Can anyone really explain what the SE stands for??????? because for God sake there's nothing about Special Edition on this category. Apple Really Messed up on what The SE supposed to be.
The fourth-generation iPhone SE will have an iPhone 15 Pro-style Action Button, among several other significant new features, according to the leaker known as "Unknownz21."
Earlier this week, the leaker described the fourth-generation iPhone SE as "effectively an iPhone 14 derivative," echoing previous reports from the likes of Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
In their latest tweet, Unknownz21 provides some new details about Apple's next low-cost iPhone and reiterates that its design will be based on the iPhone 14. The device will apparently feature a USB-C port, moving the iPhone SE away from Lightning for the first time. It will also purportedly have Face ID, dispelling previous rumors that the iPhone SE could retain a Touch ID button.
Most interestingly, they claim that the device will sport an Action Button like the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max. This would be a clear differentiator between the iPhone SE and the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, which are not expected to offer the feature. The iPhone SE will also reportedly retain a single rear camera setup like the current model.
Earlier this week, it was reported that manufacturers are currently bidding to receive orders from Apple for the fourth-generation iPhone SE's OLED display panels, which would be a significant upgrade over the existing model's LCD. The next-generation iPhone SE is also believed to be among the first to contain Apple's long-rumored custom 5G modem. It is not expected to launch until 2025.
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I wish we had a two-year warranty here in the US on electronics. I had a Sony TV break after a year and an half in 2016. So that’s part of the reason for the higher prices in the EU. I can imagine higher prices in the US if a two-year warranty became the law here.
A mini with updated internals and better battery life would be a great device… I own a 13 mini and it's been serving me perfectly well.
Of course the Minis have longer battery life than the current SE.
This is all rumor...
The fourth-generation iPhone SE will have an iPhone 15 Pro-style Action Button, among several other significant new features, according to the leaker known as "Unknownz21."
Earlier this week, the leaker described the fourth-generation iPhone SE as "effectively an iPhone 14 derivative," echoing previous reports from the likes of Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
In their latest tweet, Unknownz21 provides some new details about Apple's next low-cost iPhone and reiterates that its design will be based on the iPhone 14. The device will apparently feature a USB-C port, moving the iPhone SE away from Lightning for the first time. It will also purportedly have Face ID, dispelling previous rumors that the iPhone SE could retain a Touch ID button.
Most interestingly, they claim that the device will sport an Action Button like the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max. This would be a clear differentiator between the iPhone SE and the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, which are not expected to offer the feature. The iPhone SE will also reportedly retain a single rear camera setup like the current model.
Earlier this week, it was reported that manufacturers are currently bidding to receive orders from Apple for the fourth-generation iPhone SE's OLED display panels, which would be a significant upgrade over the existing model's LCD. The next-generation iPhone SE is also believed to be among the first to contain Apple's long-rumored custom 5G modem. It is not expected to launch until 2025.
Article Link: iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Feature Action Button, USB-C, Face ID, and More
If this is true it's either:
1) They're planning a huge redesign for the regular 16 (as SE is reportedly planned for 2024) so the SE would look outdated next to it and have a clear disadvantage.
2) They want to end Android and are shifting to wanting to capture market share, which they're sure to succeed with through a good SE like that. People prefer iOS. It's most likely starting with 64GB so a good value proposition hardware-wise would make people start considering iPhone. Easy to go up the ladder after that.
Still something in me doesn't believe it.
1) They're planning a huge redesign for the regular 16 (as SE is reportedly planned for 2024) so the SE would look outdated next to it and have a clear disadvantage.
2) They want to end Android and are shifting to wanting to capture market share, which they're sure to succeed with through a good SE like that. People prefer iOS. It's most likely starting with 64GB so a good value proposition hardware-wise would make people start considering iPhone. Easy to go up the ladder after that.
Still something in me doesn't believe it.
The Euro is almost back to normal so I expect them to readjust with the 15.
Thank you all for this argument I did not know that in the US you only have one year warranty. In fact in Spain the law is 3 years of warranty.
I still think the line up is messy, hopefully they simplify this fall.
Whether this particular rather optimistic-seeming set of features is accurate or not, it seems pretty clear that the next SE is going to be in the "modern" style of iPhone, which is great for people who are looking for the cheapest new iPhone, and is really going to suck for the "change-averse" category of users who I've long felt the SE was actually targeted at.
I'm calling them "change averse" because there are absolutely younger folks out there who still look at all-screen, home-button-less phones, and think "What was wrong with the old one? Why do I need to buy a new case when this five-year-old one I have is just fine." But for the most part I'm talking about "old people phones."
In that, I know older folks who are regular iPhone users but are just barely hanging on technologically. If you set everything up for them in advance, and explain once in a while "No, you don't have hackers, that's a scam email and the app icon just changed because it was updated," they're happy enough with their phone and can keep using it.
When their crusty old 6E finally gave up the ghost, or they drop it and it breaks, they not only really want "whatever it was I had before," but the mental change from pushing the button at the bottom to swiping up is way more of a barrier than us younger folks would expect it to be.
I absolutely loved the old-school SE for that reason--I could just say "Here, get this. It's the cheapest one and it looks exactly like what you're used to, but the guts are brand new so it's much faster and is going to last another 5-7 years." They were happy, I was happy, and they had a brand new phone with years of software updates in its future that felt familiar and they didn't have to re-learn how to use.
Maybe Apple was internally targeting those users intentionally (as I suspect) or maybe it was a happy accident of value engineering, but in either case when the current SE goes away, that option will go with it.
I'm not faulting Apple for the loss--I'll freely admit that this category of user is by definition shrinking, since essentially no one new will join it and its members are either deciding to give the modern world a go or dying. So even if it was intentional, perhaps Apple has decided it's just not worth keeping around as a product category.
Still, I lament it, and wonder what will happen when those same users' phones inevitably break at some point.
I really wish Apple would produce an iPhone SSE (or whatever) that looks exactly like the old one but has an upgraded CPU and cell modem to keep it current for folks who actually want the retro style.
I'm calling them "change averse" because there are absolutely younger folks out there who still look at all-screen, home-button-less phones, and think "What was wrong with the old one? Why do I need to buy a new case when this five-year-old one I have is just fine." But for the most part I'm talking about "old people phones."
In that, I know older folks who are regular iPhone users but are just barely hanging on technologically. If you set everything up for them in advance, and explain once in a while "No, you don't have hackers, that's a scam email and the app icon just changed because it was updated," they're happy enough with their phone and can keep using it.
When their crusty old 6E finally gave up the ghost, or they drop it and it breaks, they not only really want "whatever it was I had before," but the mental change from pushing the button at the bottom to swiping up is way more of a barrier than us younger folks would expect it to be.
I absolutely loved the old-school SE for that reason--I could just say "Here, get this. It's the cheapest one and it looks exactly like what you're used to, but the guts are brand new so it's much faster and is going to last another 5-7 years." They were happy, I was happy, and they had a brand new phone with years of software updates in its future that felt familiar and they didn't have to re-learn how to use.
Maybe Apple was internally targeting those users intentionally (as I suspect) or maybe it was a happy accident of value engineering, but in either case when the current SE goes away, that option will go with it.
I'm not faulting Apple for the loss--I'll freely admit that this category of user is by definition shrinking, since essentially no one new will join it and its members are either deciding to give the modern world a go or dying. So even if it was intentional, perhaps Apple has decided it's just not worth keeping around as a product category.
Still, I lament it, and wonder what will happen when those same users' phones inevitably break at some point.
I really wish Apple would produce an iPhone SSE (or whatever) that looks exactly like the old one but has an upgraded CPU and cell modem to keep it current for folks who actually want the retro style.
Many credit cards extend the manufacturer's warranty. For example, American Express doubles it from one year to two. (I don't know how this applies in places with longer warranties.)
Two possibilities:
- Fake rumor. Apple would not put a currently premium-exclusive feature like the Action Button on the SE.
- True rumor. Taking the above into consideration and what we know about the iPhone 15, it would mean that (a) the non-Pro iPhone 16 would incorporate the Action Button and (b) it would be released along with or after the iPhone 16.
- Fake rumor. Apple would not put a currently premium-exclusive feature like the Action Button on the SE.
- True rumor. Taking the above into consideration and what we know about the iPhone 15, it would mean that (a) the non-Pro iPhone 16 would incorporate the Action Button and (b) it would be released along with or after the iPhone 16.
iPhone Seniors Edition
Key question: what will be the size of the phone? I don’t really care about thickness. I’ve had the SE 2016 and 2020, now using the 13 mini as it’s even smaller than the SE.
“The ‘S’ stands for ‘Senior’.”
They of course wouldn't (and shouldn't) call it that, but that's a pretty darned good name for it.
The iPhone version of those as-seen-on-TV phones from the '90s with the huge buttons, or the Jitterbug from the '00s.
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Yeah, I know bro, I know xD
Hopefully they will decrease the prices, even if slightly, in Spain and other European countries as the Euro is now stronger than past year.
If you get the SE, you will recognised by having the poverty pack by having the notch not the pill.
Apple should ditch the notch across all its product lines, the notch is dead now.
Apple should ditch the notch across all its product lines, the notch is dead now.
Hard to tell, however we also need to remember that the Plus is more expensive, so even with the lower sales numbers it might actually be giving Apple more profit.
Also, Apple are still selling 13 mini, so if it gets discontinued this September it will have still had three years of sales. Plus, on the other hand, be reaching the end of its first year soon, so Apple may not want to write it off it just yet, even though they might adjust their order numbers according to the demand.
I think some people liked the mini iPhones. The problem is the numbers of sales didn’t support Apple producing them as sales faltered badly.
The iPhone SE represents the least expensive entry into a brand-new iPhone. So what you’re talking about is Apple bringing something back whereas what the iPhone SE is as a current model is a less than the other iPhones for a far lower price. It’s an entry-level device.
I agree, that Apple could put an iPhone mini into a cycle of maybe every three or four years. I actually think it may be a better way for Apple to sell this cash cow. Hear me out.
Apple introduces a new iPhone Pro one year along with a Pro Max. The next year new regular iPhones. The third year, a new iPhone SE and mini. Create a rotational model where Apple upgrades as true innovation can be introduced every few years. It doesn’t need to be this structured, but the point is there truly isn’t enough being added every year for the people to want to update every model. And the one thing that may get someone to buy should be more of a group of things.
This could allow Apple to reduce development costs of adding a few features every year. When the iPhone was considered a Star product, it made sense to update it annually. But as a cash cow, it really would make more sense to surprise people.
I also believe Apple should offer an “ultra” model that has more than just the Pro models. What I would like to see here is substantial add-ons that improve the experience. Better camera? Massive battery? Display technology that’s completely different than the other models? Something for those of us who want more. Make it a display with no interruptions. No notches or anything like that. FaceID if necessary under the display. Camera, if necessary, under the display. A purist iPhone. Sure it wouldn’t sell as many, but I say make it a high-end/high-cost device. Build it in the free world and there are a subset of us who would buy it at 5x the price.
In this model of selling its cash cow, it could surprise people. Increase real performance of a new SoC. Real improvements in RAM. Actual new technologies all in one device. Super cycle it. Whether a buyer looks for the cheapest model or the everything version, there’s a real reason to buy and a real reason to upgrade every three years. I believe this would truly result in more profitability from iPhones also.
Then, work on the real problems of the iOS experience. Say you start with an A20 SoC in the Pro devices, you optimize that and sell that SoC for at least three years of versions. So, you keep Improving the software experience by taking an approach of removing all the bugs relentlessly. If you want to market the iPhone as a secure device, truly make it secure.
And for those people who say they want something new annually, I am not saying Apple can’t do color changes. A lot of people who buy every year don’t really get anything different except a color they like that shows off they have the newest device.
What I am saying is strategically, Apple could be doing massively better in both profitability and user experience by taking a different approach. It would create year after year of super cycles for iPhone based on the people targeted and by having real reasons for each group of iPhone buyers to upgrade.
This would allow real hardware changes all at once instead of a nickel-and-dime strategy with customers who really only get a new color and a few features that could have been put on the device to begin with but Apple saved them all up to get a few new sales each year.
There would be no more debating do I upgrade this year? No, Pro users would definitely upgrade. All the rest probably upgrade but the Pro models and the Ultra model thrown in one of the off-Pro years would allow Apple to capitalize.
What do you think? What iPhone do you currently have? Would you upgrade for certain every three years to get all of the features you would have got over three years? Would you update as a Pro user to get the new Purple color-way edition?
What does Apple's dumb "i" stand for in front of entire product lines?
Or Touch ID and a headphone jack. Two things with great value that Apple shìtcanned for no customer-serving reason.
that “i” branding was only used on a few products 15-20 years ago. They stopped branding new products that way many years ago. Only a few product lines still exist from that period.
Apple only made a few products 15-20 years ago, and the point remains: It was stupid then and it's stupid now. Apple continues to use it, despite having changed the name of other products. iTunes is still iTunes, but now it's called Music. Yet we still have iMac and iPhone.
Ok so Apple is basically ruining SE concept/original idea. I don’t need any action buttons. I just need small iPhone with decent enough specs for normal use for lower price. Preferably with LCD screen, without PWM problems… 