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Then you need the sales figures from all iPod touches, iPads and iPhones.

Either compare OS to OS or handset to handset, can't have it both ways.

Why conflate? I think its relevant to ask which CDMA phone type sold more, iOS based iPhone vs Android based phones. Why add in iPod Touches and iPads that do not have a CDMA radio chipset?
 
I have the number...

I have a very close friend who works for Verizon said they have sold 2 Million pre-orders. I hope that Apple can keep up with the very high demand that this Phone will have. :)
 
Uhh, actually rule #1 is NEVER buy right after refresh/launch. You never know what problems will crop up in that first batch. But yes, I would suggest only waiting two months, buying the iPhone 4 right now seems somewhat unwise. On the other hand, since you use your phone multiple times every day, I figure this is one area where it makes a lot of sense to spend your money. There really aren't many things that use as much as your phone. If you can make that experience better, then it is probably money well spent.

Also, iPhone 5 is probably not going to be a major upgrade. The screen, for example, basically can't get better. The size, for example, can't get appreciably thinner without being increasingly harder to hold. So is it worth it to keep using your beat up Blackberry Curve for another five months so that you can get the iPhone 5 (maybe, if it comes out in CDMA form at the same time and maybe if there isn't a shortage and a backlog for a month)?


Apple is clever enough to streamline production.

So, IMO there will be an iphone (maybe 5 Gen) that does both AND since that is all done via a new processor SIM we'll eventually see a carrier independent phone, BEFORE it all goes to 4G (real 4G)

Behind the scenes Apple has explored to actually be a phone service provider (Just need to rent Satellite and infra structure capacity)

The access to the overall network of cell towers can probably not be blocked.
But if, Apple has deep pockets these days.

It all depends on how they get out of the agreements with ATT and Verizon.

Give it a 3-5 years and we'll see it!

Too much money on the table for Apple not to try to get into wireless via itunes.
 
all these people are gonna moan and groan in June if iPhone 5 comes out. Luckily i have another line i can upgrade to iPhone 5 and then swap the phones :)

That's what everyone has been saying, wait until June until iPhone 5 comes out. So what are those ppl going to do in 2012 when iPhone 6 comes out? iPhone 5 ppl are going to groan and those who got iPhone 4 will get the iPhone 6. It's all a cycle. People should just enjoy the phone when they get it.
 
In my opinion, what hurts Samsung, LG and the others is their history is to churn out models as quick as they can. Keep the product line new. But the focus has not been on quality... it's quantity and feature bulk. Apple is about quality.

I've seen quite a few posts here in the MacRumors forums that quite a few people like & want this kind of rapid release schedule for the sake of having something "new." Who cares if they need it, it's new! So many people get so bored so easily & are spoiled by these frequent product updates. Personally, I like a medium pace of release. Slow enough to get a few really good, big updates that work well & not obsolete by the time I walk out the store, but quick enough so that the first device I get say in my 20s isn't the same one I use when I die in my 80s or whatever.
 
Sorry but I've seen this all over the place today and it's just the must ridiculous statement I've seen for some time. By that token no-one would EVER buy an Android handset (for example) as even the biggest, baddest, shiniest bit of kit on the block tends to be replaced at the top of the tree within 6 months, more normally 3. Anyone that bought a Nexus S when it came out on the 16th of December is going to find themselves with last-gen hardware in the next couple of weeks when the dual-core phones start to hit. More to the point, if Apple follow their usual plan, the iPhone 4 will just become the 'cheap' phone in their range so you'll still have a current handset for 18 months, how many manufacturers can say that?

Buy an iPhone now if you want one. The next gen won't be vastly different, faster internals maybe but that's about it. Buy it if it's what you want NOW, if it isn't then hang on. Rule number one of the tech world.

Agreed. Buy the iPhone now if you want it. The iPhone 5 prob won't be LTE/4G ready. People who get iPhone 5 in the summer won't be able to get iPhone 6. But those who get iPhone 4 now will be able to get iPhone 6.
 
Why conflate? I think its relevant to ask which CDMA phone type sold more, iOS based iPhone vs Android based phones. Why add in iPod Touches and iPads that do not have a CDMA radio chipset?

"Who's that clip-clopping across my bridge...?"
 
Sorry but I've seen this all over the place today and it's just the must ridiculous statement I've seen for some time. By that token no-one would EVER buy an Android handset (for example) as even the biggest, baddest, shiniest bit of kit on the block tends to be replaced at the top of the tree within 6 months, more normally 3. Anyone that bought a Nexus S when it came out on the 16th of December is going to find themselves with last-gen hardware in the next couple of weeks when the dual-core phones start to hit. More to the point, if Apple follow their usual plan, the iPhone 4 will just become the 'cheap' phone in their range so you'll still have a current handset for 18 months, how many manufacturers can say that?

Buy an iPhone now if you want one. The next gen won't be vastly different, faster internals maybe but that's about it. Buy it if it's what you want NOW, if it isn't then hang on. Rule number one of the tech world.

Relax bro I was talking about APPLE products, not tech products in general. Yes, there is always new fancy tech right around the corner generally speaking so you should just buy what you want whenever you want.


But for APPLE products, they are on predictable upgrade cycles so you know almost precisely when your product will go obsolete. Like it would be stupid to buy an iPad right now since they're the exact same price they were a year ago, but if you wait just one or two months you'll get the newer model for the same price.

You're really disputing that?
 
I've seen quite a few posts here in the MacRumors forums that quite a few people like & want this kind of rapid release schedule for the sake of having something "new." Who cares if they need it, it's new! So many people get so bored so easily & are spoiled by these frequent product updates. Personally, I like a medium pace of release. Slow enough to get a few really good, big updates that work well & not obsolete by the time I walk out the store, but quick enough so that the first device I get say in my 20s isn't the same one I use when I die in my 80s or whatever.

The thing is, no matter what you buy, there is always something new right around the corner to make you feel obsolete.

Like you, I personally like the slower pace of Apple's upgrades for the hardware. They tend to put in things that matter and focus on SW updates to keep the experience fresh. I know my iPhone 4 will be obsolete in June. I know I will probably want features and improvements added to version 5 of the hardware... but I also know, I have a year to go on my contract with AT&T and the iPhone 4 I have will reap the benefits of the new iOS releases and it will continue to be a very useful tool.

But of course... a year later and when iPhone 6 is ready... I'll be all over that! :D

My question is, besides performance tweaks and things like 4G support, where else can smart phones go? There is only so much you can do on a 4" or 5" screen.

Seems as though the next big thing will be integration of the Smart phone with other smart appliances so that the smart phone becomes integrated into your total entertainment, communication and computer environment. But if this is the case... Apple again has the leg up as they are already putting all the pieces in place.
 
No surprise there. iPhone is only the best phone out right now.

Don't tell Android users that, lol.

I wonder how many Verizon users have been crapping on iPhone because "Android is the best" (the only non-AT&T option until now) - but are now jumping on the iPhone because they can finally get it on their network.

I wonder how many people are scrambling to dump their crappy Droid phones so they can get an iPhone.

:apple:
 
No surprise there. iPhone is only the best phone out right now.

hey wow no surprise for sure, i mean look at all the competitors, they've increased the size of their phones thinking it'll make them seem better, but you can't put the dang things in your pocket. :apple:
 
Android has a lot of potential, but right this minute the iPhone is still top of the heap. Android suffers from lack of consistency--the usual open source code problem. I have no doubt that someone will someday make a phone that rivals or beats the iPhone based on Android, but someday isn't quite here yet.

Don't forget that the biggest problem with Android phones is Google itself. Android is essentially just one huge pile of spyware. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that Google doesn't make any money from sales or phone contracts with Android? They don't give it away out of generosity - it's just another one of their personal information sucking tools and a very good one.

Droid assimilates.
 
Don't tell Android users that, lol.

I wonder how many Verizon users have been crapping on iPhone because "Android is the best" (the only non-AT&T option until now) - but are now jumping on the iPhone because they can finally get it on their network.

I wonder how many people are scrambling to dump their crappy Droid phones so they can get an iPhone.

:apple:

"All we know is that there's still no contact with Motorola, and that a xenomorph may be involved."
 
I wonder how many people are scrambling to dump their crappy Droid phones so they can get an iPhone.
Doesn't really matter IMHO, the "largest launch" by Verizion was the Motorola Droid, which sold over 250,000 in the first week of sales in 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid). If that many Verizon members ordered phones, think how many more are interested in buying one when it's available for public purchase. I see the AAPL ticker getting some nice action for the next couple of months.

I've had the Motorola Droid since 2009 becuase AT&T's crappy service lead me to let go of my iPhone, but I've enjoyed the phone. Now I'm thinking about switching to the iPhone because I've missed it!
 
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The numbers I want to see are how many of those loyal Verizon customers owned a droid device and turned to the dark side with us iPhone owners.

Probably not as many as those here think. There will be many more blackberry users. And when the Q1 reports come out will find out how many came from dumb or feature phones since the number of smartphones was at 26%.
 
I'm a mac guy through and through but thats debatable.

One could say thanks to brilliant marketing, iPhone has earned the perception of being the best phone out right now.

I have both. (I say both because there is Android, iOS and then all of the insignificant others).

The android doesn't even compare.

Your comment is insulting. We're not duped into buying the iPhone. The hype for the phone is fully justified and earned by Apple by making an amazing and useful product. Same with the iPad, there was some major hate going around when it was announced but after people got their hands on them they agreed that it is indeed a magical device. Advertising or not, the iOS devices are amazing and the sales show that.
 
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