Does it look or sound like I am kidding?
Re-read my posts, and you will see that I am not.
EDIT: I'll put it another way. Why would you willingly put something on your phone which you know will cripple it?
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Does it look or sound like I am kidding?
Re-read my posts, and you will see that I am not.
EDIT: I'll put it another way. Why would you willingly put something on your phone which you know will cripple it?
BL.
You're making an implicit assumption that everyone is expected to know that, but that's only for the 1% of informed consumers (and 90% of the folks in this board) who keep up with Apple news.
The experience for most iPhone owners is through iTunes. When they plug in their 3G, they get a prompt to update with the promise of new features. Of course most of them will click yes and update to iOS 4.
That's exactly the experience and image that Apple professes to provide: Trouble-free, "it just works" technology. In this regard, Apple dropped the ball.
They should not release iOS 4 for iPhone 3G if it doesn't work well enough. Apologize, delay it to iOS 4.1 or later and make good on the promise.
(I have an inkling suspicion that they decided not to do this as it would cast a doubt on the capability of iOS 4 in iPhone 4. So they chose to let iPhone 3G users suffer since there is less revenue gained there than selling shiny new iPhone 4s.)
If I have to go fish around for info in cyberspace that an update's gonna make my device unusable (i.e. that kind of legwork that you insist is compulsory of every iPhone owner) I'd be owning, say, a Windows Mobile phone rather than an Apple product.
As mentioned, Apple does not have warning anywhere (e.g. in iOS 4 download pages, release notes, etc.) that iOS 4 will perform badly on the iPhone 3G. Hence, its not fair for unsuspecting consumers to expect a barely usable device after an update.
Believe it or not, there are people out there who just use Apple products. They do not live and breathe technology, they don't scan the Apple Store every day, they don't watch WWDC or keynote speeches, and they don't trawl the web looking for every minute detail about what Apple gadgets they use. They simply use the gear, because after all one of the Apple catchphrases is 'It just works'.
Then one day iTunes pops up and says there's a new version of the OS for their phone, and do they want to upgrade? Nowhere on the notice is there a large warning in flashing red type saying:
"It has been detected that you are using an iPhone 3G. Please note that installing this upgrade may significantly impact the performance of your device. This may include applications being unable to run and the device becoming unresponsive for long periods of time. For further information, see this link ... or contact Apple Customer Support on ... Click OK to proceed only if you are sure you wish to apply this update, and that you understand the risks associated with it".
In the absence of such a warning, and trusting that Apple has exercised due diligence (as someone has pointed out earlier), they hit the OK button. An hour or so later they have a phone that barely works. I know five 3G owners this has happened to, all regular people who don't spend their time reading Apple forums to see what the state of play is on this latest 'upgrade'.
These are the people I feel sorry for.
So did they 'willingly put something on their phone'? Sure they did, and in good faith too. Did they know that it would cripple it? Of course not, and why should they.
Myself? Yeah I've got a 3G too and I installed iOS 4 and yes, I'm a complete dimwit for doing so. But then as someone who does watch keynotes, I should have known better and I'll have to put up with it until I get my iPhone 4
Then one day iTunes pops up and says there's a new version of the OS for their phone, and do they want to upgrade? Nowhere on the notice is there a large warning in flashing red type saying:
"It has been detected that you are using an iPhone 3G. Please note that installing this upgrade may significantly impact the performance of your device. This may include applications being unable to run and the device becoming unresponsive for long periods of time. For further information, see this link ... or contact Apple Customer Support on ... Click OK to proceed only if you are sure you wish to apply this update, and that you understand the risks associated with it".
In the absence of such a warning, and trusting that Apple has exercised due diligence (as someone has pointed out earlier), they hit the OK button. An hour or so later they have a phone that barely works. I know five 3G owners this has happened to, all regular people who don't spend their time reading Apple forums to see what the state of play is on this latest 'upgrade'.
These are the people I feel sorry for.
So did they 'willingly put something on their phone'? Sure they did, and in good faith too. Did they know that it would cripple it? Of course not, and why should they.
Myself? Yeah I've got a 3G too and I installed iOS 4 and yes, I'm a complete dimwit for doing so. But then as someone who does watch keynotes, I should have known better and I'll have to put up with it until I get my iPhone 4
It's difficult for Apple with regard to allowing newer OS on older product as you can't really win - in another thread someone was trying to convince me not to get an Android phone as they "don't get updates like the iPhone does", well it's a double-edged sword and I'd rather have an OS designed to work with my phone than one where the technology has surpassed it.
You could be cynical and say Apple allowed the update on the 3G almost intentionally slowing it down so more would be inclined to get the newer model... I doubt that's true as I would usually think better of Apple than that and they would no doubt have gotten flak if they didn't allow it as with updates to the original iPhone so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt
To say "people knew what they were getting themselves into" because Steve Jobs made a passing statement about it in a press conference is highly presumptuous and very naive, come out of your iBubble and step into the real world please.
You could be cynical and say Apple allowed the update on the 3G almost intentionally slowing it down so more would be inclined to get the newer model... I doubt that's true as I would usually think better of Apple than that and they would no doubt have gotten flak if they didn't allow it as with updates to the original iPhone so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt
To say "people knew what they were getting themselves into" because Steve Jobs made a passing statement about it in a press conference is highly presumptuous and very naive, come out of your iBubble and step into the real world please.
My Mum has a 2G Touch. I advised her not to upgrade, but she did it anyway. And ... It's really good. Webbrowsing is faster. Everything else is about the same. It's nowhere near the slowness that I've seen online.
It crashes apps more than before, but not by much. Probably 1 more crash per 100 than before.
Most importantly, it syncs faster and Mum is very happy with it.
It crashes apps more than before, but not by much. Probably 1 more crash per 100 than before.
Most importantly, it syncs faster and Mum is very happy with it.
On a ore technical note, Android fans - the reason your OS is getting faster isn't because Google is making the OS better with each update; it's because Android was terribly inefficient to begin with.
Apart from the browser, in which Android is leading in JS performance, iOS is still much more efficient in apps. Android isn't improving with 2.2 - it's just catching up with the competition. They are doing optimisations which should have been done with version 1, like iPhone and Blackberry.
Apart from the browser, in which Android is leading in JS performance, iOS is still much more efficient in apps. Android isn't improving with 2.2 - it's just catching up with the competition. They are doing optimisations which should have been done with version 1, like iPhone and Blackberry.
Heu...Is it a thread about the latest Beta SW release or a iOS4/3G debate??? I think there are many threads about this so I suggest you use these threads to discuss it...Would be better on this thread to hear what dev are finding out on this new release.
Believe it or not, there are people out there who just use Apple products. They do not live and breathe technology, they don't scan the Apple Store every day, they don't watch WWDC or keynote speeches, and they don't trawl the web looking for every minute detail about what Apple gadgets they use. They simply use the gear, because after all one of the Apple catchphrases is 'It just works'.
Then one day iTunes pops up and says there's a new version of the OS for their phone, and do they want to upgrade? Nowhere on the notice is there a large warning in flashing red type saying:
"It has been detected that you are using an iPhone 3G. Please note that installing this upgrade may significantly impact the performance of your device. This may include applications being unable to run and the device becoming unresponsive for long periods of time. For further information, see this link ... or contact Apple Customer Support on ... Click OK to proceed only if you are sure you wish to apply this update, and that you understand the risks associated with it".
In the absence of such a warning, and trusting that Apple has exercised due diligence (as someone has pointed out earlier), they hit the OK button. An hour or so later they have a phone that barely works. I know five 3G owners this has happened to, all regular people who don't spend their time reading Apple forums to see what the state of play is on this latest 'upgrade'.
These are the people I feel sorry for.
So did they 'willingly put something on their phone'? Sure they did, and in good faith too. Did they know that it would cripple it? Of course not, and why should they.
Myself? Yeah I've got a 3G too and I installed iOS 4 and yes, I'm a complete dimwit for doing so. But then as someone who does watch keynotes, I should have known better and I'll have to put up with it until I get my iPhone 4
Yep, if Apple cuts support for some devices it's bad, if Apple keeps support it's bad.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND FOR ONCE.
Believe it or not, there are people out there who just use Apple products. They do not live and breathe technology, they don't scan the Apple Store every day, they don't watch WWDC or keynote speeches, and they don't trawl the web looking for every minute detail about what Apple gadgets they use. They simply use the gear, because after all one of the Apple catchphrases is 'It just works'.
Then one day iTunes pops up and says there's a new version of the OS for their phone, and do they want to upgrade? Nowhere on the notice is there a large warning in flashing red type saying:
"It has been detected that you are using an iPhone 3G. Please note that installing this upgrade may significantly impact the performance of your device. This may include applications being unable to run and the device becoming unresponsive for long periods of time. For further information, see this link ... or contact Apple Customer Support on ... Click OK to proceed only if you are sure you wish to apply this update, and that you understand the risks associated with it".
In the absence of such a warning, and trusting that Apple has exercised due diligence (as someone has pointed out earlier), they hit the OK button. An hour or so later they have a phone that barely works. I know five 3G owners this has happened to, all regular people who don't spend their time reading Apple forums to see what the state of play is on this latest 'upgrade'.
These are the people I feel sorry for.
So did they 'willingly put something on their phone'? Sure they did, and in good faith too. Did they know that it would cripple it? Of course not, and why should they.
Myself? Yeah I've got a 3G too and I installed iOS 4 and yes, I'm a complete dimwit for doing so. But then as someone who does watch keynotes, I should have known better and I'll have to put up with it until I get my iPhone 4
You should have seen how many people were up and early (3 AM) at the AT&T store on June 29th. Half of them were 3G owners complaining about how iOS4 killed their phones and now they had to upgrade. Shady tactics to get some to purchase a new phone in my opinion, tsk.
Well to be honest there doesn't seem to be much of a story on the latest Beta release so I think people have drifted on... Not much meat in the main story.
IMO the 2G touch has always been fine with iOS 4. Its only the iPhone 3G that is a bit sluggish.
this was posted on the eng story
# Gizmodo
is reporting that this build has apparently solved the proximity sensor issue which was plaguing some iPhone 4 users since launch.
luckily i have no prox sensor issues. even when on hour long calls and holding the phone with my shoulder
Ding Ding Ding!
I think we have a winner. That's where mine started too - it was perfect before that.
I think we have a winner. That's where mine started too - it was perfect before that.
Thanks for the idea! Sounds like a decent workaround until The official fix comes out.
What issues are you seeing with Nike+? I only started using it with the iPhone 4 as I had a 3G without it before so I have no idea how it worked on the 3GS. It does seem like after a few days or so, it has a really hard time picking the sensor up when you start out for a run. A reboot fixes it for me though, so I have been rebooting the phone while I stretch before I go out and it picks it up right away after that.
As far as issues with iOS 4on the iPhone 3G. I really think it has to do with upgrades. I don't know if Apple had some wonky code in there at some point or if its due to so many SW revs in the history of the 3G, but I specifically set my iPhone 4 up as new because my 3G was taking forever to sync and had really bad battery life and if you look around, you can see lots of people with the same issues. I did not want to bring any corruption issues over to the new phone.
I also had the proximity sensor problems from the beginning, well before 4.0.1 came out and I know the reports all over the web started well before that also, so I don't think it has anything to do with the bar fix.
can someone post a link to were I can get some information ( or follow progress) about the 3G and new OS performance issues. My wife and I both have the older phones, and they've been crippled.
I know this thread isn't the best place to seek an answwer, but I'm a little stumped and our phones (except for 4.01) are no where near being obsolute - so I'm struggling to figure out what to do... thanks
I know this thread isn't the best place to seek an answwer, but I'm a little stumped and our phones (except for 4.01) are no where near being obsolute - so I'm struggling to figure out what to do... thanks
I think this is the point where you should stop contributing to this thread. The more you post, the deeper the hole you dig for yourself.