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Maybe stronger glass materials so I don’t have to use a case? Making it more durable would honestly be a good upgrade.

It's glass, there is always going to be a breaking point and it's going to vary differently for everybody based on impact an angle of the phone if dropped. I don't think that's going to result any less then you using a case if Apple claimed the glass is 'stronger'. Anecdotally, when you're not using a case to protect the iPhone because of more Durable glass and you break your phone by accident, then Its likely you turn around and blame Apple that the glass was not durable enough.

I understand you're speaking for yourself, but cases will always be in existence because of the unknown factors to protect against damage. It's a matter if you choose to use a case or not regardless of what they claim. But it doesn't change a phones durability no matter what the claim when it's constructed of glass. It's science.
 
It's glass, there is always going to be a breaking point and it's going to vary differently for everybody based on impact an angle of the phone if dropped. I don't think that's going to result any less then you using a case if Apple claimed the glass is 'stronger'. Anecdotally, when you're not using a case to protect the iPhone because of more Durable glass and you break your phone by accident, then Its likely you turn around and blame Apple that the glass was not durable enough.

I understand you're speaking for yourself, but cases will always be in existence because of the unknown factors to protect against damage. It's a matter if you choose to use a case or not regardless of what they claim. But it doesn't change a phones durability no matter what the claim when it's constructed of glass. It's science.
Glass has gotten a lot stronger over the years. Displays are less likely to break than they were in 2007. I think that science will continue to figure it out and eventually we'll have new glass materials, construction techniques and alloys that will make these devices virtually indestructible in everyday use scenarios. It will happen eventually. And when Apple does figure out how to do real Air Power, then maybe they can go back to using wireless power and cellular antenna bands, perhaps woven into a display itself, and go back to a metal construction. It's not good that the newer iPhones break easier than the older ones because of the all-glass construction. And I think it annoys Apple so I'm sure they're trying to figure it out.
 
"in the U.S. the iPhone X was outsold by the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus in November"

The first month the X went on sale, it still sold less than the 8 and 8+ !!??
Gosh. Is that purely the low supply, or does it fit with the X just being less popular/too expensive?


We probably need to wait for Apple's official sales figures to be sure.
I’m curious why anyone would expect the X to outsell the 8 or 8 Plus. I doubt Apple was expecting it.
 
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I am guessing this will lead to a blowout quarter.
[doublepost=1515608840][/doublepost]On a family of four, three Xs and one iPhone 8. Glad to be part of the group who bought the new iPhones :cool:
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Apples Q4 ended 9-30-17. The next conference call is for Q1 2018. :apple:

Maybe the poster is talking about calendar quarter and not financial quarter?
 
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A 2018 iPhone SE with an “X” design, LCD display, Face ID, A11, (perhaps 3D Touch), 2GB RAM, and iPhone 8 camera for $499 32GB, $599 128GB would be a huge hit. Launching in March will mean the April - June typical iPhone sales decline would be mitigated. A $699 (64GB) 6.1 inch Plus version of the A11 LCD X-like SE phone could be launched in September along with the updated A12 X phones.
 
The article talks about bits of the quarter and China being "stellar".

I think it's signficant that the countries with long term high iOS usage, USA, UK, Japan have seen a large drop in iOS customers. I think this is terrible news for Apple, they've lost a huge amount of customers to Android in their traditionally strong markets.

Just for myself, the last time Apple looked at a drop in sales coming up to a reporting period they lobbed out the SE in April 2016 so I'm hoping this happens again.
 
I don't know about $100B, but I'm pretty confident Apple will exceed their last guidance range.
If they actually sold 35M iPhone X, it's going to be really close to $100B based on my math in that post. It almost has to be because they ARE going to sell 50M other devices. It's just going to happen. With Services at 20% growth, Mac, iPad, and "other" with the Watch 3, That's going to be $25-30B non iPhone sales.
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Don't let the data stand on it's own... you need to evoke emotion to be able to sell your bias which Macrumors is clearly doing and folks are drinking the kool-aid like it's 100 outside.

In all seriousness, most people don't critically think. They don't look at the numbers themselves and only look at the headlines and at best, read the whole article. And what's worst is you can't really say what was gained or loss with out knowing the actually numbers of consumers lost/gained, all we get is percentages. IE lost 5.5% in Japan say out of 100 person market is only 5.5 people but gained 4.6% in China out of a 1 million person market. So net gain is 459,994.5 people.

This my friends is how people lie with statistics. Show percentages without a reference to the actual numbers.
If you think you're so smart, you'll realize these are not official numbers and are essentially garbage...even the "good" results from China.

The problem is, you don't know the numbers behind the percentages and they are only a very small sample size of the total devices which for Apple is well over 1B.

Wait until February 1 to determine if Apple had a great quarter. Too much guesswork in data like this.
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The article talks about bits of the quarter and China being "stellar".

I think it's signficant that the countries with long term high iOS usage, USA, UK, Japan have seen a large drop in iOS customers. I think this is terrible news for Apple, they've lost a huge amount of customers to Android in their traditionally strong markets.

Just for myself, the last time Apple looked at a drop in sales coming up to a reporting period they lobbed out the SE in April 2016 so I'm hoping this happens again.
These numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. The chances of them actually losing a significant amount of their customer base to Android are very small. The pie gets bigger, so a small increase or decrease in share doesn't mean what the raw numbers will tell you. This is also just a sample, not the overall real numbers. Market share is VERY hard to calculate as it's a moving target and you can never really capture the whole market. Total iOS devices in use is a much better metric and Apple just said there are more iOS devices active than ever. Growth.

If Apple sells 82M+ iPhone this quarter, you can bet they didn't lose share.
 
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These numbers should be taken with a grain of salt.

Yes, but I don't think you're understanding them correctly. Kantar has a history of providing reliable data using a good sample size and in the mature markets there isn't much overall phone sale growth.
 
Yes, but I don't think you're understanding them correctly. Kantar has a history of providing reliable data using a good sample size and in the mature markets there isn't much overall phone sale growth.
Source? I don't find any market share information terribly reliable.

The same company came out with numbers 3 months ago with growth in every market for Apple. This big of a change doesn't happen in 3 months unless there are factors being missed, such as people waiting for the iPhone X or a flaw in methodology or other biases. You'll know very shortly if the iPhone X caused people to hold off updating, which will make the next report show jumps in share.

If Apple sells more iPhones than ever in Q4, not sure how anyone could take these numbers seriously. If they miss, maybe we can question Apple's strategy.
 
Confident the outrageous price of the X has hurt sales at some level. Remember when the latest and greatest would start at $650?
 
They're quoted in serious media like the Financial Times, Australian Financial review.
Yeah, no source then. These numbers don't jive with reported numbers for Apple on iPhone sales, which are all growing y/y and project to most ever in 2018.
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Confident the outrageous price of the X has hurt sales at some level. Remember when the latest and greatest would start at $650?
You're going to be wrong, that's the bottom line. iPhone X will get them to their biggest Q ever and already already told us it's going to be their biggest Q ever. A poor X launch would not allow record sales of $87B or a record number of iPhones to be sold, which will happen as well.

Just make sure you come back 2/1 and see what you think of the Q.
 
Yeah, no source then. These numbers don't jive with reported numbers for Apple on iPhone sales, which are all growing y/y and project to most ever in 2018.
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I get it, you don't like someone disagreeing with you. OK, everything you say is correct. Enjoy your world.
 
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I get it, you don't like someone disagreeing with you. OK, everything you say is correct. Enjoy your world.
I'm giving you actual facts based on iPhone sales as reported by Apple and audited by EY. iPhone is not losing their own customers to Android at any meaningful rate and certainly not to the tune of 4 percentage points in the US. Any growth in Android share is due to the pie getting larger. Apple themselves talk about the most iOS devices active ever, retention rates being above 90%, and switch rates FROM Android being higher than ever.

If they sell more phones every quarter, what are we really talking about here? I'm assuming you listen to every earnings call? If you do, you should understand why I'm disagreeing because it's totally off what the facts say.
 
falling market share in mature markets is bad news for Apple, Android would be very happy with the growth in USA, Japan and UK.
 
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Yeah, no source then. These numbers don't jive with reported numbers for Apple on iPhone sales, which are all growing y/y and project to most ever in 2018.
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You're going to be wrong, that's the bottom line. iPhone X will get them to their biggest Q ever and already already told us it's going to be their biggest Q ever. A poor X launch would not allow record sales of $87B or a record number of iPhones to be sold, which will happen as well.

Just make sure you come back 2/1 and see what you think of the Q.
Common sense that a lot of consumers will balk at an entry level of 1k for an iPhone. Personally I know many people who did not upgrade for that reason.
 
Common sense that a lot of consumers will balk at an entry level of 1k for an iPhone. Personally I know many people who did not upgrade for that reason.
Common sense doesn't always work with Apple products. People love their products...proven over and over. Plus, the $1,000 phone wasn't the only one available. I get the 8 might not have had features people wanted to upgrade for, but that can be argued every year.

The fact they had 3 new phones instead of 2 counts for something. Apple guided for $87B, so that would be another record and indication more people than ever will be buying iPhones. They are going to sell over 80M iPhones in 90 days. Wow.
 
"during the first month of availability"

So capturing the period when all the fan-boys get their hands on them, along with those who want to try and buy a load to sell for a profit on eBay because Apple are forecasting the usual 'production issues, low supplies etc' (i.e. lies to try and get people to place pre-orders..)

What will be telling is sales AFTER the first month of availability. I think this will be a lot less encouraging as it's clearly a disappointing product by Apple standards, especially when compared to rapidly improving competition. I think for a lot of perspective buyers the X just doesn't meet exceptions so they're sticking with the 7, 8 or even checking out stuff like the Note 8.
 
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