It is interesting to observe how the tone of the comments and replies change as the sunrise spreads from the east to the west and people log on to their computers.
For example Xiaomi is not low quality, they make a sh*tload of different electronic products and those products are usually bang for $. Go look at latest Oppo flagship (MKBHD video), looks awesome. If Apple Watch was independent product I would try Android phone again.That literally goes against the entire ethos of iOS and I hope it never happens
they don’t.
Exactly.
I love Chinese products but every time I buy something from china be it electronic or clothes it’s low quality and doesn’t last lok.
Besides Android is usually terrible on older hardware.
2015 would like their talking points back.Most of them copy Apple (Oppo even blatantly copies IOS), so how have they surpassed Apple?
They probably remove some of the bugs during the copying 😁Most of them copy Apple (Oppo even blatantly copies IOS), so how have they surpassed Apple?
There are also similarities. The only two in their field making profits from their core business. So there is that as well. Both have the same philosophy: don’t sacrifice the long term for the short term.2 behemoths - Apple and Tesla - falling in rising markets. Not just losing share but actually falling.
Okay, there are some pretty stark differences in the CEO's, but are there similarities between their models that could be causing this?
I wish some of these phones from Vivo and OPPO were available through cellular carriers in the US!And it is only gonna get „worse“. I was in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong recently and the hardware of these phones there make iPhone look like the Nokia of 2025. Needless to say, I returned with my first ever Oppo device (not even sold here in Germany).
Apple is lucky they got most people in the west hooked on their locked in ecosystem
There are also similarities. The only two in their field making profits from their core business. So there is that as well. Both have the same philosophy: don’t sacrifice the long term for the short term.
If it is still true ...2015 would like their talking points back.
You are comparing apples to oranges. One thing they do share is their direct competitors in China are receiving significant government subsidies enabling them to undercut price wise. Although they seem to be evaporating everywhere at the moment, free trade and fair markets are rapidly disappearing globally. Consumer preference driven by subsidies and market interference paints a distorted picture and data that does not accurately represent manufacturers. It seems pretty clear a large portion of Apple's lost market share is driven by the subsidies.2 behemoths - Apple and Tesla - falling in rising markets. Not just losing share but actually falling.
Okay, there are some pretty stark differences in the CEO's, but are there similarities between their models that could be causing this?
I mean I have no interest in anything remotely Android. It’s a terrible Os.For example Xiaomi is not low quality, they make a sh*tload of different electronic products and those products are usually bang for $. Go look at latest Oppo flagship (MKBHD video), looks awesome. If Apple Watch was independent product I would try Android phone again.
Apple has lost that design maverick ethos they had under Steve Jobs. Everything is too safe, minor iterative upgrades with nothing too radical. You could even say they have become boring and predictable under Tim Cook.
This is something I wish Android manufacturers would catch up with Apple. Alas android manufacturers seems focused on adding crazy features that might or might not appeal to users. I don't care for folding phones, but there are millions who do. I don't care about wrap around display, but other do. I require root access, but the vast majority don't care. Choice is good.🤗Even though Apple devices have the fastest chips and FaceID that is more secure than other companies Authentication they are lagging behind other companies hardware….does that not sound ridiculous?
Cameras. A lot of Chinese phones have 1" sensors (and comically oversized lens). They have zoom out the wazoo. We've been hearing about telescope zoom from Apple for years now. I doubt they can match the android camera offerings unless they make the iPhone thicker. I like 'em thicc.😘I’m not saying there aren’t some really nice options if iOS is boring to you, but with the exception of folding devices I don’t see what metric Apple devices aren’t at least equal.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate that claim?Gentle reminder IDC has never been right with shipment numbers in the past 17 years.
You did say it. I don’t agree with it.Apple has lost that design maverick ethos they had under Steve Jobs. Everything is too safe, minor iterative upgrades with nothing too radical. You could even say they have become boring and predictable under Tim Cook.
There was June article published by Macrumors where the three companies gave their estimates about shipping iPhones or bought iPhones or whatever it was. A small three were off by a huge margin. Clearly we don’t know a “correct” number because Apple doesn’t provide it. Nor do we know the statistical error of these numbers provided by idc.Do you have any evidence to substantiate that claim?
For me the value proposition of apple devices is greater than android. Of course YMMV.As someone who went from Android to IOS and then ran screaming back to Android, I wonder how many of the commenters putting Android down have tried a current android phone. IMO Android is far far ahead of IOS (I am running Android 15, wife has IOS 18.4).