Better than being kicked out of group chats cause you're turning the bubbles greenIt is very frustrating when the rest of the phone world is on USB-C and you are over at a friends house and cant charge your phone due to Apple's anti-consumer practices.
TB2 with its 20gbit/s was too slow for what fraction of customers? The 0.0001% of people who are connecting RAID0 SSD arrays or eGPUs or something to their Macs?
Like I said, I never even used TB2 cause USB3 was fast enough for me, nor have I known anyone else using TB2. Except for HDMI dongles if one needed to attach multiple displays.
USB-C isn't about TB3, it's about unifying the connectors. Instead of doing the migration like usual, adding it alongside existing ports and letting users switch on their own schedule, Apple removed the ports everyone uses and forced the switch. And now they're going back on it in ways.
It looks like, this related to Apple’s plan to use magnetic connector on next MacBook, replacing existing USB C.
Apple will retain the Lightning connector on the iPhone for the "foreseeable future," with no intention of switching to USB-C, according to reliable analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
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In spite of much of the industry moving toward USB-C, Apple will not be using it to replace the Lightning connector on the iPhone 13, or indeed on any iPhone model for the time being. In a note seen by MacRumors yesterday, Kuo explained that Apple is reluctant to move to USB-C since it is a free, open standard, as well as less waterproof than Lightning.
Currently, Apple is able to strictly regulate the quality of Lightning cables and accessories through its Made for iPhone (MFi) program. MFi also generates a significant amount of income for the company since third-party manufacturers have to pay Apple a considerable commission to make Lightning cables or accessories.
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Apple has used the Lightning connector on every iPhone since the iPhone 5 in 2012, but it has transitioned several of its devices to USB-C, including the iPad Pro, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and most recently, the iPad Air. With the need to connect to external drives being less pressing and some USB-C features such as external display connectivity outright impossible on an iPhone, Apple is understandably less motivated to switch to USB-C on its most profitable product for MFi.
Transitioning the iPhone to USB-C this year would also leave a significant number of devices such as the entry-level iPad, iPad mini, AirPods, and a plethora of accessories such as the Magic Trackpad and MagSafe Duo charger, stuck with a connector that would no longer be widely used on any flagship products. Switching the iPhone to USB-C may, therefore, tip the scales against Lightning across Apple's product lineup, potentially forcing the company to phase out the connector entirely across a large number of products sooner than it wants to.
Amid rumors of a portless iPhone, Kuo clarified that Apple is more likely to switch directly to a portless model rather than first change to USB-C:
In spite of this, Kuo stated that MagSafe wireless charging technology is not yet ready to displace a wired port, having only debuted as recently as October 2020 on the iPhone 12 lineup. MagSafe is currently unable to transfer data, complete a device recovery, or take diagnostics, which would seemingly be essential features on a future iPhone with no ports.Overall, this means that Apple is intending to stick with the Lightning connector for the upcoming iPhone 13 at minimum, but could well extend to models beyond that, too.
Kuo's recent spate of reports about the future of the iPhone included the speculation that in 2022, at least some iPhone models will abandon the notch and switch to a "punch-hole display design" instead, and in 2023, Apple may unveil a 7.5–8 inch foldable iPhone.
Article Link: iPhone Sticking With Lightning Port Over USB-C for 'Foreseeable Future'
Adding MagSafe, USB-C will remain.It looks like, this related to Apple plan to use magnetic connecto on next MacBook, replacing current usb c.
Original USB provided a standard electrical communication interface so we got aaway from the dozens of incompatible electrical connections and communications that plagued us before. It was not perfect however vastly changed how we connected peripherals and meant a manufacturer could be sure of larger volume sales of its peripheral products. It has since evolved to USB-C which looks to become a universal interface for all devices alongside Bluetooth and WiFi. Apple came up with USB and gave to the computing world.Anything USB has been trash since inception, and USB-C is no exception. I’m happy they are keeping their Lightning connector. Every USB I’ve ever had started having issues a short time later. The USB ports on my computer are so worn out after a year I don’t even use them no more because of the constant lost connections between my devices and the motherboard.
There's no way a sizable user base needed TB at all, let alone TB3 vs 2. eGPUs only, basically. You're suggesting average customers are buying $1200 and $1300 pro accessories. Sold out means higher than expected sales, one of them at the beginning of the pandemic a year ago when the market was weird, not high sales. So no, I'm not placing myself more important than everyone else, you are.Where's your data that only 0.0001% needed TB3?
Apple has been selling plenty of the LG Ultrafine 5k TB3 for one. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/28/lg-ultrafine-display-5k-unavailable/
EGPUs have been selling out too https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/31/blackmagic-egpu-pro-temporarily-unavailable/
Just because you don't use it doesn't mean many others don't. You ignoring the market and making up numbers to suit your argument with 0 evidence to back up your claims.
And I'm pretty sure 0.0001% of the customer base needed more than just two USB ports on their 15" MacBook Pro. USB-C gives them that flexibility.
You're placing yourself more important than all other customers for whatever reason. That's a nonsensical argument. You and your friends don't represent the entire MacBook customer base, especially when you haven't bought a new Mac since 2015.
This is exactly why USB-C sucks currently, it's hard to find a "splitter" (for lack of a better term) for it. For USB-A, $5 buys you 5 more ports. Give customers an actual improvement, and they will switch, like every port migration of the past.It doesn't make sense to continue including USB-A alongside USB-C. What if, during this "migration", you acquired 3 USB-C devices and only have 2 USB-C ports? All of the sudden you need to bring a USB-C female to USB-A male adapter for that 3rd device, introducing a new type of an adapter that doesn't need to exist in the world. PC accessory manufacturers are going to look at the data and see all laptops still have USB-A so there's no reason for them to switch to USB-C. We will be perpetually stuck with USB-A and USB-C ports for several decades.
Apple's decision is sound.
but honestly not many person transfer a lot of datas over cable anymore. especially on iPhone what much data u want copy since its all synced with iCloud?Weird. USB-C is used in some form on most of their products. A portless model would be super super slow for those who transfer a lot of data over a cable now.
You have to understand the EU is after this, basically they might squeeze apple into literally switching to usb c or else.The iPhone will NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, switch to USBC.
As reports have shown, they’ve been interested in removing the port since 2017.
It will happen eventually. They’re not gonna change the port one year, just to remove it the next. If they wanted to switch, they would’ve done it years ago.
Lightning works. It’s not the best, it’s definitely not the most convenient, but they are still putting it on new products today. The AirPods max came out not even a full two months ago, and they still have Lightning.
So to reiterate, as much as I and several others would love it, USBC Will never be added to the iPhone
Disagree. Had wireless charging on my phone, bought a fast charging pad and then ended up selling it. Slower and useless if you want to use while charging. Additionally, if I go on holiday or just anywhere in my house, I need to bring a charging pad just for my phone? May as well bring a lightning charger, or just have my phone use the same charger as everything else...FFS You can charge an iPhone without using any cable, so much more convenient.
Disagree. Had wireless charging on my phone, bought a fast charging pad and then ended up selling it. Slower and useless if you want to use while charging. Additionally, if I go on holiday or just anywhere in my house, I need to bring a charging pad just for my phone? May as well bring a lightning charger, or just have my phone use the same charger as everything else...
Also, from an environmental standpoint, wireless charging is horrifically inefficient. If (and when?)iPhones no longer ship with a port and require wireless charging, millions of devices wasting a little bit of power each day
wireless CarPlay adapter is no problem to get. https://www.amazon.com/wireless-carplay/s?k=wireless+carplayEvery time portless gets brought up, I have to bring up CarPlay. I think Apple would have to make a piece of hardware to accommodate non-wireless CarPlay cars. On some level, I don't mind buying Bluetooth headphones because Apple removes the headphone jack. I will not buy a new car because Apple removes the iPhone port.
I'm glad. The lightning connector is a lot more durable than USB-C. I honestly think that this is why Apple keeps using it in their highest volume products.
I've seen Macbooks with USB-C where the socket has worn out to such an extent the plug will fall out if you turn it sideways.
I've never seen a lightning connector wear out. At the worst it needs an occasional cleaning.
Yes, it's annoying to have a different connector than my Android friends but honestly, it's not a big deal. I almost always have a cable in my car I can use in an emergency.
Didn't know that was the case, which means with my charging habits, it would never work. I don't charge overnight, I keep my phone between 50% and 80%, only going to 100% when I have a full day ahead of me. I have a few 45W chargers around the house, whenever I'm at 50%, about 15 mins brings me to 80%After trying out MagSafe I agree with your statement. Apple legit throttles the charging at a ridiculous rate, it’s all to save your battery of course but they expect everyone to use their phone during the day time and charge it overnight, my phone was trying to maximize my charging hours but it never worked
Two nights in a row my phone was not charged to a 100% after leaving it “overnight”. At the end of the day lightning was the only fast charging method, because Apple’s wording with MagSafe meant that it only fast charged your phone up to 50% of your battery life then it crawled to a 100%.
Maybe those people have peripherals like docks etc. that use that port and would need to be replaced as well when replacing the phone with a newer model?It continues to shock me the number of people that actually care what kind of port their iphone has.
yes, but not of them are water resistance
I know I'll catch flak for saying this, but...
I'm glad. The lightning connector is a lot more durable than USB-C. I honestly think that this is why Apple keeps using it in their highest volume products.
We tend to plug and unplug our phones a lot to charge them, sometimes on a daily basis.
I've seen Macbooks with USB-C where the socket has worn out to such an extent the plug will fall out if you turn it sideways.
I've never seen a lightning connector wear out. At the worst it needs an occasional cleaning.
Yes, it's annoying to have a different connector than my Android friends but honestly, it's not a big deal. I almost always have a cable in my car I can use in an emergency.
It continues to shock me the number of people that actually care what kind of port their iphone has.
I can definitely see the added value of USB-C on my iPad for attaching external disks and such, but what is the added value on the iPhone?