iPhone XS Max iPhone Foldable

[cardfan]

Also, I'm not sure this is the killer feature just as I think Apple is wasting their time with creating media streaming content. Tablets are like 200-300 dollar devices these days. I'd like to see more Mac/iOS features instead. USB C. More ecosystem benefits. Software, not services.

Heck, if you're going to do a 2 in 1 device, then ios/mac is the first device I'd consider making. That's something Samsung can't do period.

 

[skillwill]

The major difference is that Samsung is just doing this for the sake of technology. Apple only runs with it when it can actually make a product better, when there's a point in it, when they've found a way to make it useful and integrate it into the design.

The Samsung Fold does non of that. If you go back to the iPad launch, you'll remember Jobs said, basically, in order for this to work we need a product that does some things better than a smartphone and some better than a laptop. The Fold does nothing better. It's a worse smartphone experience, combined with a worse tablet experience. There is, thus, no point in it. And "being first to market" shouldn't be something they care about, you want to be the best.

If the iPhone Fold is ever released, it will be because Apple HAS found a way to make both experiences better as one product.

 

[dcpmark]

The major difference is that Samsung is just doing this for the sake of technology. Apple only runs with it when it can actually make a product better, when there's a point in it, when they've found a way to make it useful and integrate it into the design.

The Samsung Fold does non of that. If you go back to the iPad launch, you'll remember Jobs said, basically, in order for this to work we need a product that does some things better than a smartphone and some better than a laptop. The Fold does nothing better. It's a worse smartphone experience, combined with a worse tablet experience. There is, thus, no point in it. And "being first to market" shouldn't be something they care about, you want to be the best.

If the iPhone Fold is ever released, it will be because Apple HAS found a way to make both experiences better as one product.

Jobs is long gone, and it’s been a while since Apple has done anything Jobs-esque.

 

[StellarVixen]

Ewww...moving parts...

I do not want something like that right now, even if Apple released today.

But I will be watching closely, maybe this will be awesome in like 2 years.

 

[44267547]

Also if you really think a consumer Micro-led smartphone would get released before a foldable phone you really don't know much about the display market.

Genuinely curious, since you appear to have more knowledge on the display market, Can you prove otherwise that micro-led won’t release before a foldable iPhone? We know Samsung released their version of a foldable, But you have no evidence supporting that Apple will release a foldable iPhone at all, when we do know that micro LED is certainly in the works, especially when Apple purchased Luxeview back in 2014, a company who develops micro led panels and it’s been rumored ample times that Micro-LED is likely the next display option for the Apple Watch and iPhone eventually.

IMicro-led is years away for consumers on the tv-market let alone they could create a smartphone

I wouldn’t use the comparison for TV to a smart phone for micro-led, it would be a lot less manufacturing scaling to produce a micro-led panel for a smart phone than it would be for a 65 inch TV for example.
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Ewww...moving parts...

I do not want something like that right now, even if Apple released today.

I agree, the moving parts is my main concern with a foldable phone. When something is constantly opened and closed, I’m curious with the terms of durability and reliability over the course of time with usage. Especially with a smart phone, and how often it is used on a daily basis.

 

[Moonjumper]

I did, and apple uses OLED, so that's samsung only and Samsung isn't going to license/sell the technology quite yet

LG, BOE, and others also produce mobile OLED screens. Motorola, LG, Xiaomi, Huawei, and Royole have either shown prototype folding phones, or at the very least are rumoured to be working on them. Samsung are not the only option.

I like the idea of something pocketable, but with a large screen. I hope the concept progresses well, but I think it will be a while before it is up to the standards Apple would want from the technology.

 

[AustinIllini]

Why does it have to be better? Can’t it simply meet both my iPhone and tablet needs? Right now I carry both an SE and a Mini wherever I go because no iPhone is big enough to consume content for me, and no current iPhone is small enough for me to use as merely a phone/texting device. If this device simply replaces my existing needs, that’s good enough for me.

You are selling yourself a fantasy. By getting the fold, you're downgrading both.

 

[rugmankc]

Not for me. One more thing to break----

 

[Newtons Apple]

I would get a foldable phone.
But the technology would have to be much much much more mature.
- total thickness when folded should be about what the iPhone XR is
- Folded size about what the iPhone 4 was
- Battery life like the XR
- price around $750
- very robust, high longevity of display

So I guess in 5-10 years.

I am betting it will be thicker, about twice the thickness of an Apple phone.

 

[dcpmark]

You are selling yourself a fantasy. By getting the fold, you're downgrading both.

Well, we are all just speculating right now how it would actually perform....and everyone’s needs are different. I don’t know if it can replace my needs for my 2 devices, and you don’t have the slightest clue if it’s downgrading anything for me. If I was a Max/iPad Pro combo user, I would surmise this would be significant downgrade to both devices. As an SE/Mini lover.....not so sure.

 

[riker1384]

No one can explain to me, outside of being two devices in one, what a foldable phone does better than a phone or a tablet.

It's a bad tablet and a worse smartphone.

It's better than a tablet because it fits in your pocket so you can take it everywhere. This thing in your hand is better than an iPad that you left at home.

 

[BritishApple]

So Apple is working on this?

I think the OP is a little miffed you don’t like his pretty concept GIF.

You’re of course 100% correct, this is Samsung tech and it’s very much in its infancy, meaning they won’t be sharing it with anyone, and it’ll be patented like hell.
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You are selling yourself a fantasy. By getting the fold, you're downgrading both.

Added to the fact that Android tablets have remained stuck in a rut and are woefully inferior and subpar compared to even the cheapest model of iPad on offer right now.

 

[ZEEN0j]

So we are back to plastic screens? Yuck

 

[skillwill]

Jobs is long gone, and it’s been a while since Apple has done anything Jobs-esque.

The point wasn't really about Jobs, of course Apple has changed, but this philosophy generally remains the same.

 

[dcpmark]

The point wasn't really about Jobs, of course Apple has changed, but this philosophy generally remains the same.

Agree to disagree, and this comes from one of the biggest Apple fanboy ever. Apple has been relegated to playing catchup instead of innovating, and there is zero evidence that says this won’t continue, IMHO.

 

[ka-spot]

it's 2032. apple releases new technology. it's the first foldable phone ever! (period)





it's........ the....... f*Phone!

 

[Tsuchiya]

Hypothetically speaking...Take the iPhone X. Fold it in half horizontally.

Give me that.

Protected internal screen, small device in your pocket, ability to have a flip phone again.

2k though? OK, so halve that too.

 

[Achillias]

Genuinely curious, since you appear to have more knowledge on the display market, Can you prove otherwise that micro-led won’t release before a foldable iPhone? We know Samsung released their version of a foldable, But you have no evidence supporting that Apple will release a foldable iPhone at all, when we do know that micro LED is certainly in the works, especially when Apple purchased Luxeview back in 2014, a company who develops micro led panels and it’s been rumored ample times that Micro-LED is likely the next display option for the Apple Watch and iPhone eventually.

You like to read selectively it seems. I've just showed you a link with a patent file from Apple. That's a fact instead of your no evidence claim where you really think that a micro-led smartphone is going to get released before a foldable one. That's what's you call no evidence without any kind of facts that's backs those assumptions.

I wouldn’t use the comparison for TV to a smart phone for micro-led, it would be a lot less manufacturing scaling to produce a micro-led panel for a smart phone than it would be for a 65 inch TV for example

The problem with micro-led's is that they are having a hard time getting those pixels small enough to make it useable at smaller sizes than the 75 inch TV Samsung has showed on CES. They can't get it lower than that currently without having a decent resolution. Why do you think there is no 65, 55, 49inch line-up. Because they can't produce it. So another assumption of you that they are going to release a micro-led smartphone display before a foldable one is just foolish. The tech to create a foldable screen is currently getting developed by some big smartphone companies. Micro-led on the other hand haves some serious issues that still are not dissolved.

 

[trillionaire]

What do you guys think of this concept. And would you pay atleast $2000 for it knowing Apple price structure if they came up with something similar.

This is basically just a matter of time. Hopefully it will look like that. Samsung will continue to improve theirs and at one point it will probably resemble that. Right now, these products are in their infancy but they will definitely be developed and improved. I think it's a step in a good direction and hope to see more (better) in the future.

They should also get cheaper as technology progresses.

 

[44267547]

You like to read selectively it seems. I've just showed you a link with a patent file from Apple..

You like to read selectively it seems. I've just showed you a link with a patent file from Apple.

Can you indicate in the post where I explicitly denied that Apple had a patent? I acknowledged they do have a patent, which I’m not sure why you’re arguing over something I clearly mentioned they very well may have a patent, but it doesn’t mean it’s a ‘conclusive finding’ that a foldable iPhone will happen. Those are two things are not mutually exclusive that you seem to be conflating.

Hence:

FYI, just because Apple has a patent/blueprint, doesn’t mean that product will ever come to fruition. Apple has a patents for lots of things, products and concepts that have never debuted on the market before. A patent means a ‘general idea’ for the concept of a product has _not_ been Concluded or approved.

No evidence claim that micro-led smartphone is going to get released before a foldable one.

I honestly think you’re arguing for rehashing points already addressed, Micro LED is indefinitely a future display, and as I mentioned, they (Apple) purchased a company in 2014 that soley develops micro LED panels. But your past argument is not true, micro LED would be easier to manufacture on a mass level for a smaller displays then it would be for a 65” TV, that’s why there was so much constraint with OLED panels originally even when LG was the only supplier at one point. And given Apples history, I suspect the Apple Watch to be the first to see a micro LED display once the development is mature enough.

 

[Newtons Apple]

From what I understand the future in not a tablet or phone.

 

[NJHitmen]

...it doesn’t mean it’s a ‘conclusive finding’ that a foldable iPhone will happen. Those are two things are not mutually exclusive that you seem to be conflating.

Very much this. Apple seems to investigate almost every new tech you can think of (and some you’ve never heard of), and that research results in a lot of patents. But many of those patents never go anywhere. Take a look at a handful of the patents they received between 2011 & 2015 - https://www.businessinsider.com/coolest-apple-patents-from-the-past-year-2016-6. Some of these innovations did (or will) make it into production, but most did not (motorized screen protector!). I think many of their patents are merely the products of research/signs of due diligence...not an actual indication of their eventual product plans. They seem to follow the mantra: ‘patent everything you can today, and then figure out what you actually want to produce later.’ Which makes sense if you’re constantly pouring as much money into R&D as Apple does. They have to protect their IP.

That said, I imagine they’re taking foldable displays a lot more seriously than motorized screen protectors. I have no idea how these displays will be implemented across Apple’s product line, but I’d be surprised if they don’t eventually show up in some way/shape/form. And I’ll wait to see what they come up with before I’ll say whether or not I’ll buy it.

From what I understand the future in not a tablet or phone.

Do tell

 

[Achillias]

Can you indicate in the post where I explicitly denied that Apple had a patent? I acknowledged they do have a patent, which I’m not sure why you’re arguing over something I clearly mentioned they very well may have a patent, but it doesn’t mean it’s a ‘conclusive finding’ that a foldable iPhone will happen. Those are two things are not mutually exclusive that you seem to be conflating.

You're contradicting yourself. First of all having a patent makes it more plausible to consider that they are thinking a bout a foldable phone or even already started the measurements for a production line. Your assumptions on the other hand are denying the possibility of that, with assumptions that doesn't show any kind of facts. You're just saying unfounded arguments without any kind of sources.

I honestly think you’re arguing for rehashing points already addressed, Micro LED is indefinitely a future display, and as I mentioned, they (Apple) purchased a company in 2014 that soley develops micro LED panels. But your past argument is not true, micro LED would be easier to manufacture on a mass level for a smaller displays then it would be for a 65” TV, that’s why there was so much constraint with OLED panels originally even when LG was the only supplier at one point. And given Apples history, I suspect the Apple Watch to be the first to see a micro LED display once the development is mature enough.

Who is saying that micro-led isn't the future. You are just making it up, words that hasn't been said. Even if Apple bought a small company for their own gains it doesn't mean that they are capable in producing a product. Do you really think that a small company is able to do what big television companies are still not able to resolve. It doesn't mean ****. Their are more companies that Apple have bought which never produced something or something came out from it. No your past arguments are not true. With Micro-led the current problem is that the pixels (that are used) are still to big for certain screen sizes (everything below the 75 inch), hence that's why Samsung showed their first Microled screen (the wall) above the 150 inch. The second problem is that they can't produce a decent resolution on smaller yields. You do need a certain amount of pixels to get that resolution. And with the problem of the pixel size it's not possible. You're talking the same **** over again with the same unfounded assumptions.

 

[44267547]

@Achillias

I’m not going to respond to your above post, because number one, it’s full of ad hominem attacks, exhausted points already addressed and you're derailing your own thread with your, which is unfortunate, because this is a really interesting topic about a foldable iPhone. The reality is, no one denied Apple had a patent for a foldable iPhone, I simply explained a patent doesn’t necessarily mean that a foldable iPhone will be a reality for Apple, and you became overly defensive with myself and other members once we refuted your arguments. It’s called discussion, and there isn’t any reason why you can’t be cordial in your replies.

Secondly, if you’ve been following anything regarding Apple news within the last 6 to 8 months, it’s very clear that micro LED will be a future display consideration moving past OLED. The fact that Apple purchased the company back in 2014 that develops micro led, speaks volumes of where they ultimately are leading with this technology further into development, it doesn’t mean it will happen tomorrow, but it certainly has its advantages over OLED, which I have no idea why you keep arguing that it’s not a possibility, when it is.

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[iop]

I think the concept is very promising, but Samsung's implementation is too raw. Thickness is one of the issues. There's no way I would want a phone that doesn't fit in my pocket well. I currently have an iphone 6, but sometimes I miss my iphone 5 because it was more pocket-friendly. Price is somewhat an issue, but not as big since it's both a phone and a tablet, and it comes with a premium screen. I mean it needs to become cheaper of course, but for a first iteration, $2k is understandable. Having six cameras on board is just weird. 2 would be enough.