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MMS Sucks for sending pics

Everyone is all up in arms about the no mms. MMS sucks for sending anything larger than a meg. plus if you are sending pics at full rez from the 2 megpixel camera on the phone you are going to have to use email for that. i personlly hate mms for sending pics and video :apple:
 
I don't care what anyone else says, the lack of MMS is truly bizarre, almost bordering on the moronic.

I don't know the US market, but were it missing when it comes to the UK (where I am) then it's a real mark against it. Maybe there are workarounds involving email etc, but it's going to make things more difficult both for people sending and receiving MMS messages. That alone is a bad thing.

Have to agree 100% with this. I'm also in the UK and picture messaging is a very common thing amongst me and my friends.

So to receive a picture message on the iPhone you're going to have to get the sender to send it to your email address instead of your phone number. But to send a picture out is through email only??? Weird.
 
Everyone is all up in arms about the no mms. MMS sucks for sending anything larger than a meg. plus if you are sending pics at full rez from the 2 megpixel camera on the phone you are going to have to use email for that. i personlly hate mms for sending pics and video :apple:

MMS is a must for any camera phone. It's all about snapping something imprompt and unexpected while out and about, and then allowing all your friends to almost instantly see what you've just seen no matter where you, or your friends, are (as long as they got their phones on them).

In the UK MMS pics of 640 x 480 can be sent to each other by the networks.
 
SMS and MMS are both broken forms of email.

They cost more than email.

They only work to other phone numbers, and are priced differently depending on the recipient's address.

They are limited in the amount of text and picture size and picture type that can be sent.

Email has none of these broken traits.

This is called, pushing towards the future. In a few years no one will miss SMS and MMS. They'll be in the trash bin of history.

This is just pro-iPhone spin. MMS is something people currently expect. Also, the iPhone is known to have SMS, so this argument doesn't hold water.

Now, Apple does have a history of maintaining confidentiality by spreading misinformation. I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be some way to send a picture you take to another phone. If there really isn't, it's a huge omission and one that will not sit well with a lot of people.

We will know on the 29th!
 
Have to agree 100% with this. I'm also in the UK and picture messaging is a very common thing amongst me and my friends.

So to receive a picture message on the iPhone you're going to have to get the sender to send it to your email address instead of your phone number. But to send a picture out is through email only??? Weird.

I can imagine this being a pain for some people. All of my immediate family and most of my close friends are buying an iPhone, so we can just email away. Hopefully the mail program will have the same resizing feature as the full email program. This way, you can just email the pic, resize on the fly, and send it to their number@teleflip.com. You do not even have to know their carrier if you use the teleflip.com addy.
 
The only reasons I can think of, are either:

- MMS isn't used much in the US, whereas it will be rolled into whatever iPhone variant ships in Europe and Asia.

or

- Apple dropped MMS so that people will use email more. Apple (and even more so, AT&T) want people to use the data functionality of the iPhone. As a phone, it's ok, but nothing that special. As a portable platform with a permanent internet connection, it's much, much more interesting.
 
The only reasons I can think of, are either:

- Apple dropped MMS so that people will use email more. Apple (and even more so, AT&T) want people to use the data functionality of the iPhone. As a phone, it's ok, but nothing that special. As a portable platform with a permanent internet connection, it's much, much more interesting.

I don't think that this would be an AT&T decision. It costs me approx 0.35 GBP to send an MMS and think of the revenue if each AT&T customer sent one MMS a day - on top of the data functionality.
 
Have to agree 100% with this. I'm also in the UK and picture messaging is a very common thing amongst me and my friends.

So to receive a picture message on the iPhone you're going to have to get the sender to send it to your email address instead of your phone number. But to send a picture out is through email only??? Weird.

You can probably still send the picture to their phones, you just have to use the mail function instead of the text message function. It shouldn't be too hard.

Apple will probably have a little menu that pops up after you take a picture that says, "mail this picture to a contact" or whatever.
 
This is just pro-Apple spin. (SCSI, 1.44mb floppy drives, 9-pin serial ports) is something people currently expect. Also, the computers are known to have optical drives, so this argument doesn't hold water.

MMS and SMS are legacy. They're ancient, and not the way forward. That SMS exists on the iPhone is a way bring iChat to the phone while making the AOL/AIM gateway do the work rather than the client.

In 1998 we got an iMac that had no SCSI and no serial ports. Compaq followed suit by ditching serial as well. Now it's hard to find a modern machine that has serial.

Apple is driving the phone service providers and the handset providers forward, just as they dragged the computer manufacturers forward. It hasn't been wholly successful (most PCs don't come with firewire) but it's what Apple does, whether it's visual voicemail, or ditching the old and broken limited MMS system for something more powerful.

It just means that you'll have to wait for Moto/Nokia/LG/etc. to catch up and join the future.
 
MMS and SMS are legacy. They're ancient, and not the way forward. That SMS exists on the iPhone is a way bring iChat to the phone while making the AOL/AIM gateway do the work rather than the client.

In 1998 we got an iMac that had no SCSI and no serial ports. Compaq followed suit by ditching serial as well. Now it's hard to find a modern machine that has serial.

Apple is driving the phone service providers and the handset providers forward, just as they dragged the computer manufacturers forward. It hasn't been wholly successful (most PCs don't come with firewire) but it's what Apple does, whether it's visual voicemail, or ditching the old and broken limited MMS system for something more powerful.

It just means that you'll have to wait for Moto/Nokia/LG/etc. to catch up and join the future.

:rolleyes:
 
MMS and SMS are legacy. They're ancient, and not the way forward. That SMS exists on the iPhone is a way bring iChat to the phone while making the AOL/AIM gateway do the work rather than the client.

You got a point there. MMS was "cool" around the year 2000. Wow, you can send messages with 1000 characters (which is real pain on most phones) and attach a 80x80 pixel picture... great. Oh yea, it costs way more than SMS and often gets lost on the way...

It's basically the small version of e-mail. Why not use normal e-mail instead?

Seriously, I thought MMS was dead a few years ago already...
 
You got a point there. MMS was "cool" around the year 2000. Wow, you can send messages with 1000 characters (which is real pain on most phones) and attach a 80x80 pixel picture... great. Oh yea, it costs way more than SMS and often gets lost on the way...

It's basically the small version of e-mail. Why not use normal e-mail instead?

Seriously, I thought MMS was dead a few years ago already...

Well, Apple got Cingular/AT&T to change their network for visual voicemail... so what if Apple made a successor to MMS? (Perhaps one that is backwards-compatible, to some extent, with MMS)
 
Regarding the lack of GPS; it may not have an integrated GPS receiver but it does have bluetooth. It may still be able to receive data from a bluetooth GPS receiver.
 
You got a point there. MMS was "cool" around the year 2000. Wow, you can send messages with 1000 characters (which is real pain on most phones) and attach a 80x80 pixel picture... great. Oh yea, it costs way more than SMS and often gets lost on the way...

It's basically the small version of e-mail. Why not use normal e-mail instead?

Seriously, I thought MMS was dead a few years ago already...

Amen brotha', preach it.
 
MMS and SMS are legacy. They're ancient, and not the way forward. That SMS exists on the iPhone is a way bring iChat to the phone while making the AOL/AIM gateway do the work rather than the client.



In 1998 we got an iMac that had no SCSI and no serial ports. Compaq followed suit by ditching serial as well. Now it's hard to find a modern machine that has serial.

Apple is driving the phone service providers and the handset providers forward, just as they dragged the computer manufacturers forward. It hasn't been wholly successful (most PCs don't come with firewire) but it's what Apple does, whether it's visual voicemail, or ditching the old and broken limited MMS system for something more powerful.

It just means that you'll have to wait for Moto/Nokia/LG/etc. to catch up and join the future.

There's a huge difference between dropping a legacy device that is being replaced and simply leaving out functionality without replacing it. When Apple dropped the floppy, there were other storage options. Then Apple cut back on Firewire, there was already a trend to USB 2. Leaving out MMS (unless it is, in fact, replaced with something better) is leaving out an actual normal function--like putting out a word processor and leaving out cut and paste. Or leaving out the floppy if the only other method of storage were old magnetic tapes rather than the plethora of solutions (CD, USB flash, .mac) that we actually have.

It doesn't have to be specifically the MMS protocol, and I'm all for Apple dropping the old protocols in favor of something new and better, but it seems to me that if there's no way to easily send a picture to another phone, it's a glaring omission. If Apple cuts out MMS, there still should be an efficient way to send pictures to another phone. If it's a mini form of iChat AV, great, yay, that would be fantastic. People are going to want it. Sign me up! (but why would you need SMS?) If there's just...nothing, I have to consider keeping my current phone and separate iPod.

Now, having said that, if enough people had smartphones and routinely picked up their email that way, I agree that your argument would be better--and Apple would have bagged SMS as well. And that may be the trend in the next decade or so, but right now smartphones in the US have very small market penetration. Also, even with email on a smartphone (and I've owned 2, the Treo and t-mobile SDA) it's much easier, faster, and more fun to message directly.

I strongly suspect Apple knows this, and will give us some way to perform this function with the iPhone, but not MMS (if the manual is correct). We'll see.

We will just have to wait until the 29th.
 
If i had to say right now, i bet Apple employees that worked on / with the phone are laughing their ass of right now.


Of course i could be completely wrong.


But honestly. Why would they bother putting:

"Keep in mind that there might be addition iPhone features that are announced at iPhone's launch as well as additional information about the features in this guide. We'll make sure to keep you updated".
 
All the stuff you can't do including messenger nessaging and:
Google Maps (scan 1, scan 2)

- iPhone will not support the TeleNav solutions currently offered by other AT&T devices
- GPS is not part of the iPhone feature set.

And this phone is revolutionary?
Nothign revolutionary about it so far.
 
mms debate...

Read Apple's description of Photocasting:

"Introducing Photocasting. Now it's easy to share your photos with friends and family thousands of miles away. At full resolution. Automatically."

This seems like a much more appealing proposition than prefixing phone numbers to email addreses, or using IM etc to get around the weaknesses of no MMS.

The simple idea that you can share your photos with everyone is what Flickr and Facebook do well. For 'private' messages, you could set photo privilages to somehow only show photos to individuals or groups. This approach would take the photo experience into the browser, or even through RSS in the email client, allowing integration with the 'iphoto' app that we will probably see. i.e. you will be able to easily add photos to your photo collection, and sync back to the mac etc.

I'm typing quickly as I'm supposed to be working, so I'm sure there are many more benefits to this type of approach...?

I agree MMS, without a more 'rapid share' alternative, is a must have feature. I haven't read the thread fully, so forgive me if I copied the idea, but I think this concept is a real alternative to MMS that is attractive to even MMS users.

Also, in terms of 'disrupting' the market, this could create another 'podcast' style phenomemon.
 
All the stuff you can't do including messenger nessaging and:


And this phone is revolutionary?
Nothign revolutionary about it so far.

Its not "revolutionary" based on what you *can't* do...that's a measure of features :)

Its what and how it does what it does that does it.
 
Quoting vmarks quoting me:

Originally Posted by sishaw View Post
This is just pro-Apple spin. (SCSI, 1.44mb floppy drives, 9-pin serial ports) is something people currently expect. Also, the computers are known to have optical drives, so this argument doesn't hold water.

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Just so people know, vmarks is deliberately misquoting me to make a rhetorical (albeit not logical) point.
 
Will the iPhone have an alarm clock?

I'm surprised they didn't forget to add the phone calling feature to this "revolutionary" phone.
Making phone calls is so 1999.
Not having MMS and messenger messaging is APple's typical way of telling YOU how to run your life.
 
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