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iPhone Launched in the UK on O2 Network

Maybe O2 wants force you to fill the contract form in front of them and make sure you have a reliable bank account so they can s**k your money monthly...

By the way, my original question was 'Can you push O2 to offer PAYG or not'. But I guess the chance is zero as we see the case of AT&T. :mad:
 
So do you guys think the rumour that Apple are taking 40% of the monthly fee for UK iPhone users is true? I think it may be, and that it's a bit ridiculous that they are. It's not like they're making a loss on the hardware that they need to make up, is there any reason why they need to leech more money off us other than pure greed? I'm quite sure Apple are the main reason why the iPhone contracts are so expensive/sucky. Which annoys me.

In the end they only hurt themselves as fewer iPhones will be sold while they're innovative. By the time they're affordable to the masses the Google Phone may well be out, and other manufacturers will have had time to improve their handsets.
 
metoo6000 said:
Maybe O2 wants force you to fill the contract form in front of them and make sure you have a reliable bank account so they can s**k your money monthly...

By the way, my original question was 'Can you push O2 to offer PAYG or not'. But I guess the chance is zero as we see the case of AT&T. :mad:
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but you can get a pay as you go with at&t, you either fail the credit or put in a false social security number, not sure what will happen over here though.
 
Project said:
The deal is not made until you go to the till and say "here is £269" and they accept it. You make the offer of £269 for the iPhone, and they then choose whether they want to accept it or not. They are within their right to say I refuse to accept this offer, because you could only offer with cash. Scanning it in or the type of tender is irrelevant.
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I'm not sure this is the case. I'm reminded of the fact that if, for example, a store displays something on the shelves as being £99, but scans through at £199, they legally have to sell it to you at the display price of £99. That would imply that the 'invitation' is made by the seller at the point of display.
 
Project said:
The deal is not made until you go to the till and say "here is £269" and they accept it. You make the offer of £269 for the iPhone, and they then choose whether they want to accept it or not. They are within their right to say I refuse to accept this offer, because you could only offer with cash. Scanning it in or the type of tender is irrelevant.
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I disagree. Scanning through the register is a positive act of acceptance of the offer. The consideration (£269) need not pass at the time of making the contract, merely the agreement that it will pass.

If you walk up to the till and say "This is £269, right?", and the cashier says yes, once you say you'll take it, and the cashier rings up the sale, the deal is made - no money has passed yet, by the contract is made. When the cash changes hands is irrelevant in the making of a contract - it's the exchange of promises that makes it binding.
 
redgaz26 said:
but you can get a pay as you go with at&t, you either fail the credit or put in a false social security number, not sure what will happen over here though.
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I suspect as the iphone is being sold in the same way here as it is in the US, there will have to be a similar setup - otherwise people are going to be returning opened iPhone boxes in droves if they fail the credit check and have no other option.

The PAYG plan on AT&T wasn't publicised at all as far as I'm aware, but was offered as an option for those that failed the credit check.
 
Cloudane said:
I don't intend to... :rolleyes:

I'm not moaning, I'm just saying that MMS is a pretty basic thing to miss off. It's an opinion. If you don't like it, ignore it or go somewhere else.
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sorry if I offended you, I just think there's to much negative stuff getting posted, we are all apple fans(I hope) yes the phone is missing a few things yes the tarrifs are a little pricey but come on, a million of these things have been sold it can't be that bad?
 
TheChillPill said:
I'm not sure this is the case. I'm reminded of the fact that if, for example, a store displays something on the shelves as being £99, but scans through at £199, they legally have to sell it to you at the display price of £99. That would imply that the 'invitation' is made by the seller at the point of display.
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Generally, the display of £99 is just an invitation to treat. It doesn't constitute an offer. The shop would not have to sell it at £99.
 
I amazed by the number of negative posts on the price and tariffs. What did you guys really expect???

My last (contract) phone was the O2 Exec (HTC Universal).

It cost £279 on an 18 month contract (£600 unsubbed)
That included 200 minutes x-network and 50 SMS's
1Mb (yes MB!) data, extra was £3 per M/b

3G speeds were the same as GPRS speeds on the O2 Exec, due to the time it takes to initialise the connection, and the limit imposed by the OS (Windows Mobile) and software (IE). WiFi was a no-go as battery life would plummet dramatically even after a little use. The phone was as buggy as hell, and after 18 months neither Microsoft or HTC had fixed even half of the bugs.

The O2 tariffs might not suit everyone's needs, but they sure suit mine. There would be no point in me hacking the phone, as I've not been able to find a better tariff (for my usage) for less than £35 p/m, or a comparable phone+iPod for less than £269.
 
TheChillPill said:
I'm not sure this is the case. I'm reminded of the fact that if, for example, a store displays something on the shelves as being £99, but scans through at £199, they legally have to sell it to you at the display price of £99. That would imply that the 'invitation' is made by the seller at the point of display.
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No, the offer is made by you when you bring it to the till, but there is consumer legislation on misleading advertising which covers displays.
 
TheChillPill said:
I suspect as the iphone is being sold in the same way here as it is in the US, there will have to be a similar setup - otherwise people are going to be returning opened iPhone boxes in droves if they fail the credit check and have no other option.

The PAYG plan on AT&T wasn't publicised at all as far as I'm aware, but was offered as an option for those that failed the credit check.
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correct, they are basically asking for trouble if there is no way round a failed credit check, I'm sure they a have a plan or else you would have to get the contract at the same time as buying the phone.
if people fail the credit it's one more reason to unlock it.
 
needthephone said:
Times take on it,

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article2482178.ece

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article2481583.ece
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Despite spending £22.5 billion on the licences for 3G mobile internet connections, the bulk of their revenues – more than 90 per cent – are still drawn from calls and texts. Unlike many products, the iPhone does not work over third-generation technology. Instead, it uses Edge technology, with speeds somewhere between 2.5G and 3G. For faster speeds, users can connect to “wi-fi hotspots”. Apple is working on a 3G version for late next year. Introducing one now, Mr Jobs said, would have compromised the long battery life.
 
30 pages of replys on here and no one has mentioned push e-mail.

In jobbs original keynote in January he said in the states Yahoo were giving all Iphone owners free push e-mail.

So what do we get in the UK, do we get any push e-mail features?

Because to be fair, if this is the case - then theres 30+ pages of people moaning about nothing here.

As someone already stated. You get o2 25 (£25) +6.99 cloud subscription, +£3 for "unlimited" data usage...THAT MAKES £35!!
I can't believe someone made that post and everyone ignored it, you're basically paying £10 a month extra to use the iphone on top of standard O2 contracts because of the free wi-fi from cloud and the unlimted data...BUT add into this the possibilty of push e-mail, and considering you pay £10 a month to t-mobile to use a blackberry this really is competitive pricing.

I currently pay 02 £35 a month for 750 minutes (which rollover) and 750 texts...i doubt ive ever used more than 150 texts in a month, and i never use the minutes, occasionally i have a blast of a huge call on it. I have a SonyEricisson and the internet is so useless on it i never use it, and i dont even check my e-mails on this phone, nor do i use the Sky+ features...as for 3G pah...ive never seen or heard of anyone use video to video calls...speaking to these people half time is a downside nevermind having to see them too!

Regardless of all this, i just want it to be confirmed we get all the special iphone features people in the US are getting for the money..

Eg...Visual Voicemail (yes)
Push e-mail from Yahoo (??)
3 way conference calls etc

I always worried the UK networks wouldn't operate all these things, but if they do, you really can't blame them for charging you a little bit more - the options are use an iphone with extra features pay a bit more, use a blackberry with extra features pay a bit more, or use a normal nokia and pay less...i dont understand the ranting.
 
j26 said:
I disagree. Scanning through the register is a positive act of acceptance of the offer. The consideration (£269) need not pass at the time of making the contract, merely the agreement that it will pass.

If you walk up to the till and say "This is £269, right?", and the cashier says yes, once you say you'll take it, and the cashier rings up the sale, the deal is made - no money has passed yet, by the contract is made. When the cash changes hands is irrelevant in the making of a contract - it's the exchange of promises that makes it binding.
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That is just the cashier saying that they are prepared to sell you the item for £269. No offer and acceptance with consideration is made at that point.

The offer is made to contract when the item is brought to the till and acceptance is made by the shop when your money is taken. You will have a very hard time defending otherwise in court.
 
I'm with you.... I earn to much to worry about this stuff...... I can afford £55 per month and I love the unlimited data.... every time I use my phone now I tense up because I know anything over 125Mb I'm going to be r*aped by the butt end of a pool cue from Vodafone...

page3 said:
I amazed by the number of negative posts on the price and tariffs. What did you guys really expect???

My last (contract) phone was the O2 Exec (HTC Universal).

It cost £279 on an 18 month contract (£600 unsubbed)
That included 200 minutes x-network and 50 SMS's
1Mb (yes MB!) data, extra was £3 per M/b

3G speeds were the same as GPRS speeds on the O2 Exec, due to the time it takes to initialise the connection, and the limit imposed by the OS (Windows Mobile) and software (IE). WiFi was a no-go as battery life would plummet dramatically even after a little use. The phone was as buggy as hell, and after 18 months neither Microsoft or HTC had fixed even half of the bugs.

The O2 tariffs might not suit everyone's needs, but they sure suit mine. There would be no point in me hacking the phone, as I've not been able to find a better tariff (for my usage) for less than £35 p/m, or a comparable phone+iPod for less than £269.
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whiteboytrash said:
Despite spending £22.5 billion on the licences for 3G mobile internet connections, the bulk of their revenues – more than 90 per cent – are still drawn from calls and texts. Unlike many products, the iPhone does not work over third-generation technology. Instead, it uses Edge technology, with speeds somewhere between 2.5G and 3G. For faster speeds, users can connect to “wi-fi hotspots”. Apple is working on a 3G version for late next year. Introducing one now, Mr Jobs said, would have compromised the long battery life.
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so by launch day 30% will have edge, what sort of speed will the other 70% being having? (if not in wifi coverage)
 
Project said:
That is just the cashier saying that they are prepared to sell you the item for £269. No offer and acceptance with consideration is made at that point.

The offer is made to contract when the item is brought to the till and acceptance is made by the shop when your money is taken. You will have a very hard time defending otherwise in court.
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Again I disagree - I'd have a great time arguing it in court, and I'd win. :)
 
Manic Mouse said:
False advertising though, surely?
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Invitation to treat.

If it was really blatent then you may have a case with the OFT. But lets just say the wrong tag was put on a t-shirt and you took it to the till and demanded it at that price, the shop does not have to sell it you at that cheaper price.
 
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