Lol having every device use the same port reduces ewaste cause you don’t have to buy extra cables, apparently it was ok for Apple to move to type c in 2016 for the macs doing the same thing but when it comes to iPhone it’s a different story
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iPhone Sticking With Lightning Port Over USB-C for 'Foreseeable Future'
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switching from USB-A to USB-C on a Mac provide far more benefits to the user than lightning to USB-C on a phone.
Like what, having to buy a bunch a dongles when no other device had type c at the time? Pile up that ewaste. Who needs MagSafe on Mac either, lightning obviously provides functionality like that.
I had already owned two different third-party wireless earbuds products when Apple removed the headphone jack from the iPhone in late 2017. While I've used Beats wireless earbuds for a while, I'm back to a third-party product. So, for me, Apple removing the headphone jack didn't really lead me to buy Apple or Beats wireless earbuds.
It sure does support, I agree. I have used my Lightning iOS devices with peripherals such as an external display/sound system while tailgating or visiting friends - amazing experience. I also have done the same with my iPad Pro that has a USB-C port built in. What I disagree is the obsession of trying to make EVERY single peripheral that we own to work with our devices. Why don’t we just accept what the devices/OS they run are made for and move on with our lives? They all have different purposes. They are all prone to different things (water, damage, dust, etc.) so why can’t we just accept things the way they are until a better solution is found that benefits *everyone*, not just a niche group?
Love to hear people howl over this. Since USB-C and Lightning are both reversible, I just shrug and have an extra cable here and there.
The port that needs to truly die is micro-USB. Somehow I still come across new electronics that still use it...
The port that needs to truly die is micro-USB. Somehow I still come across new electronics that still use it...
Totally opposite. Every one of my lightening connectors has worn out resulting in having to do weird wriggling to make them charge. No problem with any of my Apple USB-C devices.
Those aren't MFi certified, and they'll eventually stop working. I buy those bootleg cables anyway but for $1 to $1.50. Cheap enough to replace when they die, plus it's a "**** you" to Apple for creating the rough equivalent of DRM for a cable.
If having to buy more expensive stuff and dongles is a benefit, including overpriced USB-C hubs when you run out of ports, sure.
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I really don't care if the iPhone is Lightning and not USB-C anymore. Cables cand be found for around $10. Expensive for what it is, but still relatively cheap in the bigger scheme. And I rarely plug in my iPhone at all.
On the iPad the change makes sense because the iPad is more likely to be used like a traditional computer than an iPhone is, so plugging in peripherals, drives, etc. seems more likely.
Granted, I would have loved the iPhone to be the same, but Apple clearly is differentiating the two (they don't even run the same OS anymore).
Plus, given that the Apple keyboard, the trackpad, mouse, headphones, Watch, etc. all use Lightning, you'll always have a cable around.
On the iPad the change makes sense because the iPad is more likely to be used like a traditional computer than an iPhone is, so plugging in peripherals, drives, etc. seems more likely.
Granted, I would have loved the iPhone to be the same, but Apple clearly is differentiating the two (they don't even run the same OS anymore).
Plus, given that the Apple keyboard, the trackpad, mouse, headphones, Watch, etc. all use Lightning, you'll always have a cable around.
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I absolutely HATE the USB-C connector. It's designed to fail with repeated usage.
My work laptop (a Dell) had a motherboard replacement because the USB-C plug-in was so heavy it stretched and bent the connector on the motherboard and replacement was needed.
I also feel the lack of any kind of connectors on the USB-C connection makes for to get dirtier easier. It's one thing
if you've got a desktop PC that never moves but a laptop or phone it's just going to get gross sitting in my car and break sooner.
Not sure why the design of the lightning connector seems more conducive for portable use.
I could be wrong. I can't argue with the overall speed of USB-C.
If true, this decision is as lame as the decision to implement the touch bar. Apple should either convert to a type C connector or remove the connector completely. Given wireless charging and data transfer there really is no reason to keep pushing a non standard data interface with it's inherent data transfer limitations.
It would be all of them obviously, in reality there aren’t that many vehicles with CarPlay so the impact is not as wide ranging as you believe.
The same thing happened to vehicles with 8 tracks, cassettes and cds, CarPlay isn’t exempt from future technology happening.
Apple isn’t going to keep a port “just because” a few people have older vehicles that only support wired CarPlay, it’s not even a consideration for them.
Whether you like to believe it or not, wired CarPlay is the first iteration of the technology, and it’s already outdated. Right now. Today.
I use wireless charging/connecting 99% of the time, with a charger on my nightstand, in my car, and also on my desk at work, so I don't really care what type of connector Apple uses.
Yeah MFI cables cost more. So many of my genuine or high quality third party cables have blacked out pins from Lightning being a trash standard. Meanwhile I’ve used USBC daily on other devices (in much dirtier conditions) without a single issue. Lightning is on the way out and apple knows it which is why they did USB C everything for their macs and iPads. Them sticking to lightning here is pure $$$$
Oh how I wish it were that simple. But unfortunately, the ”one cable to rule them all” experiments has mostly failed.
USB-C has absolutely not lived up to its promise, because there’s so many different standards. Regular USB, thunderbolt, USB 4, and some go at different speeds than others, and some ports are compatible with thunderbolt and not compatible with USB, and some have both, and some only have USB. And Some are only meant for charging. It’s an absolute nightmare. It was a lot easier when everything was just separate cables, because at least you could tell what cable did what. Now they’re all the exact same shape, but they all do slightly different things
Apple is a member of the USB-IF and in 2019 it formally announced the "USB-C Authentication Program" which allows for manufacturers to restrict the type of devices that can attach to a USB-C port that has such authentication requirements. This is essentially a DRM option for USB-C.
This was a prerequisite for Apple to be able to switch from Lightning to USB-C for their devices (while maintaining control over who can make peripherals/cables for iPhones). They'll move the iPhone to USB-C but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some mega-high volume contracts with sub-contractors who make Lightning connectors that have to be fulfilled before the switch can be made.
This was a prerequisite for Apple to be able to switch from Lightning to USB-C for their devices (while maintaining control over who can make peripherals/cables for iPhones). They'll move the iPhone to USB-C but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some mega-high volume contracts with sub-contractors who make Lightning connectors that have to be fulfilled before the switch can be made.
1. If MagSafe port on the old MacBook breaks, you're dead. USB-C gives you 4 charge ports.
2. Can charge from either side.
3. Can charge from a USB-C battery
4. Can charge from a non-apple branded power adapter
5. USB-C on the MacBook can deliver 15W of power to the devices you connect (fast charging for iPhone for example). USB-A only delivered ~5W
6. Reversible port
7. No need for a special port for Thunderbolt which means you get 4x Thunderbolt USB-C ports vs just 2 Thunderbolt Minidisplay ports in previous MacBooks
8. Can carry a video signal via DP alt mode, no need for a special displayport.
9. A monitor can act as a external display, a charger for the MacBook, as an audio output, as a USB-C hub, and as a Thunderbolt daisy chain all over one connection.
Do I need to go on?
My issue with the lightning cables is with the cable jacket near the connector strain relief, it ends up splitting. I end up putting tape over the split in the cable case. Third party cables have their own issue when they stop working even though they are MFi-certified.