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It is very frustrating when the rest of the phone world is on USB-C and you are over at a friends house and cant charge your phone due to Apple's anti-consumer practices.
 
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TB2 with its 20gbit/s was too slow for what fraction of customers? The 0.0001% of people who are connecting RAID0 SSD arrays or eGPUs or something to their Macs?

Where's your data that only 0.0001% needed TB3?
Apple has been selling plenty of the LG Ultrafine 5k TB3 for one. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/28/lg-ultrafine-display-5k-unavailable/
EGPUs have been selling out too https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/31/blackmagic-egpu-pro-temporarily-unavailable/

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean many others don't. You ignoring the market and making up numbers to suit your argument with 0 evidence to back up your claims.

And I'm pretty sure 0.0001% of the customer base needed more than just two USB ports on their 15" MacBook Pro. USB-C gives them that flexibility.

Like I said, I never even used TB2 cause USB3 was fast enough for me, nor have I known anyone else using TB2. Except for HDMI dongles if one needed to attach multiple displays.

You're placing yourself more important than all other customers for whatever reason. That's a nonsensical argument. You and your friends don't represent the entire MacBook customer base, especially when you haven't bought a new Mac since 2015.



USB-C isn't about TB3, it's about unifying the connectors. Instead of doing the migration like usual, adding it alongside existing ports and letting users switch on their own schedule, Apple removed the ports everyone uses and forced the switch. And now they're going back on it in ways.

It doesn't make sense to continue including USB-A alongside USB-C. What if, during this "migration", you acquired 3 USB-C devices and only have 2 USB-C ports? All of the sudden you need to bring a USB-C female to USB-A male adapter for that 3rd device, introducing a new type of an adapter that doesn't need to exist in the world. PC accessory manufacturers are going to look at the data and see all laptops still have USB-A so there's no reason for them to switch to USB-C. We will be perpetually stuck with USB-A and USB-C ports for several decades.

Apple's decision is sound.
 
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Plug in and unplug all kinds of USB-C stuff every day. Kids iPads, their bluetooth headphones, my iPad, my 2017 MacBook Pro, my wife's Surface Book, my company crummy Dell laptop. Literally our only devices that are lightning are our 2 iPhones and maybe AirPods and it's not super great for my OCD and minimalism. I have to use another power outlet with another brick, there are 2 cords instead of one. It's a little more to remember and pack/unpack when traveling. Lightning cords seem less reliable, based on my own experience. Apple is in such a hurry to ditch old technology - like the headphone jack and legacy USB ports, SD cards - this does not jive.

Pixel time in the fall, I think.
 


Apple will retain the Lightning connector on the iPhone for the "foreseeable future," with no intention of switching to USB-C, according to reliable analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

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In spite of much of the industry moving toward USB-C, Apple will not be using it to replace the Lightning connector on the iPhone 13, or indeed on any iPhone model for the time being. In a note seen by MacRumors yesterday, Kuo explained that Apple is reluctant to move to USB-C since it is a free, open standard, as well as less waterproof than Lightning.



Currently, Apple is able to strictly regulate the quality of Lightning cables and accessories through its Made for iPhone (MFi) program. MFi also generates a significant amount of income for the company since third-party manufacturers have to pay Apple a considerable commission to make Lightning cables or accessories.

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Apple has used the Lightning connector on every iPhone since the iPhone 5 in 2012, but it has transitioned several of its devices to USB-C, including the iPad Pro, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and most recently, the iPad Air. With the need to connect to external drives being less pressing and some USB-C features such as external display connectivity outright impossible on an iPhone, Apple is understandably less motivated to switch to USB-C on its most profitable product for MFi.

Transitioning the iPhone to USB-C this year would also leave a significant number of devices such as the entry-level iPad, iPad mini, AirPods, and a plethora of accessories such as the Magic Trackpad and MagSafe Duo charger, stuck with a connector that would no longer be widely used on any flagship products. Switching the iPhone to USB-C may, therefore, tip the scales against Lightning across Apple's product lineup, potentially forcing the company to phase out the connector entirely across a large number of products sooner than it wants to.

Amid rumors of a portless iPhone, Kuo clarified that Apple is more likely to switch directly to a portless model rather than first change to USB-C:



In spite of this, Kuo stated that MagSafe wireless charging technology is not yet ready to displace a wired port, having only debuted as recently as October 2020 on the iPhone 12 lineup. MagSafe is currently unable to transfer data, complete a device recovery, or take diagnostics, which would seemingly be essential features on a future iPhone with no ports.Overall, this means that Apple is intending to stick with the Lightning connector for the upcoming iPhone 13 at minimum, but could well extend to models beyond that, too.

Kuo's recent spate of reports about the future of the iPhone included the speculation that in 2022, at least some iPhone models will abandon the notch and switch to a "punch-hole display design" instead, and in 2023, Apple may unveil a 7.5–8 inch foldable iPhone.

Article Link: iPhone Sticking With Lightning Port Over USB-C for 'Foreseeable Future'
It looks like, this related to Apple’s plan to use magnetic connector on next MacBook, replacing existing USB C.
 
Anything USB has been trash since inception, and USB-C is no exception. I’m happy they are keeping their Lightning connector. Every USB I’ve ever had started having issues a short time later. The USB ports on my computer are so worn out after a year I don’t even use them no more because of the constant lost connections between my devices and the motherboard.
Original USB provided a standard electrical communication interface so we got aaway from the dozens of incompatible electrical connections and communications that plagued us before. It was not perfect however vastly changed how we connected peripherals and meant a manufacturer could be sure of larger volume sales of its peripheral products. It has since evolved to USB-C which looks to become a universal interface for all devices alongside Bluetooth and WiFi. Apple came up with USB and gave to the computing world.

Why oh why did they go for lightening which appears to be flawed as the exposed connection contacts blacken which appears to be over current possibly the have moisture on them. I have to clean them and if I don’t I often have to flip them over to get a connection or charge. The sooner USB-C replaces the Lightening the better.
 
Where's your data that only 0.0001% needed TB3?
Apple has been selling plenty of the LG Ultrafine 5k TB3 for one. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/28/lg-ultrafine-display-5k-unavailable/
EGPUs have been selling out too https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/31/blackmagic-egpu-pro-temporarily-unavailable/

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean many others don't. You ignoring the market and making up numbers to suit your argument with 0 evidence to back up your claims.

And I'm pretty sure 0.0001% of the customer base needed more than just two USB ports on their 15" MacBook Pro. USB-C gives them that flexibility.

You're placing yourself more important than all other customers for whatever reason. That's a nonsensical argument. You and your friends don't represent the entire MacBook customer base, especially when you haven't bought a new Mac since 2015.
There's no way a sizable user base needed TB at all, let alone TB3 vs 2. eGPUs only, basically. You're suggesting average customers are buying $1200 and $1300 pro accessories. Sold out means higher than expected sales, one of them at the beginning of the pandemic a year ago when the market was weird, not high sales. So no, I'm not placing myself more important than everyone else, you are.

My friends have new Macs and docks like everyone else. They only use those USB-C ports to adapt to other ports. The only thing they're good for if you're not a creative pro.
 
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It doesn't make sense to continue including USB-A alongside USB-C. What if, during this "migration", you acquired 3 USB-C devices and only have 2 USB-C ports? All of the sudden you need to bring a USB-C female to USB-A male adapter for that 3rd device, introducing a new type of an adapter that doesn't need to exist in the world. PC accessory manufacturers are going to look at the data and see all laptops still have USB-A so there's no reason for them to switch to USB-C. We will be perpetually stuck with USB-A and USB-C ports for several decades.

Apple's decision is sound.
This is exactly why USB-C sucks currently, it's hard to find a "splitter" (for lack of a better term) for it. For USB-A, $5 buys you 5 more ports. Give customers an actual improvement, and they will switch, like every port migration of the past.

And yes, we will be stuck with both USB-C and A if they don't fix this. All the more reason to keep my current laptop.
 
Weird. USB-C is used in some form on most of their products. A portless model would be super super slow for those who transfer a lot of data over a cable now.
but honestly not many person transfer a lot of datas over cable anymore. especially on iPhone what much data u want copy since its all synced with iCloud?
 
Magsafe never will be ready for this. It was dead the minute someone came up with this cursed idea.
 
The iPhone will NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, switch to USBC.
As reports have shown, they’ve been interested in removing the port since 2017.
It will happen eventually. They’re not gonna change the port one year, just to remove it the next. If they wanted to switch, they would’ve done it years ago.
Lightning works. It’s not the best, it’s definitely not the most convenient, but they are still putting it on new products today. The AirPods max came out not even a full two months ago, and they still have Lightning.
So to reiterate, as much as I and several others would love it, USBC Will never be added to the iPhone
You have to understand the EU is after this, basically they might squeeze apple into literally switching to usb c or else.
 
FFS You can charge an iPhone without using any cable, so much more convenient.
Disagree. Had wireless charging on my phone, bought a fast charging pad and then ended up selling it. Slower and useless if you want to use while charging. Additionally, if I go on holiday or just anywhere in my house, I need to bring a charging pad just for my phone? May as well bring a lightning charger, or just have my phone use the same charger as everything else...

Also, from an environmental standpoint, wireless charging is horrifically inefficient. If (and when?)iPhones no longer ship with a port and require wireless charging, millions of devices wasting a little bit of power each day
 
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I prefer the lightning connector over USB-C any day. USB-C spec and the durability of the port it not what I had expected. The whole USB-C spec and implementation is a disaster. After all, it was designed by committee.

Apple would make a smart connector for their or remove port altogether.
 
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Disagree. Had wireless charging on my phone, bought a fast charging pad and then ended up selling it. Slower and useless if you want to use while charging. Additionally, if I go on holiday or just anywhere in my house, I need to bring a charging pad just for my phone? May as well bring a lightning charger, or just have my phone use the same charger as everything else...

Also, from an environmental standpoint, wireless charging is horrifically inefficient. If (and when?)iPhones no longer ship with a port and require wireless charging, millions of devices wasting a little bit of power each day

After trying out MagSafe I agree with your statement. Apple legit throttles the charging at a ridiculous rate, it’s all to save your battery of course but they expect everyone to use their phone during the day time and charge it overnight, my phone was trying to maximize my charging hours but it never worked

Two nights in a row my phone was not charged to a 100% after leaving it “overnight”. At the end of the day lightning was the only fast charging method, because Apple’s wording with MagSafe meant that it only fast charged your phone up to 50% of your battery life then it crawled to a 100%.
 
Obviously we need a standard interface for the simplification of connections. I would suggest calling it Standard Computer Systems Interface, or SCSI (pronounced Scuzzy). For more advanced applications, an interface can be used in paralle, It will be groundbreaking.
 
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Every time portless gets brought up, I have to bring up CarPlay. I think Apple would have to make a piece of hardware to accommodate non-wireless CarPlay cars. On some level, I don't mind buying Bluetooth headphones because Apple removes the headphone jack. I will not buy a new car because Apple removes the iPhone port.
wireless CarPlay adapter is no problem to get. https://www.amazon.com/wireless-carplay/s?k=wireless+carplay
 
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Apple 2016: Only 1 port in the macbooks, we are pushing for 1 port to rule them all and brave enough to do it

Apple 2021:
I'm glad. The lightning connector is a lot more durable than USB-C. I honestly think that this is why Apple keeps using it in their highest volume products.

I've seen Macbooks with USB-C where the socket has worn out to such an extent the plug will fall out if you turn it sideways.

I've never seen a lightning connector wear out. At the worst it needs an occasional cleaning.

Yes, it's annoying to have a different connector than my Android friends but honestly, it's not a big deal. I almost always have a cable in my car I can use in an emergency.
 
After trying out MagSafe I agree with your statement. Apple legit throttles the charging at a ridiculous rate, it’s all to save your battery of course but they expect everyone to use their phone during the day time and charge it overnight, my phone was trying to maximize my charging hours but it never worked

Two nights in a row my phone was not charged to a 100% after leaving it “overnight”. At the end of the day lightning was the only fast charging method, because Apple’s wording with MagSafe meant that it only fast charged your phone up to 50% of your battery life then it crawled to a 100%.
Didn't know that was the case, which means with my charging habits, it would never work. I don't charge overnight, I keep my phone between 50% and 80%, only going to 100% when I have a full day ahead of me. I have a few 45W chargers around the house, whenever I'm at 50%, about 15 mins brings me to 80%
 
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It continues to shock me the number of people that actually care what kind of port their iphone has.
Maybe those people have peripherals like docks etc. that use that port and would need to be replaced as well when replacing the phone with a newer model?
 
yes, but not of them are water resistance

I believe that’s beside the point. You can get USB C water resistant ports but none of the devices types that Apple currently produce with usb-c are pocket computers that have that requirement.
 
I know I'll catch flak for saying this, but...

I'm glad. The lightning connector is a lot more durable than USB-C. I honestly think that this is why Apple keeps using it in their highest volume products.

We tend to plug and unplug our phones a lot to charge them, sometimes on a daily basis.

I've seen Macbooks with USB-C where the socket has worn out to such an extent the plug will fall out if you turn it sideways.

I've never seen a lightning connector wear out. At the worst it needs an occasional cleaning.

Yes, it's annoying to have a different connector than my Android friends but honestly, it's not a big deal. I almost always have a cable in my car I can use in an emergency.

I’ve had plenty iPhone models but the ports on two easily wore out in the second year. I agree that USB-C is not looking any better on my devices but while my iPads work for years the ports on my iPhones haven’t been so lucky.
 
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