This is a pretty big surprise; I really thought the new SE would just re-use the iPhone 13 mini design. 😮
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iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Feature Action Button, USB-C, Face ID, and More
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I hope this happens but honestly I think they should kill the 15 plus and reduce the price of regular size pro.
The iPhone 14 Pro cost 1.321,60 € after tax in Spain, it is insane, it is almost 1/12 annual median salary
That's due to the weak Euro. Price has been unchanged since the iPhone X in the US.
I miss the only premium Apple. Two phones just different sizes. Go to android for the cheap stuff.
No one is making you buy an SE. If you want a premium iPhone buy one. Some people prefer a cheaper smaller offering for iOS.
No it is corporate greed, 1.321,60€ are 1.449,07$. Difference is $450 too much to blame the weak euro and taxes.
How much is an iPhone 15 pro after tax in the US?
Iphone 13 mini is $629.00 vs 811,60 € after tax which are $889,88. Difference is $260.
Also in Europe we pay more for less (other parts of the world would be worse) as we don't have many apple services.
If they are losing sales is because of a confusing lineup and price increases outside US.
I didn't say it wasn't recycled, I said it wasn't a 5 year old design. The last regular iPhone with the iPhone 5 design was the 5s just over two years prior to the SE, while the iPhone 8 or 6 style design used in the SE 3 is relatively much older. The current SE has been held back a lot more than the original and has worse battery life as a result.
EUR 1.321,60 / 1,21 (VAT) = EUR 1.092,23 (without tax) = USD 1.092,23 at exchange rate when iPhone 14 Pro was announced on 7 September. This gives Apple a 9,3% exchange rate buffer.
EUR 811,60 / 1,21 (VAT) = EUR 670,74 (without) tax = USD 670,74, giving a 6,6% exchange rate buffer.
Again, iPhone 13 mini is not so cheap to produce, so it does not make much sense for Apple to suddenly drop it to under a 500$ bracket.
The previous rumours for SE were suggesting it could be based on iPhone XR, so still a notch, one camera and a fresher SoC. This could work for Apple and would make much more sense rather than basing it on iPhone 14, IMHO.
On the positive side, in Europe we have a two-year warranty, while in the US it is one year only. When we consider that the cheapest AppleCare+ plan is 12.49€/m = 149.88€/y, this is not so bad.
It won't. That's like McDonald's giving you a free Sundae with your $3 purchase but those who spend $6 dollars on a meal get no free ice cream.
That's not how you get customers to spend more. Ridiculous.
If SE 4th Gen does in fact get the Action Button then it's only because either mid-range iPhones 15 or mid-range iPhones 16 have already gotten them before SE 4th Gen. drops.
I'm putting my money on the Action Button being exclusive to iPhones 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max this year. Mid-range 16 and 16 Plus get the Action Button in 2024, and SE 4Th Gen. with Action Button drops in Q2 2025 (but no Dynamic Island).
That means no new SE in Q2 2024.
I wouldn't call it an "obsession" but many people very much like the idea of a larger screen that doesn't necessarily have to mean a physically larger device. This is what can be achieved through small(er) bezels.
Not having a physical keyboard was similarly appealing for many, although not all, as it allowed for a larger screen without having to increase the overall device size.
The SE's are great value for money. Now if only they had better battery life...
By the time the next SE launches (2025), the iPhone 16 should’ve been released with the action button.
Unless you’re a light user, the current SE is a poor choice because of the battery life.
You can't compare prices in Spain with VAT/fees against prices in the U.S. without sales tax. Apple isn't responsible for and shouldn't be blamed for what governments may charge in taxes.
The pre-VAT/fee price of the 14 Pro in Spain was around €1,086 which at time of launch was equal to around $1,086 USD. The pre-sales tax price for the same phone in the U.S. was $999. That's a difference of only around $87.
Also, don't iPhones in EU countries have longer warranties than those in the U.S.? That has added value which makes the price difference even less.
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ZERO chance SE gets any hardware component or feature before the mid-range iPhones get them.
So if this leak is indeed true, then we know for a fact that SE 4th Gen. is dropping in 2025 and not 2024.
I think it’s more a case of standardization so every new iPhone uses it and there’s no difference as least with that part of the user experience among the iPhones being sold. With that being said, I don’t think we’ll see a dual lens setup with the SE model until the mid-tier iPhones get a triple lens setup. In other words, the iPhone 16 and possibly 17 will probably retain the dual lens setup.
The fourth-generation iPhone SE will have an iPhone 15 Pro-style Action Button, among several other significant new features, according to the leaker known as "Unknownz21."
Earlier this week, the leaker described the fourth-generation iPhone SE as "effectively an iPhone 14 derivative," echoing previous reports from the likes of Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
In their latest tweet, Unknownz21 provides some new details about Apple's next low-cost iPhone and reiterates that its design will be based on the iPhone 14. The device will apparently feature a USB-C port, moving the iPhone SE away from Lightning for the first time. It will also purportedly have Face ID, dispelling previous rumors that the iPhone SE could retain a Touch ID button.
Most interestingly, they claim that the device will sport an Action Button like the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max. This would be a clear differentiator between the iPhone SE and the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, which are not expected to offer the feature. The iPhone SE will also reportedly retain a single rear camera setup like the current model.
Earlier this week, it was reported that manufacturers are currently bidding to receive orders from Apple for the fourth-generation iPhone SE's OLED display panels, which would be a significant upgrade over the existing model's LCD. The next-generation iPhone SE is also believed to be among the first to contain Apple's long-rumored custom 5G modem. It is not expected to launch until 2025.
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2025 is a ways off...
Hard to believe Apple would go that long without *any* update.
I wonder if we may see a slight spec bump SE 3.5 before that?
Keep the iPhone 8 SE2 SE3 design, but boost the storage options, switch to USB-C? Maybe a upgraded CPU? Or maybe improved cameras?
I'd buy two day of release.
We'll see...
But 2025 and no updates to the SE before? Really? Hard to believe...
The Action button doesn’t make much sense as a “Pro” upsell either. It will probably turn out to be a minor, mostly beneficial feature but would not be a major selling feature. It also is not a change that requires some complex technical solution that can only be justified on the Pros.
If this rumor about the SE having the Action button is true then it only makes sense to include it on the iPhone regular, as well. Someone may have misunderstood a rumor somewhere along the chain.
So no home button anymore? No physical mute switch? It'll be much harder to explain how an iPhone works to all of our parents. Annoying.
And WHY does apple still think FaceID is so good? It's annoying and it drives the price up. TouchID is still way faster and way more reliable...
And WHY does apple still think FaceID is so good? It's annoying and it drives the price up. TouchID is still way faster and way more reliable...