iPhone SE 2 Predicted to Be Discontinued as Rumors Remain All Over the Map [Update: Corrected]

[mrboult]

FFS Apple! Make a phone for the people who like a smaller phone!

I've had an iPhone since year 1 but I bought a 5s the day the 6 was released in the shops because I didn't like the bigger size. I've still got the 5s, but it's tired and I want a new phone I'm not someone who needs the latest and greatest, but the SE was so uninspiring when it arrived, and now I'm wondering if I'll ever WANT another iPhone again. . . I'll get another one because I'm too old to learn how to leave apple now, but I'm really disappointed. Boo hoo for me.

 

[fairuz]

apple is getting rid of the home button and touch id, its a fact get used to it
dont be outdated mentalhy

Why get used to it when you can just use an old phone?
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FFS Apple! Make a phone for the people who like a smaller phone!

I've had an iPhone since year 1 but I bought a 5s the day the 6 was released in the shops because I didn't like the bigger size. I've still got the 5s, but it's tired and I want a new phone I'm not someone who needs the latest and greatest, but the SE was so uninspiring when it arrived, and now I'm wondering if I'll ever WANT another iPhone again. . . I'll get another one because I'm too old to learn how to leave apple now, but I'm really disappointed. Boo hoo for me.

It's not like the Android phones are any better. The only small ones are obscure, and obscure Android phones are both sucky and insecure. Even the iPhone-6-sized Google Pixel is significantly worse (with its lag and blue tinted screen) than the giant-sized version.

 

[Guy Clark]

'Back in those days, people used to use mobile phones with just one hand - imagine that!'

Now that is a quirky thought not to mention the average smartphone has more than a hundred times more computing power than a PC from 2001.

How far we have come but it has not always benefited the end user.

 

[CarlJ]

Yeah, you need to either use your pinky awkwardly or have that pogo stand on the back everyone is getting now so they can hold it from the middle. Totally proves the point that the new phones are too big. I miss it when Apple didn't give a **** about the other companies making big screens and stubbornly stuck with the size that fits human hands.

The phone I really want is one about the size and shape of the iPhone 4, with all the latest goodies (CPU, RAM, camera, AR, etc), with an extensible screen that slides smoothly out to the side when needed.

So slide the screen extension out to the side and your 3.5" 2:3 (640x960) portrait screen, becomes a 6" 16:9 (1706/960) landscape screen.

Could also go with a 5/SE sized phone and have your 4" 9:16 (640x1136) portrait screen become, for instance, a 7.33" 1.85:1 (2101x1136) landscape screen (standard movie ratio, slightly wider than 16:9).

Sadly, that's still in the realm of science fiction.

 

[Focusx0131]

A quick look at the market says no. Which other manufacturer is selling a 4" smartphone product in 2018?

There are "a lot" of supporters yet no other manufacturer has capitalized on this gold mine? Even Apple has left the SE stale.

Either every other smartphone manufacturer is stupid or the market is really too small to deserve an update.

I don’t think other manufactures would know how. Can you imagine Samsung selling a Galaxy SE that was the body of a GS3/4 with the chip of a GS6? Could it run Android?

 

[douglasf13]

Have you ever put an SE on top of a 6/6S? It’s a quarter inch talller at each end and a sixteenth of an inch wider at each side when centered... The 6/6S is also thinner than the SE, hardly a huge jump in size

It's a noticeable jump in size. I was buying a new iPhone every other model since the 3G, and I ended up going from the 6 to there SE, because the 6's size drove me crazy when in my pockets.
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Except for the fact that the SE cheapskates would never buy a phone at the price that the no bezel SE would cost to make.

I would. I pay $1K for an iPhone X the size of an SE.

 

[neoelectronaut]

Cancelling the iPhone SE is fine as long as Apple has a comparably-sized iPhone ready for release/announcement.

Anything bigger than 4" is a big nope from me.

 

[tubular]

If Apple is foolish enough, not to replace the SE with another SMALL phone, I will buy one of the last remaining, despite mine being only 3 months old. I will not unpack it until my current phone breaks.

I was thinking the same thing. In the same way I wish I'd banked a Mac mini from summer 2014, before they were lobotomized.

 

[827538]

Very much this. I would have been quite happy for the phone to be a couple millimeters thicker, with more battery and less risk of bending (I've never feared mine bending, but I have been a bit cautious because of the extreme disparity in proportions, thickness vs. width & height). Flush camera lens would have been a bonus.

More battery capacity would have given us far less of the battery problems we've seen since (shutdowns and throttling and so on). More capacity with the same power requirements for the circuitry would also mean fewer charge/discharge cycles, leading to longer battery life (which has also been a problem). And, in a pocket, a couple mm thicker would have gone entirely unnoticed, unless you're trying to wedge a brick into that same pocket.

It all seems to have gotten sacrificed to some bizarre "iPhone Limbo dance contest" that absolutely nobody outside of Apple cares about.

Would happily have had a slightly thicker 6S if it meant having a flush camera and slightly better battery life.
Maybe with the iPhone X being thicker than what came before is a sign Apple has stopped this push for thinner = better. Not a single person I've spoken to has ever wanted a thinner iPhone but my god have they brought up battery life.

 

[RaoulDuke42]

Why would you want a glass back? That's the worst design for a phone IMO. Easy to scratch, easy to crack, gets covered in fingerprints, and slippery.

I'd have to disagree on the slippery point. I have an SE and dig it, but I've certainly played with the X in an Apple Store and the glass back actually gives the thing a fair bit more friction than the aluminum of the SE. Personally I'd love to see an X with an inch and half chopped off the top so as to create a small iPhone with even better one-handability than the SE. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just kills the SE and forces me to deal with a larger phone. I had a 6 for a time, but missed my 4s. SE is ok, but even there, the chin and forehead make for a less ergonomically sound experience.

 

[Cloudkicker]

Why is this a surprise? That's a 2012 design packed with 2015's technology in 2018... Are they really doing us a favor?

Isn't a 2008 design? Bigasp bezel on top & bottom, physical home button on the bottom, chunky side bezels. Seems only Apple can get away w/ living in the past as actual MR members here bemoan minimum bezels of a Huawei phone of even last year.

 

[FunkyTang]

I would. I pay $1K for an iPhone X the size of an SE.

So one person would fork over 1k. But what about the rest of the Subaru/SE I don’t want any changes crowd?
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Why is this a surprise? That's a 2012 design packed with 2015's technology in 2018... Are they really doing us a favor?

I really wanted Apple to release a SE2 with 7 guts in March of 2018 so I could post the following.

Let me get this straight. You waited two years to buy the new SE, that has 18 month old technologies.

 

[Michael Goff]

Why get used to it when you can just use an old phone?
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It's not like the Android phones are any better. The only small ones are obscure, and obscure Android phones are both sucky and insecure. Even the iPhone-6-sized Google Pixel is significantly worse (with its lag and blue tinted screen) than the giant-sized version.

I think you have that switched. The plus size is the one with the worse screen. And I can’t say I’ve read about the smaller model lagging more.

 

[oldmacs]

How hard is it for them to spec bump it with an A11 and possibly a better camera?

 

[fairuz]

I think you have that switched. The plus size is the one with the worse screen. And I can’t say I’ve read about the smaller model lagging more.

A Google search shows that you're right. I could've sworn I only saw the blue tint on the smaller one when I used and compared them in the store. The smaller one was also lagging when I tried using it, but maybe I also got that switched and was thinking of the XL.
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The phone I really want is one about the size and shape of the iPhone 4, with all the latest goodies (CPU, RAM, camera, AR, etc), with an extensible screen that slides smoothly out to the side when needed.

So slide the screen extension out to the side and your 3.5" 2:3 (640x960) portrait screen, becomes a 6" 16:9 (1706/960) landscape screen.

Could also go with a 5/SE sized phone and have your 4" 9:16 (640x1136) portrait screen become, for instance, a 7.33" 1.85:1 (2101x1136) landscape screen (standard movie ratio, slightly wider than 16:9).

Sadly, that's still in the realm of science fiction.

Maybe with a dual screen you can get similar benefits. Wouldn't help with movies but would help with touch-involving tasks. Personally I only need my phone for messaging and occasional web browsing or reading, so the smallest screen is fine. Though I think the 4" isn't too big for me, and my fingers are average length.

 

[oldmacs]

Apple will probably continue manufacturing iPhone SE for select markets. But hardly anyone wants the SE except for those looking for a cheap phone. The 2-3% of consumers who want a small phone isn't going to convince Apple to build an updated SE when the vast majority want 6" or larger.

Apple has NEVER offered its iPhone lineup in a proper range of sizes. There has never been a time where you could buy the iPhone in 4 inch, 4.7 inch and 5.5 inch versions with the same design and relative feature parity. The SE came close to the 6S but with an older design and misusing features, which was perfectly fine for me (for example) but possibly not for a lot of people.

People aren’t buying the SE because it is now outdated.

 

[fairuz]

Now that is a quirky thought not to mention the average smartphone has more than a hundred times more computing power than a PC from 2001.

How far we have come but it has not always benefited the end user.

Hundred times more power, but software has increased resource consumption to make the speed boost benefit the users less. It took the death of Moore's Law to wake people up. I still can't ****ing send messages without seeing lag. Slack is so unresponsive that I consider it step back from anything, and iMessage is catching up in bloat with its mountain of pointless features (while still not having basic features like cloud storage or delivery indicators). And neither is reliable in terms of message delivery.

 

[Michael Goff]

A Google search shows that you're right. I could've sworn I only saw the blue tint on the smaller one when I used and compared them in the store. The smaller one was also lagging when I tried using it, but maybe I also got that switched and was thinking of the XL.
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Maybe with a dual screen you can get similar benefits. Wouldn't help with movies but would help with touch-involving tasks. Personally I only need my phone for messaging and occasional web browsing or reading, so the smallest screen is fine. Though I think the 4" isn't too big for me, and my fingers are average length.

Sadly, it’s possible it was the smaller one that lagged at the store and it still be a good phone. People in the store don’t take care of anything. I’m sure they could make an iPhone X lag through neglect, all phones seem to work worse when a display unit.

 

[fairuz]

Reading the posts here, I'm getting the sense that a lot of women like the SE - precisely for form factor, sturdiness, reliability, and size reasons, among others.

Do these women - who want a small, reliable, sturdy, ergonomic phone - represent a "tiny, niche" market, insignificant in numbers in world terms?

Don't women have longer fingers? Either that or mine are just really short for my height. I can't use a screen larger than 4"!

 

[groadyho]

A Samsung galaxy s8 with a 5.8" screen retails around $500. Apple couldn't get a bezel less 5-5.5" screen in a phone around $400? Even using yesterday's internals, like they do with the budget phones?

I paid $450 for a s9+ new. I've seen s8's for $300

 

[Rocko99991]

I paid $450 for a s9+ new. I've seen s8's for $300

Where?

 

[fairuz]

Sadly, it’s possible it was the smaller one that lagged at the store and it still be a good phone. People in the store don’t take care of anything. I’m sure they could make an iPhone X lag through neglect, all phones seem to work worse when a display unit.

Eh, a good simulation cause it'll get bloated over time even when I use it. I do remember only one phone lagging between the two.

 

[groadyho]

Just curious, does the iPhone have a night mode you can use in any webpage like my s9+? Honest question
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Where?

I'll have to find it again. Someone had a sale on them. I got my s9+ from att when they had a bogo I paid cash and got 1/2 off.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

So one person would fork over 1k. But what about the rest of the Subaru/SE I don’t want any changes crowd?

Lol. I have two Suby’s and would never be interested in any version of the SE.. I love my iPhone X

 

[Michael Goff]

Eh, a good simulation cause it'll get bloated over time even when I use it. I do remember only one phone lagging between the two.

As a person using a modern Android phone, Pixel 2XL doesn’t just get slower over time. Something is wrong with it if it just slows down.