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iPhone SE 2 Predicted to Be Discontinued as Rumors Remain All Over the Map [Update: Corrected]
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Flawed logic. Apple (to the extent that they operate rationally) put their attention where they believe it will do them the most good. If they reasonably fear their competitors advancements and feel the need to push the tech on their flagship phone as fast as possible, then their attention will be focused there. If the SE has been selling well in its current form, then there is less need to roll out a more shiny newer SE every year. Its niche is literally a phone for people who decide, "I value small form factor over having the very latest tech advancements", yet you're arguing that Apple should appeal to that crowd... by adding in the very latest tech advancements.
Love my SE and very much hope they give it a spec bump. I don’t really like the iPhone 6/X designs as much at all and don’t want to go back to such a huge phone next time.
I agree wholeheartedly with the first part of your comment. I don't want a 6" phone. But I also don't want a notch at the top of my phone, especially if it's 4" screen.
Well, the main gripe has to do with single hand usage and your thumb being able to touch all parts of the screen (as far as how it feels in a pocket, I'd have to agree, my wife's iPhone 7 doesn't really feel that much different, largely thanks to the decreased thickness). On the diagonal, not thinking about the placement of the screen, the added dimensions mean your thumb has to cover about 2/3 of an inch further on the 7 than the SE. But the bezels are bigger on both the top and bottom, so its probably a bit more than that in practice. Now, I'm a slightly larger than average sized adult male and the SE basically maxes out how far my thumb can go to get to the top left of the phone (and I mean phone, not screen). That extra 2/3 of a inch kind of matters. It basically makes a quarter circle originating from the top left corner with a radius of about 2/3 of inch unreachable without moving your hand.
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lol in 5 years when you finaly realise how good face id is
and how much u cant live without it
u will purpusly forget that little statement you made there
So Apple dropping the price of SE from $399 to $349 and not refreshing it for 2.5 years is an indication it's doing well?
Ok, attach 4 more pics.
1) SE with your thumb touching the bottom left corner of the screen in a fairly comfortable position.
2) Without moving your hand on the SE, reach towards the top left corner.
3) Same as 1 with iPhone X.
4) Same as 2 with the iPhone X.
If Apple is foolish enough, not to replace the SE with another SMALL phone, I will buy one of the last remaining, despite mine being only 3 months old. I will not unpack it until my current phone breaks. If that phone breaks, and if there is still no small replacement, I will abandon Apple all together with all my computers and alternative Devices. I will be gone and I will wish Apple a slow painful death.
L-Viz, Apple user since 1995.
L-Viz, Apple user since 1995.
Thinking about it, the 6 is when Apple’s obsession with thinness started to get out of hand (see also the 2016 MBP).
We had bend-gate (with the 6) and with all of the 6 design derived phones, arguably never enough battery life because of this.
Thinness was thus prioritised over battery life/functionality.
Compare with the SE where they actually increased the battery capacity compared to the 5S...
I’m not a designer, but would the 6 have looked so bad if it was a few mm deeper ie so the camera was flush like the 5?
And thus more battery could’ve been fitted in...
We had bend-gate (with the 6) and with all of the 6 design derived phones, arguably never enough battery life because of this.
Thinness was thus prioritised over battery life/functionality.
Compare with the SE where they actually increased the battery capacity compared to the 5S...
I’m not a designer, but would the 6 have looked so bad if it was a few mm deeper ie so the camera was flush like the 5?
And thus more battery could’ve been fitted in...
I will put up with a larger iPhone if they discontinue the SE and small phones, but I will always miss the days that Apple proudly showed a new device that was thinner and lighter each year.
This year we saw the iPhones come out and the weights and sizes weren't important, barely talked about. iPhones are putting on weight most years.
The iPhone X had a really nice screen and internals, but I thought the actual design sucked.
Hopefully the Apple Watch improves so I can just leave my coming enormous iPhone before more often.
This year we saw the iPhones come out and the weights and sizes weren't important, barely talked about. iPhones are putting on weight most years.
The iPhone X had a really nice screen and internals, but I thought the actual design sucked.
Hopefully the Apple Watch improves so I can just leave my coming enormous iPhone before more often.
apple is getting rid of the home button and touch id, its a fact get used to it
dont be outdated mentalhy
dont be outdated mentalhy
My wife has been waiting for an SE2 so she won't be happy about this. She doesn't like big iPhones.
I do not agree with Apple's new messy convoluted approach.
Three phones - with the latest and greatest internals and screens.
You can bigger phones with the better camera setup but stop forcing users into giant phones.
For Steve it was simple, the latest phone is the best, kept the lineup straight forward. Same problem with their iPad lineup.
Small - Medium - Large
I do not agree with Apple's new messy convoluted approach.
Three phones - with the latest and greatest internals and screens.
You can bigger phones with the better camera setup but stop forcing users into giant phones.
For Steve it was simple, the latest phone is the best, kept the lineup straight forward. Same problem with their iPad lineup.
Small - Medium - Large
Sony's Compact Android flagship phones are about halfway inbetween the size of an SE and a 6/6S/7/8/9 despite the 4.6" (or 5" at an 18:9 aspect ratio on the XZ2 Compact) screen size due to smaller bezels, and their compact phones readily outsell Sony's larger-screened versions, despite being about the same price.
There is a market for compact phones, it isn't huge, but it is there.
I'd rather an outdated design that keeps things like the headphone jack than to chance that they'd go more the direction of the iPhone 7 or iPhone 8 by removing the headphone jack or, worse, returning to a glass back...
No one ever said that the 6.1" LCD iPhone is the replacement to the iPhone SE. If anything, it's the replacement to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus in the current lineup.
Sony's "Compact" XZ2 phone is now virtually the same size as the current iPhone 8.
If anything, it's a indication how out of place the iPhone SE is today.
In exchange for being a few mm shorter, the Sony is more than 50% thicker than iPhone 8. Not a great trade-off for anyone putting their device in a pocket.
I had the chance to compare, side-by-side, an Iphone X with an Iphone 8. The displays are identical size, but because of the former's bezeless design, that allows it to shave off a few inches off the overall size, which was really neat to see! A "best of both worlds" if they could pull that off!
Price drop can be a combination of dropping costs for parts and manufacturing as a design ages, along with a desire to attract even more buyers. As to not refreshing... did you read the post you replied to?
I didn't say whether it's doing well or not - you will have to ask Apple that. Though I expect they consider the precise details of the answer to be business secrets (I suspect it's doing pretty well, but Apple doesn't provide me with details, and if they did I would almost certainly be under NDA and couldn't tell you).
You said, "If there was demand, Apple would be presenting a new SE on stage each September." I am saying that that, your statement, is a flawed argument. It's entirely possible that they are quite pleased with the demand and thus have - to this point - not seen a huge need for yearly updates, especially given that they have finite resources and need to choose where best to focus their efforts.
You've got a point there, but how much of the revenue is made upp by the SE? I'm just saying that people that switch phones often demands new and more impressive hardware. My parents are in their 70s and my wife in her late 30s and they all couldn't give a s***t about how much faster the A12 is compared to the A10. They want a phone they can handle...if apple won't offer it the will go for other manufacturers and the question is if apple wants to lose that segment.
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Mine is in the same situation, and I've told her to hold her horses for a while now...
Very much this. I would have been quite happy for the phone to be a couple millimeters thicker, with more battery and less risk of bending (I've never feared mine bending, but I have been a bit cautious because of the extreme disparity in proportions, thickness vs. width & height). Flush camera lens would have been a bonus.
More battery capacity would have given us far less of the battery problems we've seen since (shutdowns and throttling and so on). More capacity with the same power requirements for the circuitry would also mean fewer charge/discharge cycles, leading to longer battery life (which has also been a problem). And, in a pocket, a couple mm thicker would have gone entirely unnoticed, unless you're trying to wedge a brick into that same pocket.
It all seems to have gotten sacrificed to some bizarre "iPhone Limbo dance contest" that absolutely nobody outside of Apple cares about.
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Yeah, you need to either use your pinky awkwardly or have that pogo stand on the back everyone is getting now so they can hold it from the middle. Totally proves the point that the new phones are too big. I miss it when Apple didn't give a **** about the other companies making big screens and stubbornly stuck with the size that fits human hands.
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The 6 has the worst design. Besides what you mentioned, the protruding camera makes it sit awkwardly and dirty/scratch the lens. Also the antenna bands are the weirdest thing; I couldn't believe Apple would produce the rumored designs until I saw the real phone. Both of those reasons have led me to cover the ugly backside with a case that also makes it sit flat.
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