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Ha ha this is too easy to debunk. Safari can't even render the full CSS standard. Firefox and IE can't either, but the newest version of Opera does the best and I believe the current beta build can fully render all CSS standards. So which browsers have better standards compatibility?

Safari, Opera and Mozilla all do well on CSS. Opera leads Safari in paged based media and aural/speech media. Safari should really support these better, but it doesn't really relate to the iPhone.

As far as rendering speed goes I don't buy Apples claims.

Well Apple just used highly respected third-party benchmarks

On top of this I work with more than 3 different operating systems on almost a daily basis. Which two browsers can be found on all OSes? Firefox and Opera.

And now Safari/WebKit.

What about blocking ads? What about 3rd party plug-ins? Firefox supports all of these, and Safari doesn't.

Extensions are basically a Firefox creation . They're nice and I'd love to see them on Safrari. But Safari often already does what these extensions add (e.g., spellcheck). Again, even if Safari already had FireFox like extensions, we wouldn't be running them on iPhone.
 
First impressions

I thought I would just stop by a store to see what the crowd looked like. Line was not bad and ended up walking out $600 poorer. My first impressions mirror everyone elses. It is an incredible little device and my activation took just a few minutes. I'm in heaven now that my contacts and calendar sync with ease. And the typing is not bad at all. But does anyone know if there is a way to highlight text so you can delete more than one letter at a time.

I typed this from the phone while listening to a song. And took a call. Are you fricking kidding me.
 
Yeah, I love it is all i can say.

2 things for me.

I need spam filters that match my mail accounts. period. I can't be deleting 300 emails a day from it.

I also want manual management of songs and videos instead of only being able to sync playlists.
 
I do think it needs a file manager though, my current phone has one and it's invaluable. I'm assuming that the iPhone is running Finder (as it's OSX) so it just needs a front-end.

Finder basically is the front-end. Finder is an independent application that runs on OS X. It's mostly a GUI that presents the file-system objects and allows you to manipulate them with keyboard and mouse events. Based on comments from Jobs, I doubt we'd ever see a full-fledged Finder on the iPhone. Some other sort of file browser might be possible. Photos and iTunes are already specialized file browsers. A more generic one would also be welcomed.

VLC, Adium and Skype would be nice...
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Skype would be nice, but it doesn't work with the current state of the cell phone industry (so it might be hackable, but Apple's not going to bring their ease-of-use to making it happen). Right now AT&T supplements their revenues through charging for voice minutes and text messages. Skype and iChat would both eliminate those revenue sources.

EDIT: Speaking of VLC... It can alter the aspect ratio so that any content can fit a screen. Why can't the iPhone do this with movies instead of simply zooming in and cutting off the edges of content?

Correction: VLC can distort the aspect ratio of a video to fit the image to the screen. I don't understand why anyone likes that?
 
i have a question for the iphone owners: On my p910i i can set alarmclocks, 3 off them to go off daily weekdays and within the next 24 hours, dos the iphone have this capability aswell?
I use my phone as my alarmclock to wake me each day, so i wonderd . thanks.
 
Those of you still waiting on activation issues aren't going to like hearing this.

I finally gave in & went to bed at 1am last night - after 5 hours of waiting on my coveted AT&T "activation complete" email. Woke up this morning - now 11 hours waiting - and still no email :-(

I know some people are saying it may take 24 hours, but I was hoping that was a padded number to cover AT&T. Called AT&T twice last night - both times they were very nice, but no help. Second time they patched me through to Apple support (now looking back I realize it was just to get me off the phone & someone else on). After waiting 30+ minutes with Apple the guy told me it was an AT&T issue with porting the # and should take 6 hours (but could take 24 hours).

So, now I'm officially waiting longer on AT&T to get it activated than I stood in line to buy the thing (11 hours).
 
Hurrry!! I can't wait!!!!!!!! Where did yuo get it at?

You dunno what to do with your PB G4? Send it to me I'm looking for a PPC Mac!!! I don't care if it's dead lol.

Also, anyone think that the European iPhone will have 3G/HSDPA courtesy of Vodafone as rumours suggest? If so, I can't help but feel smug lol and feel that little bit less bitter about the US release.
 
just woke up and ran to my computer......STILL no activation email. I am on hold with ATT right now, even though I doubt it will do any good. I am beyond frustrated, although I understand the ridiculous network clog.
 
Disk Usage

Yup, seems so. Although if someone who owns one could confirm this it would be helpful. Everything I've read supports this, it definitely can't be used as a disk.

Seems Apple are being really strict with the iPhone at the moment, it's so locked down. No 3rd party apps, no file manager, no disk use...

Confirmed. Think about it... if you could do this you could modify the phone. :) I think this will be opened up when Apple settles on an SDK for the iPhone... for now though... you'll need that flash drive or External HDD
 
Folks,

Thanks for the reviews. You are all very lucky to be able to purchase and use the iPhone.

I am not in the U.S., so I am unable to get my hands on one. But I am glad that Apple hits an awesome homerun with this one.
 
And now Safari/WebKit.
Hmmm, did I miss the announcement for Safari on Solaris and Linux?


Extensions are basically a Firefox creation . They're nice and I'd love to see them on Safrari. But Safari often already does what these extensions add (e.g., spellcheck). Again, even if Safari already had FireFox like extensions, we wouldn't be running them on iPhone.

My point is Safari lacks the extensibility to make it a bigger browser than IE or Firefox.
 
Arrived at the North Canton, Ohio AT&T store at high noon and was #6 in line... by 6 pm we were probably 30-40 in number, including one other confirmed MacRumors reader! ;) I was in the first group to enter, and I gotta say, you feel like a king walking in that store under such conditions! Grabbed an 8 GB for me and a 4 GB for my wife (plus cases for each and a car charger... no Bluetooth headset at this store yet) and we made tracks for home!

I definitely feel bad reading that so many folks are having activation problems here, but mine was an absolute breeze on both iPhones. Already at AT&T customer. I had one strange hitch, I activated my 8 GB first and the phone lit up saying it was activated but iTunes kept showing that it was being activated... after 5 mins. I just pulled the phone out of the dock and iTunes went back to normal and the phone worked. Immediately made a call to the wife (who was out picking up some dinner) and the reception was awesome compared to my former Motorola SLVR (which I can't wait to smash with a hammer, LOL). We live in a brick triplex and the SLVR would often not get reception, and when it did it sounded like I was speaking in a hornet's nest from all the electrical interference. The iPhone was clear as a bell and I even walked around the entire apartment (including the kitchen, which is a notorious cell "dead zone") and the call never cut out or dropped once. Yay!

After setting up to sync a bunch of stuff while eating dinner, I began to play! I have to say, at first there was a weird disappointment/frustration in my head... maybe it was heat stroke from waiting 6 hours in line or the inevitable "coming down" after a long, 6-month wait for this sucker, I dunno. All of the websites seemed so small in Safari and zooming & panning felt awkward... but this feeling passed quickly once I got the hang of the double-tap and then delight set in as I realized that pretty much all of my "gotta have" websites were working great (including my bank, Chase.com and Netflix of course!). The American Express site had an odd glitch... my business card displays data just fine, but my personal One card seems to use Flash and therefore it doesn't. How odd.

EDGE felt like molasses to me at first, but the more I used it, oddly it seemed to speed up! I think it will be serviceable and certainly it's much faster than the cruddy GPRS I was getting on my SLVR (not to mention the much-better Internet experience).

Someone mentioned their contact pix didn't sync from Address Book, but mine were all OK. There seems to be a glitch with iTunes, the "Put new events created on this iPhone into the calendar:" option kept getting stuck on both mine and my wife's; no matter what you select, it stays on the last one. As soon as I did a manual selection and deselected the last one (which I didn't need anyway because it was synced to Delicious Library), all worked great. My wife had 3 e-mail accounts to be synced but I only chose 2 of them and for some reason, they all 3 synced. :confused:

I had a feature film that had been ripped in the latest Handbrake with 5.1 surround audio; the picture played just fine on the iPhone but there's no audio (guess that's to be expected).

Very happy to see simple little features like world time, stopwatch and timer under the Clock mode. Now if they could just do something about custom ringtones...

But all in all, this puppy was well worth the 6 months of waiting and I think it will change my life for the better in the days, weeks & months to come. Like most of you, I'm an Internet junkie and this is the first phone that I think will actually be useful for getting out of the house and doing something but still staying connected. :)

JRB
 
Sorry, I can't let that one drop. In what regard is Safari second rate compared to Firefox, or Opera ? Rendering speed ? Nope - Safari beats both of them. Standards compatibility ? Nope - Safari is the most standards compliant browser out there.

I agree with your sentiments about ichat though - don't forget that Apple is free to add features to the iPhone with software updates though. Look at the Apple TV - I can now watch YouTube videos and stream photos on mine, neither of which I could do when I first bought it.

Further discussing this... While I don't find either second rate as from a usability they both support HTML 4.01 for the most part. Safari and I believe Konqueror are the only browsers that fully support it BTW. But this is slightly off topic.

The Safari browser is definitely NOT a second rate browser though and the original claims it is sound biased. As a web designer I like designing for both. Although Safari does have less control over some aspects of web pages it is in the interest of looks not because it is limited. If anything the second rate browser is IE because it doesn't render correct HTMl 4.01 code yet. But then 90%+ use it so is generally accepted. :(

The safari web browser is great on the iPhone. No complaints here! :)
 
i have a question for the iphone owners: On my p910i i can set alarmclocks, 3 off them to go off daily weekdays and within the next 24 hours, dos the iphone have this capability aswell?
I use my phone as my alarmclock to wake me each day, so i wonderd . thanks.

Yes, it does have multiple alarms that can be set based on days. I already set my weekday/weekend alarms, you just select the days the alarm is active for; whats really cool is that it automatically saw that I selected m-f for one, so it labelled it "weekdays" and when the other was sat-sun, it labelled it "weekends".

Also, I don't know if anyone else has gotten this feedback but everyone I spoke to on the phone last night raved they could hear me better than they could on my treo.
 
i have a question for the iphone owners: On my p910i i can set alarmclocks, 3 off them to go off daily weekdays and within the next 24 hours, dos the iphone have this capability aswell?
I use my phone as my alarmclock to wake me each day, so i wonderd . thanks.

Yup. You can set alarms as well. I got mine from the Keystone Apple store. It will leave you speechless after 5 minutes of operation.

It automatically picked up a wi-fi hotspot:D

Way to go :apple: !!
 
Correction: VLC can distort the aspect ratio of a video to fit the image to the screen. I don't understand why anyone likes that?

Because the content then fills up the screen, making the best use of available screen space. Look at the iPhone, you either have the option of seeing it zoomed (cutting off the edges of the movie) or unzoomed which means bars on the top and bottom with a smaller viewing area (which is BAD on a small screen). Both options are unacceptable in my eyes and much worse than "distorting" the image to fill the screen properly. The iPhone has a very nice screen, movies should make use of it.

EDIT: How're you guys finding the battery? It's gonna be hit pretty hard with all the playing, is it holding up?
 
Ha ha this is too easy to debunk. Safari can't even render the full CSS standard. Firefox and IE can't either, but the newest version of Opera does the best and I believe the current beta build can fully render all CSS standards. So which browsers have better standards compatibility? As far as rendering speed goes I don't buy Apples claims. On top of this I work with more than 3 different operating systems on almost a daily basis. Which two browsers can be found on all OSes? Firefox and Opera.

What about blocking ads? What about 3rd party plug-ins? Firefox supports all of these, and Safari doesn't.

I realize this stuff (iChat, maybe finder, etc) with come with a software update, but look how long it took to give the Youtube update to AppleTV owners! There was already a community hack that worked out there.

Dude are you serious! :mad: Full CSS standard? I couldn't let this go... they all render full CSS. You're thinking of HTML 4.01 and Safari and Konqueror (its Linux cousin) do render the full standard. The Acid2 test. They were the first to do so. The test is here. If you don't use Safari (and as I infer from your statement never have) don't bash it. Its on par with Firefox IMHO.

http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html

OPERA! Opera! While I love some of its features (mobil view anyone) it doesn't come close to rendering fully. And I design web sites... sorry but even as a mac fan you design for IE and if your CSS is good the rest fall in line. It sucks but its the result when IE has 90+% market share.

My personal viewpoint is Firefox is king because it is platform agnostic. Period. But then I've used them all. And if your a Linux fanboi don't forget Safari and Konqueror both have their roots there... the only reason Safari isn't there is because Konqueror was developed from the same Open Source code so why repeat that... maybe in the future there'll be a full version. As for speed, speed is irrelevant on high speed connections. For those still on dial up my apologies :( but I'm just saying.

As for 3rd party apps. Firefox is incredibly slow with a lot of 3rd party apps. (and buggy since version 2.0 on any platform)

Until there is an SDK there will be no disk access.
 
Hmmm, did I miss the announcement for Safari on Solaris and Linux?

This has gone off-topic, but since the whole post is FUD, I can't let it stand. Apparently, you did miss that WebKit / KHTML share the same origins and are even actively merging as we speak and that Konqueror runs on Solaris and Linux. WebKit also is the basis for a Symian based browser, so perhaps you missed that too.

My point is Safari lacks the extensibility to make it a bigger browser than IE or Firefox.

Well then you're point was mistaken (I accept your apology). As I already said, extensions are a specific creation of Firefox. IE has nothing to do with Browser extensions. So if that was your point, you're wrong again. But we're waaaaayyy off topic here.
 
The iPhone is cool man, so it runs at 0 degrees c. :p

I'm sure Apple will come out with lots of software updates for it, they may even eventually open it up for third party applications. The way the main menu is set up clearly shows they intend for there to be more apps.

I do think it needs a file manager though, my current phone has one and it's invaluable. I'm assuming that the iPhone is running Finder (as it's OSX) so it just needs a front-end.

VLC, Adium and Skype would be nice...

EDIT: Speaking of VLC... It can alter the aspect ratio so that any content can fit a screen. Why can't the iPhone do this with movies instead of simply zooming in and cutting off the edges of content?

My guess is this is by design similar to how if you don't have a high def TV it doesn't shrink the larger picture to fit your TV. I personally would hate this. And VLC letterboxes just like iTunes so this aspect thing is not something I am familiar with using in VLC. This iphone does it right with video IMHO.
 
i have a question for the iphone owners: On my p910i i can set alarmclocks, 3 off them to go off daily weekdays and within the next 24 hours, dos the iphone have this capability aswell?
I use my phone as my alarmclock to wake me each day, so i wonderd . thanks.

yes. you set up each alarm individually and can set it's repeats. You just check the days you want it to repeat on. :)
 
I'm pretty happy with mine, the price I wish was lower (don't we all)


There was no wait at my Apple store In DC/VA...5 mins MAX I litterly got there at 630. Didnt think I'd get one, and the line was moving so fast

they probably had a good 1000 iPhones

my biggest complant of all is no iChat

other than that, I'm stoked

No problems, Sync'd fine, no issues with AT&T.
 
My guess is this is by design similar to how if you don't have a high def TV it doesn't shrink the larger picture to fit your TV. I personally would hate this. And VLC letterboxes just like iTunes so this aspect thing is not something I am familiar with using in VLC. This iphone does it right with video IMHO.

In VLC go to the "video" drop down menu and chose "aspect ratio". If you're on a laptop you have a 16:10 screen, and from this menu you can change any video to match this aspect ratio so it fills the screen (by selecting 16:10). On a device with a small screen wasting video space is not ideal, and neither is chopping off the edges to do a crude zoom. Filling the available screen with video just seems like a no-brainer to me, why do you guys "hate" this?
 
did anyone else *not* get a cleaning cloth or am i just crazy?

it either fell out of the box in my car and i can't find it or i didn't get one...i'm going for the latter since i'm usually careful about these things.
 
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