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It may out of necessity (Face ID), but it certainly isn't part of their "all screen" objective.

I have a hunch Apple dislikes it as much as most of us do, but it was necessary to get the phone to market this year.

I don't think Apple dislikes it since they went to the cost and trouble of implementing Rounded Rectangles at the corners and the inverse of rounded rectangles by the notch.
 
Face ID ABSOLUTELY takes up more space than a single front facing camera and proximity sensor. Between removing the home button and integrating Touch ID under the screen it was surely the goal (initially) to get as close to "all screen" as they could get.

Could they have integrated proximity under an OLED screen? I'd say yes, especially because they really believed they'd be able to integrate Touch ID. The front facing camera is a different animal, true, but it certainly wouldn't require anywhere near the real estate that the current notch takes up.

I don't get why people believe Apple wanted the notch and FaceID all along. They didn't. There was article after article about how much trouble they were having incorporating Touch ID. They failed. FaceID was the consolation prize, and with it we got the huge notch...

And along with all those articles about TouchID under the display were articles of having face recognition, 3D front facing camera.

You do know Apple develops multiple prototypes right?
 
And along with all those articles about TouchID under the display were articles of having face recognition, 3D front facing camera.

You do know Apple develops multiple prototypes right?

This.

But I guess the myth of the failed under-glass TouchID will linger for a very long time (at least in the macrumors.com forums).
 
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that's questionable.. there's other non-faceID stuff in there too

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the flood illuminator appears to be coupled on the same module as the proximity sensor.. theres also the ambient light sensor, speaker, microphone, and front facing camera which would still need to be on the phone regardless of trueDepth system.

it's the dot projector and infrared camera which are solely trueDepth related.

How is it questionable that all that EXTRA stuff, even if it's "coupled on" doesn't take up space?

You are also totally discounting that were it not for the fact that there is a notch (to put all of the non-Face ID components), Apple wouldn't have relocated them in order to preserve the "all screen" aesthetic that was their aim initially.

But regardless... you really think it's questionable that more components take up more space? Seriously? Are they making them out of dark matter or something? iMatter perhaps?

The notch exists (in it's huge and ugly form) because Apple failed to incorporate Touch ID (it's first choice, by all accounts BEFORE they had to settle for Touch ID (at which point of COURSE they started to hype Face ID... what choice did they have? Admit failure?)). That doesn't mean Apple won't sell a gazillion of them, or that Face ID will "suck", or that the notch will ruin my life.

It just means the vast majority of people (Apple included) would have preferred an "all screen" design with Touch ID, instead of the Frankenphone they launched with last resort security measures. You can also interpret that to mean that: given the choice, people would "dislike" the X in it's current form, compared to what they were aiming for.

No doom and gloom. Apple just tried and failed. It happens. Face ID is the consolation prize, but it'll be fine. I just wish it didn't necessitate a gaping notch. It won't stop me from buying one, but it doesn't mean it's not generally "disliked" by almost all involved...
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And along with all those articles about TouchID under the display were articles of having face recognition, 3D front facing camera.

You do know Apple develops multiple prototypes right?

Look, I'll never be able to convince you that Apple's first choice wasn't to abandon a tried and true security feature in order to blemish their anniversary flagship with a notch (at minimum a larger one) and incorporate a feature that nearly universally no one wanted or was asking for.... but if you were simply using common sense and not relying on Apple spinning Face ID as something they always dreamed of, what is more LIKELY?

It isn't a "myth". Apple scrambled for an alternative after failing to incorporate Touch ID. Face ID is our consolation prize.

We'll see how people react to Face ID after the launch, but even if it works as advertised, it already has limitations and risks Touch ID does not. And what about the advantages? What are those exactly? Oh that's right... Apple was able to incorporate it into the X when they failed to get Touch ID under the OLED screen so they could release it this year. That IS a pretty big advantage. I guess???
 
But regardless... you really think it's questionable that more components take up more space? Seriously? Are they making them out of dark matter or something? iMatter perhaps?

here's what i quoted you as saying"

"Face ID absolutely takes up more space than a single front facing camera and proximity sensor."

which means the infrared camera & dot projector together.. is larger than all the other stuff.. that faceID consumes more space than mic/camera/proximity/light sensor/speaker consumes..

and it's questionable because from that image at least, it looks like the faceID components are equal in size to the other stuff.. or possibly even smaller than the other items.
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The notch exists (in it's huge and ugly form) because Apple failed to incorporate Touch ID (it's first choice, by all accounts BEFORE they had to settle for Touch ID (at which point of COURSE they started to hype Face ID... what choice did they have? Admit failure?)). That doesn't mean Apple won't sell a gazillion of them, or that Face ID will "suck", or that the notch will ruin my life.
curious..
can you share a link or two that you're basing all of this off of?

i assume you're going by something you read online and aren't completely pulling this out of thin air.. (or are you?).. so what were you reading?
 
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The notch was not part of any of the original leaks or prototypes. The notch appeared after Apple had to abandon their "all screen" goal and integrate a notch to accommodate the Face ID components.

So yes, I think it is safe to say that if Apple had a CHOICE, they would have preferred to not have a notch. Preferring not to have something is synonymous with "dislike". But you're likely one of the people that really believes they were excited about Face ID and the notch from the start, so reality may be a difficult concept, it's cool.

And based on the number of "I like the notch" threads, vs. the number of threads specifically anti-notch (right down to threads where the notch is "the" reason people won't be buying the X), it is safe to say that even if the notch isn't a deal killer, more people "dislike" it than those that find it an appealing aesthetic.

If you had a choice between an "all screen" X or an "all screen with a notch" X, you're telling me you'd honestly choose the notch? Okie dokie...
This post is a mess.

You're assuming things & insulting me at the same time.

Thanks for making my decision to respond to you in future that much easier.
 
I mean they've been in the wild for a few weeks now I dont think its a big deal anymore,

especially since the phone has been announced
 
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I mean they've been in the wild for a few weeks now I dont think its a big deal anymore,

especially since the phone has been announced


It's interesting to see to most of us regardless of if the phone has been announced by Apple or not. We can't get our hands on it right now, and there are no reviews because of the embargo. Any images of the device in a real-world setting is interesting to me.
 
I missed this one in the other thread, thanks.

One thing that was unclear to me: I didn’t see the padlock at all, so Face ID either unlocked super duper fast, or it wasn’t activated.
 
It's interesting to see to most of us regardless of if the phone has been announced by Apple or not. We can't get our hands on it right now, and there are no reviews because of the embargo. Any images of the device in a real-world setting is interesting to me.

Good point! especially since I guess most are photos from the distance spotted at airports and stuff haha

Not gonna lie either, that silver has me smitten.

ITS GOOD MARKETING :D
 
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Good point! especially since I guess most are photos from the distance spotted at airports and stuff haha

Not gonna lie either, that silver has me smitten.

ITS GOOD MARKETING :D

I know what you mean...I was all set to pre-order the X in SG, but now I’m not so sure, haha!!

It’s sort-of a homage to the original. Man, first-world problems :D
 
There are going to be so many apps that don’t layout correctly to start with :(

Anything that is compiled against iOS 11 is already marked as supporting of the X, and if it isn’t using the new layout API’s we’ll see a lot of top and bottom ugliness.
 
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