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The total price of the package is what matters, not just the price of the phone, which by itself is irrelevant.

I appreciate the depth of thinking that you're putting into this but bear in mind one thing: price will be absolutely irrelevant if Apple nails the cool factor and gets teenagers and young adults on board. Leo Laporte hit it on the head in the last episode of This Week in Tech. There are loads of moms and dads out there with lots of cash to spend keeping their kids happy, and the iPhone only needs to succeed there in the same way the iPod did (and hell, since it's the next big step of the iPod and the iPod is still a hot item, they're halfway there.)

I see people bringing this topic up but I really doubt the price of the iPhone or its contract is going to be a barrier to its success.

And I'm fine with that. The more spoiled, rich kids who get an iPhone, the quicker Apple can bring the cost down or introduce lower priced models for those of us for whom price is an issue.
 
if you were planning to sell it in July then maybe you'd have a problem but if you keep it for ten years or longer like most shareholders used to. You will have a very nice nest egg.

My mom's stock is still at 15% of it's 1999 value. It's all about timing.
 
That's something Microsoft and others have been criticized for. I do NOT want to see Apple make the same mistake. There's a book on this very mistake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

Doubling the number of programmers or engineers does NOT halve the time to complete a project--especially when they are dumped in after the fact. Throwing late staff additions at a product can actually reduce quality and make the project even more behind until features have to be cut.

"Assigning more programmers to a project running behind schedule will make it even later, due to the time required for the new programmers to learn about the project, as well as the increased communication overhead."


Plus i think apple would want to keep as much of the info on there products indoors, hiring paople for a period of time will not work then.
 
See you in 2008. Seriously, release things when they are promised. If Apple would, from the onset, add three months to their 'original' ship estimates and then release things *cough* early, Steve would look like a hero, and the stock would soar. Just a thought.

Oh get over it. Apple usually does ship things on time. Given that we just watched them switch their entire computer line-up and OS over to a new processor (not exactly a trivial undertaking) several months ahead of schedule, I'd say they deserve a pass on slipping a few times here and there. Criminy, I love Macs, but Mac fans can be ridiculously demanding at times. "OMFG! I have to wait three months longer for Leopard. It's the end of the world!" Boo hoo.
 
And so it follows. The world comes to a screeching halt, Apple is woefully late on all of their future products, and mac fans everywhere will be given special Kool-Aid at the next WWDC. Whoda thunk it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, as mentioned before, Apple did shift their entire lineup to Intel processors in a relatively short amount of time, and ahead of schedule. They gave very welcome upgrades to their laptop line. But then a product or two are a projected to be a little behind, and suddenly Apple has betrayed us all, despite the fact that neither of the release dates have even passed yet!

The increase in the rate of mass adoption of new technology and the buzz from rumors and pre-announcements sure does attract impatient crybabies
 
this is just great

apple delays leopard and now the iPhone

apple really needs to stick to what they say


Or maybe, just maybe you need to remind yourself that these are all just "RUMOR" sites that print r u m o r s. This isnt an Apple site that prints truths, Its only what they THINK may happen and in 80% of the cases they are wrong. So dont fret and remember GRAIN OF SALT, my good man. Grain of salt.
 
See you in 2008. Seriously, release things when they are promised. If Apple would, from the onset, add three months to their 'original' ship estimates and then release things *cough* early, Steve would look like a hero, and the stock would soar. Just a thought.

My, how little you understand about stock prices. This is just silly.
 
I don't think that they will delay the iPhone beyond June. I'm confident of this. Apple has already received so much praise from the press that being late would be a mistake. As much as it is important to get it right (without bugs), it is important for them to be on time. Entering a mature market (cell phones) is a huge gamble for Apple. They gotta make sure the iPhone is insanely great and insanely punctual.
 
They never said ready june 11th, just ready in june. Since they also reconfirmed that in their recent press release I bet they will realease it on time (in June) since i can't wait to get my hands on one, june does still feel like a long time

Umm, did the Apple statement said June or end of June?
I got the impression from somewhere that they were targetting end of June.

There was also some rumor about a change to the screen material, this may or may not have something to do with that.

Your guess is as good as mine, LOL.
 
They gotta make sure the iPhone is insanely great and insanely punctual.

With "great" being the more important of the two, if anything should interfere with achieving both :)

Remember, many members of the press will be standing by ready to blast the iPhone and turn the slightest hint of anything into a huge "crisis."

Two isolated reports of people having to turn their phone off and back on to make the letter "g" look smooth would become "Increasing reports of display bugs with Apple's risky iPhone experiment: Can the once-respected maker of music players survive yet another blunder?" :rolleyes:

And of course there WILL be such problems. There will be flat-out hardware failures, some experienced by more than one person--and fixed of course under warranty. Furthermore there will be scratches because the iPhone is not made of magic. So, Apple doesn't need to give the press any more fodder for abuse than it can help.
 
Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!

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Maybe I'm an exception to the rule but.....

I am *really* excited about Leopard and the iPhone but I figure they come out when they come out. I'd rather they were both released tomorrow but the fact that it isn't 'gonna happen doesn't diminish my excitement one iota.
 
What you said is absurd. Apple being responsible for their own products ship time is not.

Look, I'm not trying to get into a tit-for-tat arguement here, but did you even read what I wrote in that post? You left out everything about the companies that supply Apple with all the chips it needs to produce its products.

Granted, it's a non-issue since the supply chain isn't at fault here, but you can't possibly tell me that Apple is the ONLY one responsible for whether or not their hardware ships on time. Apple is entirely dependent on other companies to supply chips and parts needed for Apple's wide variety of products. Apple can't force IBM to magically produce 3Ghz G5's if IBM simply can't do it. Likewise, if there are delays in fabrication or transport, Apple is forced to delay products until those parts become available. Apple itself has no control over those issues.
 
With "great" being the more important of the two, if anything should interfere with achieving both :)

I just think that, (and someone else has already said this), they'll remove extra features rather than delay shipment. Besides, we don't even know all of the planned features, so how easy it would be to shelve some we don't know about. That would be the best way to arrive on time, without a buggy product. Then there's no bad press (except, like you said, maybe hardware, like scratches on the screen).
 
Update 2: A speculative Mac Observer post by John Martellaro (ex-Apple employee) attributes some of the timeline issues to poor staffing by Apple.

Apple, despite being a large and wealthy company these days with likely more than 18,000 employees, is actually a very lean organization. And that lean configuration has been maintained, even though the demands of the iPhone, the Apple TV and Leopard would have suggested a moderate increase in staffing. Despite all better judgment, Apple hates to ramp up to meet these kinds of expansions in the product profile.

This sounds like a likely explanation, given that Apple (and its CEO) is an entity that likes to keep tight quality control on all its projects. I could see how Steve and the upper management might see temporary staffing up as a risk of getting a little fatter, a little slower, and losing a bit of control as more new hands touch a project. Clearly, their preference to stay lean despite larger demands is not a "prudent" approach in a strict business, speed-to-market sense. But when has Apple ever done anything based on a conventional business outlook?

At the end of the day, I trust however they see fit to proceed. They have more than earned the benefit of all doubts.
 
Puleeez!

this is just great

apple delays leopard and now the iPhone

apple really needs to stick to what they say

I challenge anyone to show me a SINGLE place where Apple has given a specific date for the release of the iPhone beyond "end of June". If they never gave a date, then how could they have "delayed" it now? So, if they never "said it", then why do they "need to really stick to what they say"?

Stop being so damn naive. Just because you read a rumor on the Internet, doesn't make it true.

"It must be true! I read it on the Internet!" :rolleyes:
 
That's something Microsoft and others have been criticized for. I do NOT want to see Apple make the same mistake. There's a book on this very mistake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

Doubling the number of programmers or engineers does NOT halve the time to complete a project--especially when they are dumped in after the fact. Throwing late staff additions at a product can actually reduce quality and make the project even more behind until features have to be cut.

"Assigning more programmers to a project running behind schedule will make it even later, due to the time required for the new programmers to learn about the project, as well as the increased communication overhead."

Very true, however assigning the right number at the start of the project and dividing the work properly, helps projects stay on time. If they run too lean, they can easily get in trouble, which correctly or not may have happend here by all apearances.
 
Now long term do I think the iPhone will rock? Yes. Sure. No doubt. But I want to see two things. Real world use of this thing by real people and Apple get some real experience under their belt. Wake me on G 2.0. Actually maybe even G 3.0.

My sister recently went into a Apple store in Phoenix. An Apple employee there told her not to buy the iphone when it comes out because its version 1.0. On one hand you gotta appreciate that Apple employees (being more non-conformist than others) feel that free to speak their mind.

On the other hand he is only a store employee and it does seem like Apple is making serious efforts to raise the quality of the iPhone toward a viable and solid version 1 product. I guess will have to wait and see.

And please everyone no more execuses for apple's delays. ITS NOT THE SUPPLIERS!!! My personal preference is to avoid execuses like -> "apple is not so bad because look how bad microsoft is." Apple needs to grow it's employee base vigorously if it is going to be a serious player in now three giant markets ComputersMusic PlayersMobile Phones.
 
uhhh, late june isn't late. They said it's being released in June.

and I LOVE the line:

"Our analysis indicates that if not for the 'secret' features, the core Leopard operating system would likely have shipped on time."

it's like saying "if they didn't put any new features in, then it would be shipped on time" the bugs in the seeds are in regards to what we already know is going into it.
 
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