iPhone X Supply Revised Lower Yet Again as TrueDepth System Still Faces Production Issues

[Lepton]

I'm actually losing money waiting for iPhone X, since I'm on Apple's iPhone Update program.

In the program, you get a phone and pay a monthly fee, let's say $40. After 12 months you've paid around half the retail price. You turn in your phone and get the new model. But in this case, the new model is late, let's say by one month. So I send up making a 13th payment while I wait, then get the new phone and start a new cycle of payments. Now when the phone after that comes out, it has only been 11 months. Not only had I paid 13 months on the old phone, I have to make a double payment at the 11 month mark to get the phone on day 1 - else I'm always a month behind forever.

 

[rjjacobson]

This sucks if true. I’m going to pre-order at midnight. If I can’t get it within the first week or two i’ll probably cancel the order. I don’t know if i’ll wait 6+ (according to rumors) weeks

If I cannot get mine before mid/end December I probably will cancel my preorder also. But a few weeks I probably can survive ;-) and if not I will enjoy my 7 Plus 256 til next fall ;-)
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If I need to wait more than a couple of months I’m passing completely. Don’t want to, but considering there’s a yearly refresh I’d feel silly buying 1/4 (or more) of the way into the lifecycle, especially at $1k.

Probably my cutoff as well. I am not suffering with my 7plus 256 anyway but would love to have a X this year.
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You've got exactly 1.8 seconds to tap "Buy" at midnight on October 27 to get an iPhone X on November 3rd.

When I tried to buy the Apple Watch on its release, waiting with my finger hovering over the screen, I got a message saying that it was time for me to update my password and wouldn't let me buy anything until I did. Worst. Timing. Ever. By the time I changed my password, I had lost 3 weeks on my Watch delivery. Moral of the story: update your passwords a few days before the pre-order.

Yes seems about time for them to do that to me my own nightmare, I supposed if I do it now I should be fine in a couple weeks? Good idea I just made the change to my AppleID and it is propagating already thru my devices most importantly the apple store app on my phone ;-)

 

[arefbe]

These things are going to be selling for $2,000-3,000 on eBay. Time to max the credit card if you have to have one.

Only if you have more money than brains.....

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Have a good feeling very few are going to actually get on apple store or the website to order one on the 27th. People sitting up for hours trying to get in. IF (big if), you finally do get on, your going to see shipping times slip almost immediately to 4-5 weeks or longer.

 

[Syk]

Please share with the rest of us why you believe the iPhone X will be 'problematic'? And More specifically, what's problematic about an unreleased iPhone?

I'm going to guess if you look at antenna gate/yellow screens, scratch gate, bend gate etc from past iPhones. Gen 1 usually has some type of problem but that can happen with anything, they say the same things about cars, whenever they do a design change to wait till the next year and buy that model, but when you toss in if the rumors are to be believed that production is behind. I wouldn't discount modules being allowed through in order to meet demand, so QC may not be up to par. Also it seems like the 2nd gen often has a spec that should've been included in gen1 but wasnt but gen2 normally fixes gen1 main problems.

Added the phone is going to be $1000 and possible next year before you can get one then waiting till next year may not be so bad if you're a person like me who doesn't upgrade every year and tend to keep phones.

At this point I think I would be one of the people who would buy it only to try and flip it but I don't trust eBay and I rather someone who really wants it to get a shot at it.

 

[cast128]

Looks more and more like I'll be camping out. On the bright side, I'll at least be able to get 2.

 

[C7 POWER]

I would assume those of us ordering within the first 10-15 minutes of pre ordering going live should secure a launch day device?

 

[rafark]

I would assume those of us ordering within the first 10-15 minutes of pre ordering going live should secure a launch day device?

Pfft, according to macrumors member *experts*, if you preorder a microsecond after its live, you're off to get it by April 2018...

 

[apolloa]

Hmm more talk pointing to failing Face ID systems.. Apple best get its damage control into fear..

More emojis and watch bands for everyone yay!!!

Now do I get a 7 Plus or wait till next year with my 6S, until iOS 11 kills its battery anyway.

 

[jonnysods]

So many of these stories prelaunch. It's almost a tradition.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Only if you have more money than brains.....

Plenty of those. Also plenty of smart people who don't regard $3K as real money because they make millions.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Shame in a way its the 10th anniversary of iPhone as Apple felt compelled to release a 'special device' to mark the event.

It would have been better to delay X to launch when 'ready' sans notch etc.

LOL @ "sans notch". It is hilarious for me read people who think that was a "compromise" or in any way undesired by Apple. It is the new iconic look. And no one cares if you like it or not.

 

[Kabeyun]

I guess I’m in the minority of people who just don’t feel all apoplectic about this. The tech for cutting edge FaceID has never been made at iPhone market scale. Can’t rush greatness. We’ll get them. Use the time to practice mindfulness meditation.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

I would assume those of us ordering within the first 10-15 minutes of pre ordering going live should secure a launch day device?

I wouldn't assume that. Look at the original AW launch as evidence. Many of us hit the final "buy" button 1-2 minutes after launch and end up not receiving our watches 2-6 weeks after launch.

 

[The Game 161]

until the time comes who knows on what supply there will be. got to wait and see. just order as fast as possible and hope for the best

 

[TurboPGT!]

I'm not seeing where Ming has reduced his launch inventory estimate of 12 million. If that number still stands, which by all accounts it does because Apple hasn't slowed down from their pace 4 weeks ago, they've only increased, then there is nothing to worry about.

There is absolutely no data, historical or otherwise, to suggest that iPhone X demand at launch could possibly exceed 10 -15 million.

With iPhone 8 having already launched and likely scooped up 2 - 4 million of those early annual adoptions, and iPhone X yet to come (at the highest price point ever for an iPhone)...my high-end estimate of 15 million puts the total iPhone "launch" at almost 20 million? That is nearly impossible. There is just no data to suggest such demand exists.

This isn't a bad thing. It is a good thing for everyone hoping to get an iPhone X. This will not be another 7 Plus launch. Tim Cook made it very clear earlier this year that they learned from that fiasco. This is them learning. They could have launched the iPhone X is September will 2 million units available (which is basically what happened with the 7 Plus). And it would have sold out for launch day in about 3 minutes (like the 7 Plus). And they'd be filling 400k orders a week, and everyone would still be miserable tracking their orders (like with the 7 Plus).

Instead of a repeat of that nightmare, they are waiting until they have sufficient inventory built up, so that they can a customer-pleasing launch.
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I wouldn't assume that. Look at the original AW launch as evidence. Many of us hit the final "buy" button 1-2 minutes after launch and end up not receiving our watches 2-6 weeks after launch.

I think you need to look at the 7 Plus launch, Tim Cook's comments from earlier this year on it, and the deliberate move by Apple to delay this launch until November, to know that this misery won't be repeated.

 

[<==BlackBird==>]

I like the notch...

This kind of thing would lead me to not be surprised if the X has a number of issues once released.

From the ridiculous notch, to the fail at the apple event and production issues this device seems half baked in my opinion. That said, I'd never buy the first iteration of any tech device. Let the early adopters be the beta testers.

 

[ImBuz]

More and more I keep leaning toward getting new iPhone 7 & new apple watch3 cellular,
to replace my apple watch 2 & tired iPhone 6.
I can get both for less than new XiPhone and still have great new tech.

 

[ani4ani]

11 weeks until year's end @ 500,000 per day..
~38 million phones.

idk, sounds about right..

also-- that's a whole lotta iPhones


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fwiw-- this is a helluvalot different than "Apple can only make 10k per day".. ha!

It would be a slam dunk if that wasn't Samsungs entire OLED production

 

[69650]

I think maybe they should have delayed the iPhone launch to 2018.

 

[Macalway]

Use the time to practice mindfulness meditation.

Apparently, this is sort of catching on. And ya know, we need something these days

(that, and Prince Valium)

 

[cocky jeremy]

At what point do those who laughed in the faces of people who decided to buy the 8/Plus and wait for the XI, start eating humble pie?

Never. I basically have an 8 already.. a 7 Plus.

 

[mrklaw]

I’m not sure this is a premium iPhone. It’s expensive but a lot of analysis suggests Apple have lower margins on the X because of the high cost from Samsung on the OLED panel and the new faceID tech

So they are passing on some of that cost but Apple shared it as a glimpse of the future, not as a premium device

So I’m sure as soon as apple can get costs down they’ll pass those on to consumers - perhaps bringing the X+ in at $999 and dropping the X to $849/899

 

[agsystems]

I'm actually losing money waiting for iPhone X, since I'm on Apple's iPhone Update program.

In the program, you get a phone and pay a monthly fee, let's say $40. After 12 months you've paid around half the retail price. You turn in your phone and get the new model. But in this case, the new model is late, let's say by one month. So I send up making a 13th payment while I wait, then get the new phone and start a new cycle of payments. Now when the phone after that comes out, it has only been 11 months. Not only had I paid 13 months on the old phone, I have to make a double payment at the 11 month mark to get the phone on day 1 - else I'm always a month behind forever.

this is interesting and trying to follow along - what did Apple promise here? sound like if you were to upgrade to the iPhone 8/8+ (on time and in stock) they will be complaint with the program - now I understand you want the X model, the question, is it written anywhere that you have to upgrade to an specific model?

 

[Pez555]

I would assume those of us ordering within the first 10-15 minutes of pre ordering going live should secure a launch day device?

Try 5 seconds.