iPhone Upgrade Programme coming to UK tomorrow.

[InfernoUk]

Hey guys,

I couldn't get the Apple upgrade link working at 8am and missed out. What can I do now as there doesn't seem to be a pre order option for the Apple upgrade? All I can do is pre order a phone outright? Can't even set it for in store collection...

 

[dan-K]

Did anyone managed to reserve a 7+ 128gb black this morning ANYWHERE?!

 

[redrog]

No. It really doesn't. I keep seeing people doing these absurd calculations. Unless you're going to opt out of having a smartphone at the end of the year, you're always going to have to pay for a new one (which would be a free upgrade on the upgrade programme).

I addressed this earlier in the thread, when I showed that - up to 2020 - buying outright would work out £30 cheaper than with the upgrade programme. The hundreds of pounds of savings are silly talk, because - unless you one day find a smartphone you're happy to keep for the rest of your life - you're always going to need to upgrade.

Gibberish.

Your calculations ignore the fact that if you buy/sell you have an asset worth £799 in 2020, whereas on the upgrade programme you don't own anything.

 

[nwlondonlad]

Jet black 7+ 128gb was never available for reserve and pick up on any of the Apple stores. I've decided to wait till they get them on stock and then take it from there.

Saved the Reserve link which also states check back at 6am from the 17th sept

 

[StuMcBill]

Why?

Because its part of the upgrade programme terms.

 

[jgbr]

Jet black 7+ 128gb was never available for reserve and pick up on any of the Apple stores. I've decided to wait till they get them on stock and then take it from there.

Saved the Reserve link which also states check back at 6am from the 17th sept

It appears it was out of stock everywhere on launch. Worth checking every morning at 6am?

 

[Broric]

Another maybe stupid question.

How do the logistics of this work?

It's looking like it might be October or even November now for the 7+. If I got it in November on the upgrade programme, the earliest I can swap it for a newer model is October 2017, right? If a new iPhone 8+ is announced in September, what do I actually do?

 

[nwlondonlad]

It appears it was out of stock everywhere on launch. Worth checking every morning at 6am?

Yep, the only ones that most shops had were Rose and Gold. Funny enough i didn't find any in Silver. I'll wait it out.

On another note, the longer you wait the lesser you will pay. You get the option to upgrade after 11 installments but the next iPhone won't be here for at least 12 months, so that's an extra month's payment in Apples pocket (if you choose to upgrade)

In the States its spread across 24 payments and no upfront payment tut tut tut

 

[MathersMahmood]

Upgrade program in the UK so far is a fail. Reservation site directs you to US and then when its working everything is sold out. So dumb.

 

[hobsgrg]

Yep, the only ones that most shops had were Rose and Gold. Funny enough i didn't find any in Silver. I'll wait it out.

On another note, the longer you wait the lesser you will pay. You get the option to upgrade after 11 installments but the next iPhone won't be here for at least 12 months, so that's an extra month's payment in Apples pocket (if you choose to upgrade)

In the States its spread across 24 payments and no upfront payment tut tut tut

It's not clear either way but as I read you pay an up front fee and then the first monthly payment is 1 month later, so the 11th monthly payment would be exactly 1 year later.

 

[jgbr]

I wonder how the credit check system is going to work etc and how strict its going to be.

 

[GrumpyTrucker]

Another maybe stupid question.

How do the logistics of this work?

It's looking like it might be October or even November now for the 7+. If I got it in November on the upgrade programme, the earliest I can swap it for a newer model is October 2017, right? If a new iPhone 8+ is announced in September, what do I actually do?

I'd guess (and that's exactly what it is right now) that if you went in early - say for iPhone 7S/8/whatever launch you'd have to pay out up to the month 11 payment plus the £49 upfront fee for the new phone. You can pay off the loan at any time so it seems logical that as long you pay 11 payments worth then you're good to go.

This image is from the US site which implies that's how it would work there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/54hd23d6s4r82iw/Photo 09-09-2016, 12 48 15.jpg?dl=0

Worryingly this is the same image from the UK site. No mention of upgrade early with an advance payment. I can't see it being a problem but it would be worth checking out with Apple. Although the blue line fading to green matches the US one so it might be possible to pay off the 11 required payments at any point.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vbzypbikxw2wnk/Photo 09-09-2016, 12 48 30.jpg?dl=0

Note: I tried to put the images directly but they weren't showing for some reason so had to use the Dropbox links.

In the States its spread across 24 payments and no upfront payment tut tut tut

Yeah that does stink a bit. They pay 50% of the total cost over 12 months, we pay about 57%

 

[deany]

Could someone please answer these 3 queries:

• Is this available to business customers
• I guess the options mentioned earlier is dependent on the minefield that is eBay where its now "sellers beware" and there is a lot of conflicting views as to whether this is worthwhile so-
• What is the general view on this upgrade system in America? - (I know they do a lot of multi phone sales there per order - like the whole family so maybe difficult to compare) trying to allow for "no upfront" and "they pay 50% of the total cost over 12 months, we pay about 57%"

thanks in advance

 

[rctneil]

Still can't decide whether to go for the upgrade program or not. I know the IUP include AppleCare and don;t know whether or not I want AppleCare but knowing that I have no choice if I go this route.

One question, If I go the IUP path, do you end up being out of pocket in any way after 11 months and swapping for a new phone in regards to not having the previous one to sell?

Any thoughts?

 

[divinedotcomedy]

Does anybody know what happens now that the apple stores are mostly showing no stock? I wanted to enroll in this scheme and get an iPhone 7+ 128gb in normal black but its saying out of stock on the 'Reserve and Pickup' link but this is only for the 16th Sept. How will this work going forward? i.e. if I go to the normal apple online store I can order this phone for delivery in 2-3 weeks but that would mean paying outright and not enrolling in this scheme. Can't work out how you actually get on this scheme going forwards? Do I just have to wait until the stores start to get stock again?

One idea I had was to order online, have it delivered in 2-3 weeks and then go to more apple store and ask them to refund the phone back to my credit card and then re-purchase this same phone via the upgrade scheme. I'm just not sure I can see them allowing this!

 

[MathersMahmood]

Still can't decide whether to go for the upgrade program or not. I know the IUP include AppleCare and don;t know whether or not I want AppleCare but knowing that I have no choice if I go this route.

One question, If I go the IUP path, do you end up being out of pocket in any way after 11 months and swapping for a new phone in regards to not having the previous one to sell?

Any thoughts?

You have a choice. You can get it without apple care.

 

[rctneil]

You have a choice. You can get it without apple care.

I can't as going that route there is no option to upgrade after 11 months.

What's the difference between the IUP and get a 0% credit card and buying outright on that and selling in 1 year?

 

[MathersMahmood]

I can't as going that route there is no option to upgrade after 11 months.

What's the difference between the IUP and get a 0% credit card and buying outright on that and selling in 1 year?

Huh. If I don't get apple care with my AUP then I cannot upgrade after 11 months? Why? I didn't come across that part when I was looking through the information. If that's the case that's dumb Imo.

 

[GrumpyTrucker]

Still can't decide whether to go for the upgrade program or not. I know the IUP include AppleCare and don;t know whether or not I want AppleCare but knowing that I have no choice if I go this route.

One question, If I go the IUP path, do you end up being out of pocket in any way after 11 months and swapping for a new phone in regards to not having the previous one to sell?

Any thoughts?

Here's something I said earlier about AppleCare. I've never had AppleCare but might actually consider it next year when I get a new phone (having got a broken screen currently on my 6S Plus)

Further to some on here saying about AppleCare+ and how they don't want it, a few thoughts. Up until Wednesday I always said the same. It wasn't cost efficient. Based on a 6S Plus you were paying £119 insurance then if you broke your screen you were paying £79 to have it replaced or somewhere in the region of £150-200 (can't remember exactly) for an out of warranty replacement phone. This was against the non-AppleCare pricing of £126 and £256 respectively.

After Wednesday all that changed. AppleCare now has a £25 excess for screens and £79 for all other damage. That appears to include if you need a replacement phone. The non-AppleCare prices are now £146 for a screen and £306 for a replacement phone. This has made AppleCare+ much more attractive as an option BUT it is putting an extra £119 in Apple's pocket up front. However you only need one accident now to be severely out of pocket.

You have a choice. You can get it without apple care.

No you can't. You can pay for it over 20 months interest free, that's true, but you can't upgrade after 12 months using the non-AppleCare version. You can pay the loan off and sell your phone and start again but the Upgrade Programme requires AppleCare.

 

[Bazooka-joe]

Another maybe stupid question.

How do the logistics of this work?

It's looking like it might be October or even November now for the 7+. If I got it in November on the upgrade programme, the earliest I can swap it for a newer model is October 2017, right? If a new iPhone 8+ is announced in September, what do I actually do?

I think that the iPhone 8 will be released in June as that's the 10th Anniversary of the original iPhone. Lots of rumours about that so if true then you wouldn't be able to upgrade for several months

 

[nwlondonlad]

Still can't decide whether to go for the upgrade program or not. I know the IUP include AppleCare and don;t know whether or not I want AppleCare but knowing that I have no choice if I go this route.

One question, If I go the IUP path, do you end up being out of pocket in any way after 11 months and swapping for a new phone in regards to not having the previous one to sell?

Any thoughts?

The argument is that if you paid outright for the phone and decided to sale it the following year, the amount you would lose from the sale should amount to almost the same as what you would have paid Apple during those 11 months.
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I think that the iPhone 8 will be released in June as that's the 10th Anniversary of the original iPhone. Lots of rumours about that so if true then you wouldn't be able to upgrade for several months

I'm sure if that happens people would be given the option to pay up to the 11th month installment.

What you don't want to happen is it gets delayed till Dec 2017 and people going way past the minimum 11 payments

 

[rctneil]

The argument is that if you paid outright for the phone and decided to sale it the following year, the amount you would lose from the sale should amount to almost the same as what you would have paid Apple during those 11 months.
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I'm sure if that happens people would be given the option to pay up to the 11th month installment.

What you don't want to happen is it gets delayed till Dec 2017 and people going way past the minimum 11 payments

Are you saying here that everything balances out or that we end up being out of pocket by being in the plan?

 

[nwlondonlad]

Are you saying here that everything balances out or that we end up being out of pocket by being in the plan?

Depends on how you see it, slightly out of pocket if Apple care plus isn't something you usually wouldn't buy.
The plan also takes out the hassle of trying to find a buyer every year for your phone.

It has it ups and downs.

 

[nlr]

Do you have to pay £49 upfront every year for the phone?

 

[rctneil]

Do you have to pay £49 upfront every year for the phone?

I'm assuming so. I think at the point where you take the phone back, you give them your phone, they pay off the rest of the loan so it's all paid up and you are effectively back at stage one. You then agree a new loan for 20 months, pay the £49 and walk out with your new phone.

The £49 is taken off the price of the device + applecare which you pay monthly for.