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iPhone SE 4 Expected to Depreciate Heavily
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Oh right, the current MacBooks have it too; almost forgot about those! And also the most current iPads; though it makes me wonder when they'll finally pull the plug on touch ID for the iPad side of things as the Pros have gone all in on Face ID.
"iPhone SE, which launched in March 2022, experienced a significant drop in resale value, losing 42.6% within the first month post-launch."
iPhone SE 3 2022 128GB had $499 price. This is misinformation, can not be true because several months in 2023 when I was looking for used iPhone SE 3 2022 release 128GB unlock; I could not find even for $325. It was selling above $400. So, may be 33% drop for used after several months. So, iPhone does not lose it's value like this article is mentioning.
iPhone SE 3 2022 128GB had $499 price. This is misinformation, can not be true because several months in 2023 when I was looking for used iPhone SE 3 2022 release 128GB unlock; I could not find even for $325. It was selling above $400. So, may be 33% drop for used after several months. So, iPhone does not lose it's value like this article is mentioning.
... meanwhile, my perfectly fine 12 Mini has a trade-in value at Apple Store of $200, while their Refurb store will try and sell the same thing for around $800.
Value in eye of beholder.
Value in eye of beholder.
Just a weird article all the way around. More like obsessing about the price, without any consideration of the use value.
The article does a lot of cherry picking and mixing and matching numbers that are not exactly comparable. The data tables are more telling, and the bottom line is that by the end of the 2nd year, the phones in the comparison will have lost over half of their value.
Yes, the SE loses its value a lot faster within the first few months (for iPhone SE buyers, who's going to sell it less than a year after purchasing?).
By the time each model has been out for a year, the gap is a lot closer.
iPhone SE (2022) -64.4%
iPhone SE (2022) -54.3%
iPhone 14 -42.7%
iPhone 13 -43.4%
And by the end of 18 months
iPhone SE (2022) -64.7%
iPhone SE (2020) -55.2%
iPhone 14 -50%
The whole point of the SE is a low entry price point with long-term compatibility. Using a then-current SoC and cellular modem ensures the long-term compatibility. Reusing a design that dates back to 2014 with older parts across the rest of the device and continuing to operate a long-ago amortized production line keeps the price low and the margins high. The SE is a commodified device that happens to come with what was a current chip inside at the time of introduction.
As someone who owned both a 2020 and 2022 SE, I like that the device stays current in the ways that are necessary, and has everything that I need and nothing that I don't (e.g., highly spec'd camera [I use a detachable lens camera with flash triggers for setup shots], big screen [prefer smaller size for easy pocketability and one-handed operation], or luxury materials on the casing [I've dropped my phone too many times to trust myself with an exposed glass-embalmed titanium case]). Plus, for me the Touch ID home button is a feature, not a bug. Again, that's use value for me, even if it's depreciation for someone else.
The article does a lot of cherry picking and mixing and matching numbers that are not exactly comparable. The data tables are more telling, and the bottom line is that by the end of the 2nd year, the phones in the comparison will have lost over half of their value.
Yes, the SE loses its value a lot faster within the first few months (for iPhone SE buyers, who's going to sell it less than a year after purchasing?).
By the time each model has been out for a year, the gap is a lot closer.
iPhone SE (2022) -64.4%
iPhone SE (2022) -54.3%
iPhone 14 -42.7%
iPhone 13 -43.4%
And by the end of 18 months
iPhone SE (2022) -64.7%
iPhone SE (2020) -55.2%
iPhone 14 -50%
The whole point of the SE is a low entry price point with long-term compatibility. Using a then-current SoC and cellular modem ensures the long-term compatibility. Reusing a design that dates back to 2014 with older parts across the rest of the device and continuing to operate a long-ago amortized production line keeps the price low and the margins high. The SE is a commodified device that happens to come with what was a current chip inside at the time of introduction.
As someone who owned both a 2020 and 2022 SE, I like that the device stays current in the ways that are necessary, and has everything that I need and nothing that I don't (e.g., highly spec'd camera [I use a detachable lens camera with flash triggers for setup shots], big screen [prefer smaller size for easy pocketability and one-handed operation], or luxury materials on the casing [I've dropped my phone too many times to trust myself with an exposed glass-embalmed titanium case]). Plus, for me the Touch ID home button is a feature, not a bug. Again, that's use value for me, even if it's depreciation for someone else.
Oh wow great job in pulling up one definition of a word that has multiple definitions. Must be the author of the article is only allowed to use the definition you pulled up?
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This feature….. has existed over 10 years ago…. And your saying it’s not a bug??????
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my partner and myself both just upgraded from OG SEs to SE3s, and have much the same attitude - don't like the ergonomics of the larger screen compared to the older phone & will not buy an iPhone without TouchID. Sadly, iOS 15 & bluetooth pretty much killed the original SE's performance and battery life, because it was a much nicer device in the hand (and we'd get consistent "OMG what a cool small phone" comments from cashiers in shops etc).
I really wish instead of "reachability", they'd just made the UI screen-bottom-centric for navigation etc.
I really wish instead of "reachability", they'd just made the UI screen-bottom-centric for navigation etc.
People on the cutting edge would feel that every iPhone is "worthless" once it stops receiving software updates.
All that matters is what YOUR needs are. An item's value depends on what you need it for. If it still serves the purpose then it's not worthless.
All that matters is what YOUR needs are. An item's value depends on what you need it for. If it still serves the purpose then it's not worthless.
As someone who received an SE1 still on iOS 10 this week, I can confirm.
iOS has become a bloated pig piece of software.
It’s sad honestly
It’s shocking how fast and responsive ios10 is on this SE1
Every iPhone SE has been based on a superseded design. So, I would be very surprised if SE4 used the iPhone 14 design--this would be a departure from the status quo.
If Apple makes the phone too modern looking, indiscriminating / less tech savvy people will simply buy the cheapest one.
If Apple makes the phone too modern looking, indiscriminating / less tech savvy people will simply buy the cheapest one.
I'm pretty sure it's discriminating / smarter, less-prone-to-fads-and-promotional-hype people who will simply buy the cheapest one. It's a tightrope for Apple.
The second generation iPhone SE was based on the iPhone 8 which was from a little over 2 1/2 years earlier. If the fourth generation iPhone SE is based on the iPhone 14 and launches in March 2025, it too would be based on a phone from about 2 1/2 years earlier.
For a truly older design, they'd have to stick with the iPhone 8 which is what the current SE is already based on.
I have always had the "home button" phones. I prefer the traditional design with the smaller size, phablets aren't my style.
I hear you on the Home button and overall size, but I'm okay with Mini 12 I now have. Smallish real estate overall, but more usable screen - and still fits entirely in pocket. Pity that all rumours out for next SE suggests it heading towards the phablet and not the Mini 13 in size.
Remember when Apple sold iPhones for $99 and $199?
I miss those years. You know, when iPhones were phones and not investment objects.
I miss those years. You know, when iPhones were phones and not investment objects.
Those were carrier subsidized phones that required two year contracts. The "no contract" prices were much higher.
There are still similar offers available today. For example, you can get a new iPhone SE from AT&T for just $71.64 ($1.99/month) or a new iPhone 14 for just $215.64 ($5.99/month) with discounts spread over 36 months.
If Apple does ditch the home button, look for the new SE to cannibalize sales of the newer and more expensive phones.
I don't expect Apple to use the 6/7/8 design forever and you will always have the enthusiasts that demand the latest product. However, if the SE looks too good and operates too well, the more expensive phones become a hard sell. This is precisely why I believe the iPhone 13 Mini was discontinued.
The previous two SE were released at a great price/value with the understanding you were getting an older design. SE1 was based on the iPhone 5 while SE 2/3 were based on the iPhone 8.
Glad I'm not the one charged with making the decisions at Apple.
I just stopped using my original SE a few months ago (when it got smashed). I'd say that was a damned good investment.
From Apple's current offerings, there are only gimped barges the size of a TV tray. I'm gonna go long on cargo-short companies and short on condom manufacturers... which is really the opposite way you want to go on both.
From Apple's current offerings, there are only gimped barges the size of a TV tray. I'm gonna go long on cargo-short companies and short on condom manufacturers... which is really the opposite way you want to go on both.
I’ll wait till they get their act together on the telephoto camera before I throw an extra thousand bucks away.
As long as it functions as an actual phone, that’s good enough for now.