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If, at the end of the year, I can still find new 6S Pluses available for a good price I'd get one to replace my 6+. It's the last iPhone with a phone jack, and offers superior performance and camera to the 6+. I just won't invest in an expensive iPhone without a headphone jack. I have nice wired headphones and they, at least today, can't be replaced with wireless/bluetooth offerings.

The iPhone 6S is a great iPhone and is much improved over the iPhone 6 Plus. It will Easily have support for years to come and isn't drastically different from the iPhone 7 without the headphone jack. But it will be a nice upgrade if you go that route.
 
Oh god more headphone jack and USB-A comments.

I got more too!

Like how the new Apple headphones can't be plugged into any mac laptop. I especially like how iphones come with USB-A, but now you need to be a separate cable or adapter to plug into your new 2000 dollar laptop.

Wait, and I LOVE on the macbook if you want to plug something in the USB-C, but are charging your laptop, you need an adapter or else you are SOL

AND I LOVE how the macbook pro got ride of HDMI and USB-A. But I really love how if you go on vacation and have an apple watch, you need another charger too!!

Give me a break. Open you eyes, Apple products use to have an elegancy and interoperability. Now you have dongle heaven! I think you and Tim can bond over some dongles!
 
As one who disliked Apple products (for no apparent reason) before getting my very first Mac back in 2009/2010 as I went through three different Lenovo ThinkPad's in under one year do to various failures. I think I went through the regular T-series, Ts-series (T-series, just thinner) and the latest one I got was their fully fledged, top-of-the-line W-series and two of them had portions of the "magnesium" body around the touchpad crack and the W-series suffered from some downright horrible speakers, and a horrible display (really low-end TN-panel with horrible viewing angles and lots of colour shifting).

I love ThinkPad's. I love how they don't fuzz around with fancy design changes. They stick with the pure black, rugged business look and have some of the best customer support out of all the various Windows suppliers out there. I never had a hard time getting my defective machines replaced. And I' am one of those weirdos who prefers trackpoint over lacklustre touchpad that you get on most Windows laptops.

But you have to draw the line at some point. And after going through three different high-end ThinkPad's in one year I just had to say stop. At this point in time there wasn't much competition either. Dell wasn't providing anything decent, they had their Dell Precision line-up but they was expensive, bulky, heavy and whatnot. HP had their Pro and EliteBooks but they wasn't all that good at the time either. There was no Microsoft Surface line-up etc..


So I ended up with a MacBook Pro 17-inch instead. At this point in time I didn't have anything Apple, and I was one of those who just laughed at Apple, their fans and their pricing. I used a Nokia N95 rev.2 at the time that got replaced with the very first Google Nexus made by HTC right after I got the MacBook Pro.

And oh my. The MacBook Pro 17-inch was simply perfect compared to everything else currently available. Apple did not skimp on anything. You had awesome speakers, awesome 16:10 IPS-displays (very uncommon at the time), great keyboard, truly amazing touchpad etc.. As a non-Apple user I ended up tossing Mac OS X right out of the Window and ran Windows 7 or whatever it was using Bootcamp all the time. I only had Mac OS X for firmware updates.


After about one year I started to grow more and more custom to Mac OS X. And after about 1,5 year I was using Mac OS X all the time instead of Windows. And to this day I simply prefer Mac OS X / macOS over Windows on notebooks. This is when I decided to replace my Google Nexus One with a iPhone 3GS and it was pretty much the same experience with the phone. The iPhone 3GS and iOS whatever version we had at the time was just so much better and provided me with a much nicer overall user experience compared to the Nexus One and Android 2.2 or whatever it was running.


And this is when things start to really kick-off. Because the real value of Apple devices is truly it's eco-system more than anything else. And it's not about lock-in and bladibla it's about the fully integrated and optimised eco-system Apple is capable of providing across it's devices.

Today I have flipped everything around. From being a non-Apple user back in 2008, now in 2017 I have 2x MacBook's for myself and my fiancée, we have 2x iPhone's, we have 2x Apple Watches, we have 2x iPad's and we have 1x Apple TV, 1x AirPort Express for AirPlay to Sonos and Philips Hue with HomeKit. I still prefer Windows on my home server, and I still prefer Windows on our desktop as we mostly game on our desktops and I don't prefer Apple devices like the AirPort Extreme / Time Capsule as I like to have more control but I have one Time Capsule for Time Machine Backups.


And even though we might see specific devices like Microsoft Surface products, Samsung Galaxy phones and what not that look great and might feature various things that is superior to out current Apple devices we don't find them all that tempting. Because neither Microsoft, Google or Samsung is able to offer the samme fully fledged and well integrated eco-system that Apple is capable of.

If we would go with a Galaxy S8 Plus, a Microsoft Surface Laptop, a Samsung Galaxy Tab, a NVIDIA Shield TV and a LG watch for instance. All great devices when you look at them all separately but they don't integrate at all compared to having the iPhone 7 Plus, MacBook Pro, Apple TV and Apple Watch. There is no auto-unlock using your watch. There is no handy automatic remote app on your phone and tablet. There is no hand-off, synchronisation of password, apps, settings etc.. There is just so many little things you get by fully adopting the Apple ecosystem that no one else (at least currently) is able to re-create that gives the Apple devices so much more added value than the specific devices alone.
 
When it comes to smartphones I feel like there are no alternatives. Only Apple sells smartphones with the offer of timely security updates, in-store help, and a huge third-party app and accessory presence.

I'm thinking about jumping ship when it comes to laptops on the other hand. My 2013 rMBP Macbook Pro is still running strong, recent PC laptop releases look like they might offer more than the current line-up of Macbooks.
 
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Study based on the USA only - so not surprising! Thing is only about about 10% of the current market live there (which will only be about 2-3% of the market in 10 to 20 years)!!!!
 
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If, at the end of the year, I can still find new 6S Pluses available for a good price I'd get one to replace my 6+. It's the last iPhone with a phone jack, and offers superior performance and camera to the 6+. I just won't invest in an expensive iPhone without a headphone jack. I have nice wired headphones and they, at least today, can't be replaced with wireless/bluetooth offerings.
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I wonder how many on this forum actually do.
Really! They come on here and complain about Apple and how they're moving to windows..like windoz or Linux are
paradise :) Then how they built a hackintosh! So they are using Apples OS without supporting it.
A fortune? For the majority of customers?

I have a case and a cable that's specific to my iPhone. What else do I need? Certainly don't feel "locked in."
People seem to have a need to exaggerate on here! I bought a $3 case for my Iphone and paid more
for my friends LG phone case..where do people come up with this stuff?!!
 
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But I thought Tim Cook needed to be fired and Apple was doomed, at least that's the posts that appear at least once on a thread. I'm not surprised by the loyalty rate for iPhone, the iPhone 7 Plus is a great device I love mine and even beyond that with all the iPhones I've had in the past I've never had an issue, they are the most reliable smartphone I've ever used, I'm personally looking forward to the iPhone 8.
Dave easy on the cool aid there mate...Too much will hurt your tummy
 
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When it comes to smartphones I feel like there are no alternatives. Only Apple sells smartphones with the offer of timely security updates, in-store help, and a huge third-party app and accessory presence.

I'm thinking about jumping ship when it comes to laptops on the other hand. My 2013 rMBP Macbook Pro is still running strong, recent PC laptop releases look like they might offer more than the current line-up of Macbooks.
You get what you pay for. I'd buy the 2015 rMBP or even an older one, I just bought the 2012 15" 2.7quad and its a beast. If you are a gamer then maybe a new pc is the only thing that will do. But for music production this old mac rockS!
My girlfriend just bought a $1400 Lenovo and she hates it. People forget that good quality windows pcs can cost a lot too.
Macs are over priced but I still think they are a better machine.
 
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy S III. But I switched to an iPhone to maintain compatibility with iTunes (and because I was familiar with iOS based on using it on an iPod Touch and iPad). Fat chance I'm going to an Android phone again because of my heavy investment in the iOS ecosystem (and the fact on the iPhone, thing actually work for the most part).

This fall, I will likely finally retire my iPhone 6 (64 GB Space Gray) for a new iPhone 8 (256 GB Black--though not Jet Black). And it will likely have most of the user interface I'm familiar with, too.

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Im happy you're enjoying the apple ecosystem like i am
Ill advise you to probably upgrade to the 6s plus when the new ones come out because they will have gotten more affordable

i recently lost my iPhone 6s plus and even though i could have gotten a 7 or 7 plus i opted not to and got another 6s plus
First off with the 6s plus i had all i wanted from a phone straight out of the box
I didn't have to be convinced that i needed courage to spend an extra $169? to get AirPods

I don't know why people think apple will release an iPhone 8 this year
THEY WONT

Why would they when they can release an 7s with dodgy courageous updates like
1.NEW A11 Chip that will somehow be 2x faster than A10 {and most people won't notice wow i never knew i needed so much speed with the A11 chip}
2.The brightest and most colorful iPhone yet {lol really its on apples page}
3. 2 cameras that shoot as one {but still the same as the last iPhone}
4 More WaterRESISTANT {Key word resistant not proof because **** you if you leave it in water and it malfunctions}
5 Faster LTE and worldwide roaming {Roaming you won't need because you only use it when you travel 2 weeks a year but you're elated your new iPhone has it}
6 IOS 11 {lol this one is probably worth the upgrade but then again iPhone 5s may run it too so?}
7 lol lets not forget the "Wireless Effortless AND MAGICAL AirPods we won't give you for free even though your phone is now worth a thousand bucks
8 Our team is working on a new color to trick your brains into wanting it too even though you never wanted it till we released it , We will call it Water Clear or SNOW WHITE

and then make money only to release the 8 next year and make around the same money or more?

Think of it like this
Apple releases iPhone 8 this and makes 400 million
or Apple releases 7s makes 300 million this year and releases 8 next year to make 400million
Yeah Im pretty sure they'll prefer the latter
Why skip a generation of iPhone when you can make money off it

Like i said i have an iPhone 6s plus and a 2014 Mac but I'm not a blind loyalist
The fact i WILLINGLY give them my money gives me a right to expect more from them
Gone are the days i happily chugged down the CoolAid
Apple needs to be more accountable to their costumers
 
Don't read into it too much. There is literally only Android as competition, and hardly a distinction between any devices. Of course nobody is switching. We're right in the middle of a stagnant duopoly that should have been broken up a long time ago.
 
The main thing I miss about the iPhone is iMessage interfacing to my other i-Things.

This is is a huge selling point for me. At the rate things have been going with Macs I fully expect this to be an advantage that goes away as they haven't put anything out in that space that I'd buy in at least 4 years.
 
If we would go with a Galaxy S8 Plus, a Microsoft Surface Laptop, a Samsung Galaxy Tab, a NVIDIA Shield TV and a LG watch for instance. All great devices when you look at them all separately but they don't integrate at all compared to having the iPhone 7 Plus, MacBook Pro, Apple TV and Apple Watch. There is no auto-unlock using your watch. There is no handy automatic remote app on your phone and tablet. There is no hand-off, synchronisation of password, apps, settings etc.. There is just so many little things you get by fully adopting the Apple ecosystem that no one else (at least currently) is able to re-create that gives the Apple devices so much more added value than the specific devices alone.

As one who recently went from all Apple to only 1 Apple left, that is not true. Chrome will sync your passwords and whatnot across platforms - PC, Mac, Phone, etc. Now I don't use that and use a password manager which syncs across Mac, PC, Android, and even the Huawei Watch 2.

I think I used Handoff ONCE on my Macs - I hardly ever started a message on my iPhone and went to the Mac to finish it. There is still no good replacement for iMessage though. There is pretty much no AppleTV integration (I own the latest generation too) in the Ecosystem.

As far as unlock with your watch - I believe the Surface and know that a lot of Windows PCs support either facial recognition or fingerprint to unlock. The HP I have supports face and it's cool - not instant and not foolproof but neither was unlock with the watch too. MS is also working on lock/unlock with your paired cell phone -right now it will lock when your phone goes out of range.

In short the integrations while not perfect do exist outside of the Apple ecosystem. The Apple integrations were not perfect wither so it's a wash. It's also not as scary out there as many would have you believe. The newer PC stuff is decent and has many things Apple is too stubborn to look at (touch on laptops, 2-in-1 form factor).
 
You get what you pay for. I'd buy the 2015 rMBP or even an older one, I just bought the 2012 15" 2.7quad and its a beast. If you are a gamer then maybe a new pc is the only thing that will do. But for music production this old mac rockS!
My girlfriend just bought a $1400 Lenovo and she hates it. People forget that good quality windows pcs can cost a lot too.
Macs are over priced but I still think they are a better machine.
Excellent point on the comments above.

iPhone is the most secure phone since all applications are proprietary and not anybody could write applications opening doors for hacking.

All androids phones are not secured due to open application based systems.

All secured oriented person will not use androids to protect themselves from hacking.
 
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iPhone is the most secure phone since all applications are proprietary and not anybody could write applications opening doors for hacking.

All androids phones are not secured due to open application based systems.

All secured oriented person will not use androids to protect themselves from hacking.

Anyone can write apps for iOS. In fact Apple has let many apps slip through that are against the terms of the iOS Store.
 
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As one who disliked Apple products (for no apparent reason) before getting my very first Mac back in 2009/2010 as I went through three different Lenovo ThinkPad's in under one year do to various failures. I think I went through the regular T-series, Ts-series (T-series, just thinner) and the latest one I got was their fully fledged, top-of-the-line W-series and two of them had portions of the "magnesium" body around the touchpad crack and the W-series suffered from some downright horrible speakers, and a horrible display (really low-end TN-panel with horrible viewing angles and lots of colour shifting).

I love ThinkPad's. I love how they don't fuzz around with fancy design changes. They stick with the pure black, rugged business look and have some of the best customer support out of all the various Windows suppliers out there. I never had a hard time getting my defective machines replaced. And I' am one of those weirdos who prefers trackpoint over lacklustre touchpad that you get on most Windows laptops.

But you have to draw the line at some point. And after going through three different high-end ThinkPad's in one year I just had to say stop. At this point in time there wasn't much competition either. Dell wasn't providing anything decent, they had their Dell Precision line-up but they was expensive, bulky, heavy and whatnot. HP had their Pro and EliteBooks but they wasn't all that good at the time either. There was no Microsoft Surface line-up etc..


So I ended up with a MacBook Pro 17-inch instead. At this point in time I didn't have anything Apple, and I was one of those who just laughed at Apple, their fans and their pricing. I used a Nokia N95 rev.2 at the time that got replaced with the very first Google Nexus made by HTC right after I got the MacBook Pro.

And oh my. The MacBook Pro 17-inch was simply perfect compared to everything else currently available. Apple did not skimp on anything. You had awesome speakers, awesome 16:10 IPS-displays (very uncommon at the time), great keyboard, truly amazing touchpad etc.. As a non-Apple user I ended up tossing Mac OS X right out of the Window and ran Windows 7 or whatever it was using Bootcamp all the time. I only had Mac OS X for firmware updates.


After about one year I started to grow more and more custom to Mac OS X. And after about 1,5 year I was using Mac OS X all the time instead of Windows. And to this day I simply prefer Mac OS X / macOS over Windows on notebooks. This is when I decided to replace my Google Nexus One with a iPhone 3GS and it was pretty much the same experience with the phone. The iPhone 3GS and iOS whatever version we had at the time was just so much better and provided me with a much nicer overall user experience compared to the Nexus One and Android 2.2 or whatever it was running.


And this is when things start to really kick-off. Because the real value of Apple devices is truly it's eco-system more than anything else. And it's not about lock-in and bladibla it's about the fully integrated and optimised eco-system Apple is capable of providing across it's devices.

Today I have flipped everything around. From being a non-Apple user back in 2008, now in 2017 I have 2x MacBook's for myself and my fiancée, we have 2x iPhone's, we have 2x Apple Watches, we have 2x iPad's and we have 1x Apple TV, 1x AirPort Express for AirPlay to Sonos and Philips Hue with HomeKit. I still prefer Windows on my home server, and I still prefer Windows on our desktop as we mostly game on our desktops and I don't prefer Apple devices like the AirPort Extreme / Time Capsule as I like to have more control but I have one Time Capsule for Time Machine Backups.


And even though we might see specific devices like Microsoft Surface products, Samsung Galaxy phones and what not that look great and might feature various things that is superior to out current Apple devices we don't find them all that tempting. Because neither Microsoft, Google or Samsung is able to offer the samme fully fledged and well integrated eco-system that Apple is capable of.

If we would go with a Galaxy S8 Plus, a Microsoft Surface Laptop, a Samsung Galaxy Tab, a NVIDIA Shield TV and a LG watch for instance. All great devices when you look at them all separately but they don't integrate at all compared to having the iPhone 7 Plus, MacBook Pro, Apple TV and Apple Watch. There is no auto-unlock using your watch. There is no handy automatic remote app on your phone and tablet. There is no hand-off, synchronisation of password, apps, settings etc.. There is just so many little things you get by fully adopting the Apple ecosystem that no one else (at least currently) is able to re-create that gives the Apple devices so much more added value than the specific devices alone.
That was a great post and quite accurate. I'm always amused by people who say they will switch over this or that feature. If a person is willing to do that so easily, they clearly aren't utilizing the ecosystem fully. As you said, nearly every Apple device has a competitor that may be better, but when you put them all together that's when the magic happens.
 
I had android way back when and when I tried it most recently - I did not like the feel of it. I have been on iOS too long and enjoy how polished it is. When that changes, maybe I go a different direction. until then - I have an iPhone 7+, apple watch OG, MPB TB, a few apple tv's and a few iPads that all work seamlessly together. It's funny when I show someone how everything crosses over and their mouth drops open...
 
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I just went to Best Buy and played a little bit with the Galaxy S8 and I gotta say, the phone and its screen looks fantastic. The whole time I wished it was the new iPhone that I was holding. I just can't deal with Android. It's such a cluster f%$@# to me. Had that phone got iOS in it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I truly don't get these comments. I have android and iOS devices (work and private) Neither of these operating systems are "cluster f%$@#" they are both refined, essentially flawless experiences. Both have tiresome elements to them. I always wonder how folks know the other one is bad? If the one they use is so great, why do you keep trying the other?
 
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Excellent point on the comments above.

iPhone is the most secure phone since all applications are proprietary and not anybody could write applications opening doors for hacking.

All androids phones are not secured due to open application based systems.

All secured oriented person will not use androids to protect themselves from hacking.

Most apps/software for both Android and iOS are proprietary.

Then there's knox

http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...eats-ios-android-gartner-finds/d/d-id/1325145
 



92 percent of iPhone owners that are "somewhat likely" or "extremely likely" to upgrade their smartphone in the next 12 months plan to purchase another iPhone, according to investment banking firm Morgan Stanley.

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Apple's loyalty rate, up from 86 percent a year ago, is based on an April 2017 survey of 1,000 smartphone owners aged 18 and above in the United States. It's the highest iPhone retention rate recorded by Morgan Stanley since an all-time high of 93 percent set in September 2015, when the iPhone 6s launched.

An excerpt from Morgan Stanley analyst Katy Huberty's research note distributed today:Despite reports suggesting "iPhone 8" mass production could be delayed by months, Huberty said Morgan Stanley's Greater China Technology Research colleagues have "not yet seen delays in the supply chain" and still expect new iPhone production to start on time for most components, including the OLED display.

"Nevertheless, we remain conservative in our initial expectations for iPhone supply," the research note cautioned.

Morgan Stanley raised its price target for Apple's stock to $177 today, up from $161, given growing confidence in its 2018 fiscal year "supercycle" estimates, along with a greater mix of recurring, high-margin services revenue, and a larger cash balance with potential for repatriation in the United States.

Article Link: iPhone Scores 92% Loyalty Rate in Recent Survey Ahead of iPhone 8
[doublepost=1495127085][/doublepost]"92 percent of iPhone owners that are "somewhat likely" or "extremely likely" to upgrade their smartphone in the next 12 months plan to purchase another iPhone"

Hard to believe this extraordinary number will translate to actual sales if the price tag approaches the speculated $1000, or more, as sticker shock will set in. After all, how much is upgrading to an OLED display really worth if your current iPhone is still perfectly functional?
 
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I'm 100% loyal to iPhones. That's why I'm keeping my 5 and 6 and not planning to upgrade for as long as they continue working.
 
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