRANSMITTING devices should also be banned.

Most people don't realize that almost every electronic device is a transmitter, simply because of the internal clock or tuning frequencies involved. A computer without WiFi, a game, a radio just for listening... they're all inadvertent transmitters.

 

[cloudnine]

nope

i don't know why you even bother responding... your words mean nothing without an explanation.

lame.

 

[EricNau]

...The home button does kinda have the same shape as the iSight camera... imagine the valley between the button and the case lighting up green when the camera is in use.

Also, the headphones are plugged in on the top of the device, like full size iPods. if you had to hold the phone upside down for video chats, the headphone cable would be at the bottom, so there wouldn't be a dangling cord on the captured video. Also your hands wouldn't cover the lens when you touch the screen if the camera it on top. To end the call, you could just press the home button. Your chat partner would the briefly see your finger at the end.
Of course, this is wild speculation, but I think it would be more than cool to have working video chat on a phone.

It's a wonderful idea, but surely if this were true, we would have heard of it by now (someone would have spilled the beans).

 

[kcroy]

Second camera, not the HOME BUTTON

This has been posted and been shut down. I'm just mirroring what others have said.. First, do you really think Apple would put a camera where you'd be touching constantly and smudging it up? Also, they would have had to used 3g for some type of iChat video app as opposed to EDGE.

I believe in the seond camera button, but I believe it is actually behind the touchscreen. MacRumors posted a patent on this before the touchscreen announcement. The iPhone will have video iChat with other iPhones, your computer at home, and to your AppleTV. Not using 3M. Gooble/YouTube technology, and Leopard Screen sharing will bring all of this together. Amazing little phone.

Also, yes, the phone allows video capture. Camera on the back and a camera on the front.

Preview screen would allow you to wipe off any crap on the camera before capturing video or pictures.

We haven't had but a small sampling of the iPhones capabilitieis.

 

[nickspohn]

I believe in the seond camera button, but I believe it is actually behind the touchscreen. MacRumors posted a patent on this before the touchscreen announcement. The iPhone will have video iChat with other iPhones, your computer at home, and to your AppleTV. Not using 3M. Gooble/YouTube technology, and Leopard Screen sharing will bring all of this together. Amazing little phone.

Also, yes, the phone allows video capture. Camera on the back and a camera on the front.

Preview screen would allow you to wipe off any crap on the camera before capturing video or pictures.

We haven't had but a small sampling of the iPhones capabilitieis.

I disagree with the second camera, but everything else i believe 100%.

 

[GNUMatrix]

It's a wonderful idea, but surely if this were true, we would have heard of it by now (someone would have spilled the beans).

Could be that it is not enabled on any of the phones that have been tested by those that would potentially spill the beans. I recall during the January demo that he was more than a little careful which way to turn the phone...

And if it isn't enabled, it may not be obvious that it is there. Unless you've looked into an iSight and also carefully inspected an iPhone, you might not even notice at all.

Sure seems that a lot of things are pointing in that general direction.

(I also posted what I thought was far more interesting speculation about the potential for integration with iChatAV and iTunes as far as increasing its user base in a BIG way that would tie into this nicely, but nobody seemed to take notice...)

 

[cloudnine]

Could be that it is not enabled on any of the phones that have been tested by those that would potentially spill the beans. I recall during the January demo that he was more than a little careful which way to turn the phone...

And if it isn't enabled, it may not be obvious that it is there. Unless you've looked into an iSight and also carefully inspected an iPhone, you might not even notice at all.

Sure seems that a lot of things are pointing in that general direction.

(I also posted what I thought was far more interesting speculation about the potential for integration with iChatAV and iTunes as far as increasing its user base in a BIG way that would tie into this nicely, but nobody seemed to take notice...)

You do realize that you sound a little like a crazy person, right? Were you really analyzing Steve Jobs' mannerisms during each rotation of the iphone during the keynote address? And really now, nothing is "pointing in the general direction" of the home button being an isight... i mean, really now... while it may possibly be viable while connected to a wi-fi network, it simply would not work over an EDGE network, and something tells me that Apple wouldn't have the patience to deal with all the moronic customers saying "OMG IT WON'T WORK OVER EDGE OMG"...

yeah... not so much.

 

[Slayerboym88]

I just Googled quickly, but there are full compilations of reports around. Search on PED, portable electronic device interference. For example,

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report_sets/ped.pdf

Actually, it'd almost be worse now, with all the portable devices that pump out interference in the MHZ ranges, while airplane radios and navigation haven't changed much in decades.



Most people don't realize that almost every electronic device is a transmitter, simply because of the internal clock or tuning frequencies involved. A computer without WiFi, a game, a radio just for listening... they're all inadvertent transmitters.

Just an FYI, most of those involve passenger confrontations. Others involved the devices catching fire. I spot 15 out of 50 which actually relate to signal interference. Of them, most are involved during takeoff/landing, when people actually do turn off their devices since the engines are too loud to bother talking anyway.

Although its not the strongest support, Wikipedia reports that even pilots nowadays are using their cell's inflight:

Despite the FCC ban on the use of mobile telephones on aircraft, virtually every pilot headset sold on the market today comes with a cell phone adapter so that the pilot can use his cell phone through the headset. The manufacturers avoid legal responsibility by claiming the adapters are for use on the ground, but many general aviation pilots have used their cell phones in flight at one point or another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft#United_States

Based off of these resources, I'm confident that iPhones are still going to be useable inflight.

EDIT: It seems that cell phones aren't the only things that our pilots are using, XM radio's are also adaptable for the pilot headsets. (See bottom of the attached link)
http://www.marvgolden.com/headsets/adapters.htm

Note, the MythBusters episode mentioned that they only encountered interference when the equipment used was unshielded. Shielded devices were unaffected.

 

[Aperture]

Considering the iPhone is a full fledged iPod as well, I really don't see how Apple could leave an airplane mode out.

 

[GNUMatrix]

You do realize that you sound a little like a crazy person, right? Were you really analyzing Steve Jobs' mannerisms during each rotation of the iphone during the keynote address? And really now, nothing is "pointing in the general direction" of the home button being an isight... i mean, really now... while it may possibly be viable while connected to a wi-fi network, it simply would not work over an EDGE network, and something tells me that Apple wouldn't have the patience to deal with all the moronic customers saying "OMG IT WON'T WORK OVER EDGE OMG"...

yeah... not so much.

Hopefully not crazy...?!

Was just thinking about other posts here and the nature of the sensor and how it could be used to trigger apps if upside down, etc. And all the "2nd camera" ideas, seeing if there is anything to contradict some of these notions. Thinking back, it seems that there is more evidence to support them than not.

When people do things that seem out of place, particularly in highly visible situations, you tend to notice. I've not watched the keynote in January since seeing it the first time, I just remember it being a bit odd that he commented how he had to be careful which way he turned it. Kinda made it seem like it was rather fragile, like something was going to fall out if he turned it the other way. Given that he had probably been using it for more than 5 minutes at that point, you'd think this kind of comment wouldn't be necessary, as if you happened to turn it the wrong way, you'd just turn it the other way, no big deal. Unless....

 

[Mgkwho]

Why couldn't the iSight be included next to the proximity sensor, where its shape would blend in to the hole? This would be akin to the IR placement to the left of the MacBook combo/superdrives.

-=|Mgkwho

 

[cloudnine]

Hopefully not crazy...?!

Was just thinking about other posts here and the nature of the sensor and how it could be used to trigger apps if upside down, etc. And all the "2nd camera" ideas, seeing if there is anything to contradict some of these notions. Thinking back, it seems that there is more evidence to support them than not.

When people do things that seem out of place, particularly in highly visible situations, you tend to notice. I've not watched the keynote in January since seeing it the first time, I just remember it being a bit odd that he commented how he had to be careful which way he turned it. Kinda made it seem like it was rather fragile, like something was going to fall out if he turned it the other way. Given that he had probably been using it for more than 5 minutes at that point, you'd think this kind of comment wouldn't be necessary, as if you happened to turn it the wrong way, you'd just turn it the other way, no big deal. Unless....

Do you have a timestamp for these comments? I was at the MacWorld keynote and don't remember him saying anything of the sort...

 

[Slayerboym88]

Why couldn't the iSight be included next to the proximity sensor, where its shape would blend in to the hole? This would be akin to the IR placement to the left of the MacBook combo/superdrives.

-=|Mgkwho

I understand your point, even though I still don't agree with it. Come to think of it, I think that the "iSight" button is the ambient light detector for the screen. Although, I guess that it is possible that that's the iSight...
I just feel like this is too amazing of a feature for Jobs to have left out of the initial Keynote is all!

 

[Aperture]

I understand your point, even though I still don't agree with it. Come to think of it, I think that the "iSight" button is the ambient light detector for the screen. Although, I guess that it is possible that that's the iSight...
I just feel like this is too amazing of a feature for Jobs to have left out of the initial Keynote is all!

Good call. It very well could be the ambient light sensor.

 

[nickspohn]

Are people forgetting that this is the best ipod to date yet?

Sure it doesn't have no where near the same space as just a plain ol ipod, but it's still a breakthrough.


And do you guys actually think apple / at&t will leave out MMS? As big as a multimedia phone this is, they are going to implement it in somewhere.

Apple wouldn't include in it's book that more stuff could be announced at the launch date for no reason. Which means it can only can get better.

They always do stuff like this. Like the Jan. Keynote. If you would of watched / seen the first 10 minutes or so, you would of thought apple was releasing 3 different products. Apple knows better...

 

[Slayerboym88]

Are people forgetting that this is the best ipod to date yet?

Sure it doesn't have no where near the same space as just a plain ol ipod, but it's still a breakthrough.


And do you guys actually think apple / at&t will leave out MMS? As big as a multimedia phone this is, they are going to implement it in somewhere.

Apple wouldn't include in it's book that more stuff could be announced at the launch date for no reason. Which means it can only can get better.

They always do stuff like this. Like the Jan. Keynote. If you would of watched / seen the first 10 minutes or so, you would of thought apple was releasing 3 different products. Apple knows better...

Well, to be exact, Jobs misled us during the Keynote. Actually having MMS after putting in the Employee manual would be downright lying. Granted the manual isn't intended for the public, all the same...it's still a lie! Why need to deceive the "employees."

Edit I just noticed that the TMobile Sidekick, a gear targeted towards 'teen and tweens' doesn't even have MMS capability. The Sidekick Wiki does however, show that email picture messaging can work too!

 

[loudestnoise]

Well, to be exact, Jobs misled us during the Keynote. Actually having MMS after putting in the Employee manual would be downright lying. Granted the manual isn't intended for the public, all the same...it's still a lie! Why need to deceive the "employees."

Edit I just noticed that the TMobile Sidekick, a gear targeted towards 'teen and tweens' doesn't even have MMS capability. The Sidekick Wiki does however, show that email picture messaging can work too!

While, I see that MMS is useful for many people, should we not forget it is just another way for carriers to charge their customers for features? I for some reason have always seen MMS as a "dumbed down" way of sorts for phone users to send photos. Obviously this is not entirely true, as simplicity is needed for many people who just want to send pictures to friends. The iPhone, however is kind of a phone that will be targeted for a little more of power users when it comes to technology. I know this is a generalization, but as the other user noted the Sidekick doesn't even have MMS, and somehow people found ways to send photos.

 

[inspiredmusic]

NO GPS, why?

I use gps to get places with my razr, why would I upgrade to a phone without GPS if I'm used to it and in that aspect I'd be downgrading?

 

[nickspohn]

I use gps to get places with my razr, why would I upgrade to a phone without GPS if I'm used to it and in that aspect I'd be downgrading?

Well it will still have directions.

So you have to look out the window of your car and find a intersection. Not that hard.

And knowing Apple, this feature will probably be added with something that can plug into the iPhones slot, or something bluetooth.

I don't think that just because this doesn't have GPS, it would turn away a lot of customers. Sure a few, but most of you need to remember:

ipod
phone
internet device

All in a sleek / touch sensitive device.

 

[RnSK]

"Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and asked you not to leave...

...because I'd go berserk?"

Ok. Look.

People...please cut it out with the "but apple may add some great fantastical thing to the iPhone with their "maaagical paaaawers" talk...it makes you seem desperate...or gullible...or just damned crazy.

ANYONE planning on buying an iPhone on the hopes that they will make any significant changes down the line is, I'm sorry, deluded.

There. I said it.

I plan to get an iPhone...based on the features and use I already know about and if that's all I get, Oki-Fine...I'll buy another one when they make a better one, and sell the old one on eBay, or give it to a friend or something.

Its...a...phone...people. Its not a microminimagictablet, its not a fantasy Star Trek LCARS-based PADD, its not the cure for friggin' cancer and the end of war.

Its a phone...a vanity phone to the umpteenth degree, but a phone nonetheless.

I mean guys, you know non Mac/Apple people read this stuff, right? I mean, have you ever considered, including of some of the Insane Clown "Feature Wishlists" I've seen, that this level of fawning is unhealthy?

I'm serious. It's just getting too friggin' weird.

Lets start here:

The iPhone is NOT A SMARTPHONE...its a multimedia/music phone and I'll be damned if I know why in hell Apple even "went there".

Oh wait. Because "music phones" don't cost 500 bones, and smartphones do, heheheh. Musicphones, you get for $99 or less with a 2 year commitment

Next Up:

The iPhone does NOT RUN MacOS X. It doesn't run MacOS X. Its not running MacOS X.

Furthermore, no one from Apple has ever said its running "MacOS X"...it was stated, and I personally keyed onto this instantly as it was so "weird" hearing it, that it runs "OS X".

Think I'm picking nits? Unca Steve made a interesting point of mentioning how stripped it was at D5.

Now...I think I mostly understand (outside of the Agitprop, which I am immune to) what Apple was trying to intimate here (you know, that unlike WinCE, er, WinMobile-based phones, it runs a "full os") but its a semantic argument, its marketing BS if that, at best; if it doesn't have the "full stack" (See: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html) and the full APIs, then it *is* essentially MacOSX CE...hence the "OS X" nomenclature

NOW before anyone (who knows what they are talking about, anyway...sorry had to add that qualifier...) jumps on me about this vs WinCE...yes, I know that the WinCE kernel is different from the Windows Desktop kernel...however this is still a bit "shifty" on Apple's part as xnu (the Mac OS X kernel) isn't what makes Mac OS X "Mac OS X"...a'ight?!

No one in their right mind went around calling OpenDarwin "Mac OS X" simply because it ran off xnu...all I'm sayin'...just a wee bit o' hyperbole of the part of Apple.

And of course Apple has never, ever been guilty of hyperbole, heheh...

So for the love of pete can we temper and scale back the expectations a bit? I'm sooo not looking forward to how "lied to" and "betrayed" the loonie arm of the Mac User camp is gonna flooding every website with...based on a bunch of stuff bored people cooked up in their heads.

The iPhone is going to be problematic, and for more than a couple of people, if the wizards@apple can't come up with some REAL NICE SPIN about why NOT having MMS/Picture messaging is somehow...a...benefit...on a phone...with a camera...

...and why NOT having a chat client on a phone...with a revolutionary (and it truly is; I read the patent...it is very much more advanced that i think the punditry realizes; its kinda like "software ESP" in the way it was designed to work...good, good stuff) touchscreen with an onscreen keyboard...as well as a lot of other ticky-tack stuff that seems to not be there...

Then they will be handed their asses in the press...simply because expectations are at "Ludicrous Speed"...and "reinventing the phone" (oh GOD...how did that even make the final cut? Re-invigorating...re-imagining...but re-inventing?! Jeeeezzzz..."over the top and outta control" as my wife would say.) put them right in the crosshairs. That was just...ugh!

Yes, a "rich email client" is hella nice, but it won't really help me that much if I want to send a picture of some crazy thing I've seen right now to someone else with a phone that's not sitting at a computer without jumping thru some hoops (if the hoops are even there to jump thru...we'll see how "baby" or not these iPhone apps are soon enough...); its a "3 steps forward, two steps back" scenario.

And people "hoping" and "guessing" that Safari will somehow come to the rescue...cross your fingers. I know I run the latest webkit nightlies...its up in the air with the "AJAX/Web 2.0"-ness of it all. Much better than the release builds, but Safari is known to be deficient in this regard so many of the more wiz-bangy stuff just blocks it as soon as the browser says its Safari/WebKit based.

Lets all just try to be realistic and curb some enthusiasm...'kay? You're really starting to get...scary

 

[thequicksilver]

I don't care what anyone else says, the lack of MMS is truly bizarre, almost bordering on the moronic.

I don't know the US market, but were it missing when it comes to the UK (where I am) then it's a real mark against it. Maybe there are workarounds involving email etc, but it's going to make things more difficult both for people sending and receiving MMS messages. That alone is a bad thing.

 

[kcroy]

Well, to be exact, Jobs misled us during the Keynote. Actually having MMS after putting in the Employee manual would be downright lying. Granted the manual isn't intended for the public, all the same...it's still a lie! Why need to deceive the "employees."

Edit I just noticed that the TMobile Sidekick, a gear targeted towards 'teen and tweens' doesn't even have MMS capability. The Sidekick Wiki does however, show that email picture messaging can work too!

My understanding of the conception and construction of the iPhone is that is has been down a long, long road of misconception. I remember reading about how different deptartments at Apple didn't know what they were working on, Cingular being given several iPhone cases and prototypes, only a handful, if even that, of people knowing about the project.

Disinformation, Misinformation, to protect from corporate espionage, but not lying.

I would only guess that the manual has gone through several drafts and revisions too. (I'm not challenging the manual's authenticity, however, I'm not completely sold on it either. I know it's for selling the phone, but it just doesn't read or look like Apple. Hard to believe Apple wouldn't have a bigger hand in that too.)

Why do it? Because no one can keep a secret. This may well be Steve Jobs summit. Could he possibly top this? (I sure hope so, but time keeps on ticking, ticking....nah, I'm sure he has more.)

 

[kcroy]

...because I'd go berserk?"

Ok. Look.

People...please cut it out with the "but apple may add some great fantastical thing to the iPhone with their "maaagical paaaawers" talk...it makes you seem desperate...or gullible...or just damned crazy.
Lets all just try to be realistic and curb some enthusiasm...'kay? You're really starting to get...scary

When you call me crazy you remind me of my psychiatrist!

Thank you for your attempt to keep us all grounded, but this is a rumors board and it is a lot of fun to speculate. Sort of like buying a lottery ticket and speculating what you would do with the millions before they announce the numbers and they're not yours.

I am sure the iPhone will leave few disappointed, and I am sure this is much more to be announced. I think you would be CRAZY to believe there isn't more to be announced. That's just not Job's style.

I say keep the fun speculations flying. I love reading people's ideas.

 

[sishaw]

Hopefully not crazy...?!

I just remember it being a bit odd that he commented how he had to be careful which way he turned it. Kinda made it seem like it was rather fragile, like something was going to fall out if he turned it the other way. Given that he had probably been using it for more than 5 minutes at that point, you'd think this kind of comment wouldn't be necessary, as if you happened to turn it the wrong way, you'd just turn it the other way, no big deal. Unless....

No, it's just that the switch from portrait to landscape mode works if you turn it in one direction and not the other...this has been mentioned.

 

[vmarks]

SMS and MMS are both broken forms of email.

They cost more than email.

They only work to other phone numbers, and are priced differently depending on the recipient's address.

They are limited in the amount of text and picture size and picture type that can be sent.

Email has none of these broken traits.

This is called, pushing towards the future. In a few years no one will miss SMS and MMS. They'll be in the trash bin of history.