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Apple is laughing at Google's phone sales.

What does that have to do with camera technology? Are you implying Google's camera is holding back its sales, or simply employing a defense mechanism because I criticized your phone company's alleged triple camera, and you felt the need to attack sales figures?
 
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Step 1: Make phone with 3 cameras.
Step 2: Pay rumor guy to tell Apple rumor sites that Apple is planning phone with 3 cameras.
Step 3: Casually mention that your company already has 3 cameras, say “we did it first.”
Step 4: Watch the money roll in (they hope)
 
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macrumors: "OMG when will Apple do something innovative!?!"

:Apple gets RUMORED to be doing something that could be mildly innovative:

also macrumors: "NOT LIKE THAT"
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Apple is laughing at Google's phone sales.

Apple were temporarily impressed with Google's figures... then, suddenly, one member of staff pointed out to his colleague that he had been reading the returns & refunds column.
 
What nonsense. Apple will simply improve the two lenses.

We aren’t talking about Gillette razors here! It’s not a competition for which phone has the most lenses!
It's gone from which camera had the most megapixels to now which has the most lenses. More silliness to drive up the cost of smartphones.
 
What does that have to do with camera technology? Are you implying Google's camera is holding back its sales, or simply employing a defense mechanism because I criticized your phone company's alleged triple camera, and you felt the need to attack sales figures?
What does Google have to do with Apple bringing a 3rd camera lens to their phone? You brought up a separate company, I was commenting on the fact that Apple likely does not care what camera tech Google is using because Google's phone is hardly a competitor with the iPhone.
 
Laugh all you want, but this could be a significant step forward. A phone lens can never be anywhere near as good as a professional lens, nor can it be interchangeable without introducing all sorts of headache. Phones also can't have sensors much larger than what they have already. What they can do -- and what Apple has been doing very well -- is to use processing power and multiple lenses to fashion creative solutions to many of the practical problems created by these limitations. A third lens could further increase zoom, or it could be used by the iPhone to greatly improve low-light shooting, create a more realistic and less light-dependent portrait mode, etc.

The possibility is certainly there for this to significantly boost iPhone photography. Let's see how it pans out before we prospectively bash the idea.

(Disclaimer: I'm not in any way suggesting that Apple will achieve DSLR/professional quality. I'm merely suggesting that Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to this sort of thing.)
 
Oh please,

Let's not make a mockery of Apple by involving *anything* Huawei makes, in this ethereal, wishful thinking daydream. Huawei make phones that people like to imagine are "as good as an iPhone", except Apple don't stamp "Leica" all over their phones when Leica was barely even involved with the design of the hardware.

Huawei make the following class of phone: Appalling, mediocre, good enough.

The P20 Pro is currently the phone with the best camera image quality; its even better than the Pixel 2. To pretend that the iPhone comes anywhere close to that, esp in low light, is laughable. Apple shoudl be trying to beat that phone in regards to the cameras.
 
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More throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks. Of course these so-called analysts will keep doing it because they’re never called out when they’re wrong. There’s zero consequences for anything they throw out there.
 
I think this whole "add more lenses" thing is just temporary. Pixel 2 single-camera portrait mode seems to be as good as portrait mode on dual-camera phones (using just a software) and IMO the future is in something like optical zoom using AI. That Samsung 8K TV that is able to upscale low resolution video into 8K using AI is what I think that will also change mobile photography. You take a photo and then you can upscale it using AI & crop it = you'll get telephoto like photograph. I think that dual-lens is the sweet spot – wide lens & standart lens (24mm / 50mm full-frame eq).

Or am I wrong?
 
Can we also get a Xenon flash to prevent underlit, yellow, blurry photos of people at night? No? That would interfere with the thinness of the design? Oh well.
 
This could be nudging towards an AR play. Three cameras is getting into AR / VR Capability. If you look at Magic Leap or HoloLens, it’s the multiple cameras that remove the need for external sesnsors.
 
I'm fine with this, but I'm already sighing because you know it'll only be for the iPhoneX+ just like how the dual cam setup is only for the 7+/8+ even though they could fit it in the regular model. It's technically possible but they use it as an up-sell method. That's something I wish they would copy from the Pixel... same camera regardless of screen size.
 
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How about catching up on autofocus speed, low light performance, stereo instead mono sound recording, image quality, etc. instead?
With the need to target the less educated bottom of the pyramid (so far more compelling to Tim) we are far from sensible innovation with glass backsides, notches, batt-unfriendly anorexia.
So expect Apple to add a third camera by the time that others have a quintuplets and then claim that triple cam tech has just “matured” the very minute they ship it...
 
Oh please,

Let's not make a mockery of Apple by involving *anything* Huawei makes, in this ethereal, wishful thinking daydream. Huawei make phones that people like to imagine are "as good as an iPhone", except Apple don't stamp "Leica" all over their phones when Leica was barely even involved with the design of the hardware.

Huawei make the following class of phone: Appalling, mediocre, good enough.

Apple make the following class of phone: Superb, superb with enhancements, stunning powerhouse with nothing left out.

I own a Huawei "P8 Lite 2017", amongst a whole pile of other phones, since I wanted to give the vendor a fair chance. It's all bluff and lipstick: updates... well, there's BEEN NO updates since I bought last October, the fingerprint sensor AND the power button REGULARLY stop responding to MULTIPLE attempts to unlock the device, requiring a force reboot (this is in a freshly factory reset phone; I test these phones regularly), Huawei is a joke, but a joke that schmucks will swallow as they have magpie syndrome, create this utter delusion in their minds that "Huawei are 'like Apple' " on and on, and are blinded by the reflections off the glossy curves of a copycat form factor.

Huawei MAY BE a giant company, so what? They make truly appalling phones, which they worsen by abandoning any hope of even MINOR updates, yet happily sell to the mugs who falsely imagine they're "like Apple"...

Erm, yeah... no.

Your opinion is super biased, nothing else to add
 
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Apple is laughing at Google's phone sales.
Sales mean nothing unless you have a favorable position in that company, or you have a large amount of money invested in stocks, etc.

As a consumer, I could give a flying f**k what the sales are like. If it's a better phone, It's a better phone. I have never purchased a device based on someone else's opinion. I don't understand the people who shift goal posts to sales, whenever someone brings up a point.
 
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What does that have to do with camera technology? Are you implying Google's camera is holding back its sales, or simply employing a defense mechanism because I criticized your phone company's alleged triple camera, and you felt the need to attack sales figures?
Exactly! I don't understand the rampant deflection to sales figures whenever someone gets hurt on valid points. It's quite embarrassing to say the least.
 
Seeing as the size of the image sensor is directly related to the size of the enclosure, and size of the lens system.. where do you propose they fit a 1" sensor in the body of a 7mm thick iPhone ?

I mean, it would basically be impossible without probably doubling the thickness of the iphone and having a very large protruding lens system. Not to mention the cost of putting a 1" sensor in a phone, the optics to go with it, and the power drain. If you don't like a $999, you would have to get used to a $1499 iPhone.

More smaller sensors is really the only viable route, which is why all manufacturers are heading that way. Even the latest and best smartphone camera modules are only about $15 per unit at large volumes, so it is not cost prohibitive to add two, three, four etc of them. And while it may look a bit ugly, I think people would get used to it and the benefits worth it to anyone with even a passing interest in photography. Ultimately, 5 would probably be about the sweet spot: a 35mm, 70mm and 140mm FF equivalent, and then a wide 23mm and a macro lens. Five in total, that would be a great range that would cover most of everything other than extreme edge cases. You could also use the 5 sensors to get a better average of the scenes lighting, colour balance etc.

But how would the average consumer know what to use? The zoom lens makes sense to everyone but most people don’t know how to use a DSLR.
 
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