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With Touch ID, you'd have to activate ApplePay, either manually by opening the Wallet or automatically by tapping the phone to the payment terminal at which point, you select your card, then touch Touch ID to authenticate.

With Face ID, you have the quick access of the double clicking side button, pick the card and it'll authenticate you since you're looking at the screen, then just tap.
As has been mentioned multiple times already, which Touch ID phones you have the exact same quick access by double clicking the home button. And since your finger is already on the button, it'll automatically authenticate as well.
 
Sometimes I trigger a purchase on the iPhone, not actually wishing to make the purchase. The dialog pops up, inviting me to authenticate with my fingerprint. I look at it, think better if the transaction, and cancel it. With FaceID, this won't work. Just looking at the dialog will constitute consent. That seems problematic to me.
 
Didn't know you could do that with TouchID, but then I have to ask how this makes FaceID inferior if they both do the same thing.
Because with Touch ID you have the additional option of simply holding the phone to the reader without doing anything else. Apple Pay with Touch ID was always brilliant in its simplicity. I still remember the keynote when Cook demoed it; if you blinked you missed it. ;)
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To me "a portion" would be the last 4 digits of the account number that show on the image of the card so you know which card it is. Seems more like it is storing the entire card number except for the CVV code. How else would it have enough information to contact the card issuer and get the new token account number assigned?
For that it uses the "Device Account Number", which the banks map back to your actual account. The last 4 of the real credit card number are only stored for cosmetic reasons, so you can recognize the card in Wallet.
 
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Pulling the phone out of my pocket, double clicking a button, holding it up to my face, then back down to the reader seems a lot more inconvenient that pulling the phone out of my pocket with my thumb already on the Home button for TouchID and moving it straight to the reader. This has worked flawlessly for me since my first TouchID enabled iPhone. I suppose we all have to get used to it after this year, though. Unless of course Apple pays attention and quits with this trying to force us into gimmicky tech that is not as convenient to use. But why should we expect Apple to change now, they've been doing this for decades.

i have not had any problem with apple pay with faceid. and it didn't take several times to get used to the 'new' system, it took once. i find that double-clicking the side button to activate apple pay and then simply making sure my face is over my phone, which is generally a movement of two or three inches really, given that rfid terminals are pretty much always at counter level and right in front of you -- this makes apple pay with faceid work fairly instantly and i like it. truthfully i had many more 'false' payments with touchid as i'd be authenticating before it wanted me to, or accidentally doing it twice, i was often not sure if 'it went through or not', and the cashier would say 'yes, it's good', or, 'no, try it again'. i've never had this with faceid. works better, imo.
 
Anyone who has the iPhone X knows Apple made ApplePay less convenient with Face ID. I find it more annoying than the notch.

You're doing it wrong.

Seriously, if you think it's less convenient, you are literally doing it wrong.
 
I gave up on Apple Pay all together because stores either never activated the nfc or the employees were clueless how it worked.

Really? Where I live, it’s working in more and more places. Mcdonalds, Walgreens, Nike Store, Apple store (obviously), airport shops, etc.
 
Lets make everything LESS user friendly so we can sell more phones with a gimmick. What has Apple become?

Face ID is most definitely not a gimmick. While I agree Touch ID was slightly more convenient for Apple Pay, for everything else, including logging into sites/apps, it's definitely faster and more seamless. When logging into the phone itself, I'd say it's a wash... though seeing my notifications reveal the details just by looking at the screen is pretty damn cool and might give face ID the edge.
 
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A nice thing about FaceID, and "pre-authenticating", is if the retailers machine is out of reach (happens a lot in small lunch places) you can hand them the phone like you can with a credit card.

Contrary to many posts on here saying its the same as TouchID, I recall from my 2 years of using it your finger needs to be on the reader for it to work - not the same as FaceID at all.

FaceID you have 1 minute where you can pass the phone to someone and they can tap it for you.


Also, as it is "pre-authenticated", it registers with the machine instantly, unlike TouchID which seems to take another fingerprint sample at the moment of the transaction and sometimes fails.
 
There has to be a better solution than two taps on the power button...
There likely will be. I suspect this is an intermediate step towards something more instantaneous. The swipe up after unlock is a similarly slower process. This is probably all in place to ease people into Face ID. A simple software update would allow Face ID to go right to the home screen or place the phone on NFC to trigger Apple Pay and Face ID conformation. Apple approached things the same way with the earliest versions of Touch ID. Extra steps were required.
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A nice thing about FaceID, and "pre-authenticating", is if the retailers machine is out of reach (happens a lot in small lunch places) you can hand them the phone like you can with a credit card.

Contrary to many posts on here saying its the same as TouchID, I recall from my 2 years of using it your finger needs to be on the reader for it to work - not the same as FaceID at all.

FaceID you have 1 minute where you can pass the phone to someone and they can tap it for you.


Also, as it is "pre-authenticated", it registers with the machine instantly, unlike TouchID which seems to take another fingerprint sample at the moment of the transaction and sometimes fails.
Agreed. There are also benefits such as not having to remove gloves. Touch ID and Face ID both have limitations. I suspect Apple will speed up some of these processes over time as users become accustomed to Face ID.
 
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Brnging it near the reader still prompts double press. I’ve not tried just using wallet but I imagine this is a safety precaution anyway. You need to Elko it a physical response because your face is now the final authentication step (and presumably you’re looking at the device during all this time).

Thanks ;) Anyone knows what happens if we open the Wallet app before ? Do we still need to double click the button?
 
Lets make everything LESS user friendly so we can sell more phones with a gimmick. What has Apple become?

Exactly, they have to add new features every year to "look good" for shareholders.

iPhone 6 was probably the best - touch ID, headphones, etc.

iPhone 7 and 8 are the same

iPhone X is the same but adds 1cm of screen, and Face ID (which should count as negative points because we lose touch ID)
 
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On behalf of all Londoners - please don’t try doing this on the underground.

its fine. Leaving the tube I pre-authenticate on the escalator. Coming into the station I do it before I queue up to go through the gates.
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Holding it to your face is not a separate/necessary step. When you double click you are usually looking at your phone in a normal manner/distance. In about .5 seconds (or less) it authenticates after you double click. So its really not an extra step, maybe a slight pause. And you don't need to move it up to your nose. You hold it naturally (no one knows you are doing a face ID, it simply looks like you are glancing down at your phone). So you are looking DOWN at the phone, which is basically at your waist level. Then you move the phone several inches to the reader - bang - its done.

So hold phone in left hand normally and casually, while you are looking DOWN at it, not bringing it up to your face (you maybe tilt the phone slightly in the direction of your face, you don't move your whole ARM up to your face). Doubleclick, pause a milli-tick, move hand forward a few inches to hold near reader. Its simple, quick and easier than the old way.


There are some situations where its about the same as TouchID, and some where it is definitely an extra step or a little slower. You get used to it, but it isn't as smooth IMO. Basically situations where you aren't active at the same time are quick:

- Underground/subway - preauthenticate before you get to the gate. Normally fine and you tap through quickly so no delay for other passengers behind you.

- at a cafe where you're being served. Preauthenticate as your order is being rung up on the checkout and you're done. You aren't doing anything except waiting for the cashier so no problem.

- At a supermarket self-service counter or where you're packing your groceries. Now you have your hands full, so when it comes time to pay there is definitely an extra step of pull out phone, double click, look at phone, tap on NFC reader. With TouchID you just grab the phone from your pocket and move directly to the NFC reader with your thumb already in place when it gets there. Much smoother.


For me that last one is quite common, and its probably the least good thing about the iPhone X. But its a minor thing and generally I think FaceID is a good step forward so I don't mind too much.



One thing I haven't tried - what happens if you just tap the NFC reader without authenticating? Does it go
a) NFC - prompt for faceID - bring phone up to face - authenticate - 'ping' you're done
or
b) NFC - prompt for faceID - bring phone up to face - authenticate - put phone back on NFC reader - 'ping' you're done

(b) sounds like it'd be a PITA
 
This is my take, comparing it to the iPhone 7.

- Authentication seems more reliable, as in the terminal seems to take it quicker (and perhaps at better range?)
- It is still not as straight forward as the iPhone 7, mainly due to the fact you didn't even have to press a button on the iPhone 7. You just put your finger on the button, place your phone on the terminal, and it authenticates. Requires 0 button presses or moving to any particular screen, just place it near any terminal and it auto-pops up and auths.
 
Contrary to many posts on here saying its the same as TouchID, I recall from my 2 years of using it your finger needs to be on the reader for it to work - not the same as FaceID at all.

FaceID you have 1 minute where you can pass the phone to someone and they can tap it for you.
With TouchID it works the same way - just double-click the home button and then hold the phone (no finger required) to the terminal or hand it to the retailer within 30-60 seconds.
 
FaceID @ checkout > TouchID

Rather than doing the authentication right at the same moment as purchase, you can pre-authenticate and once the reader is ready the purchase happens through your phone. With TouchID, if it didnt work for any reason this just took longer and held up lines.

I'd go along with this. Whilst in theory (and probably in practice) with Touch ID, I always found I had a little moment of not being sure if it was working as I was almost doing it blind, and - probably unnecessarily - thought I had to time it just right with my finger to authenticate.

So I actually kinda like it with Face ID - I can see that its authenticated before I put it on ether scanner. Which to be fair, I guess you could do that with Touch ID too. But if you're going to be slightly more deliberate about seeing that it has authenticated in advance, it seems more smooth with Face ID, as you don't have to put your finger on the screen.

I don't know - look at us and our first world problems!
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Yup.
Fingerprint ID worked really smoothly on the tube… this Face ID… I have my doubts about.
Was fine for me up in London recently - just get Apple Pay up on the screen to authenticate as you're getting close to the barrier, and put your phone by the reader.
 
I also tried in Japan....To no joy eventhough my UK contactless cards worked just fine. But i then heard that they use different system in the Japanese iPhones. Why they can't use the same standard I could not figure out!
Japanese iPhones are fitted with a Felica chip to accommodate the Suica/Pasmo cards that are widely used in Japan for trains/subway/buses/convenience stores/vending machines.
 
Simple double-tap swipe right shift up press the side button face id and finish with a single tap swipe up. Even my grandma can remember this.
 
UK & much of Europe have been way ahead of the US on card payments for years - it seems hilarious now to have to sign your name on a touchscreen with a plastic stylus at Macy's after using 'chip & pin' everywhere for 11 years (introduced in UK Feb 2006).

My bank card is contactless & it lives in my iPhone wallet case - fastest to just pay with that (it's the same bank account) rather than removing the card as the first step ahead of Apple Pay process ... :D

I do like Apple Pay / FaceID / TouchID to pay on the App Store and websites that support it via iPhone and MacBook Pro Touch Bar though, particularly that it pulls through delivery address details etc.
 
As has been mentioned multiple times already, which Touch ID phones you have the exact same quick access by double clicking the home button. And since your finger is already on the button, it'll automatically authenticate as well.

But the phone has to be locked for a double click of the home button to launch Apple Pay with Touch ID whereas a double click of the side button on the X launches Apple Pay any time. So many times I had tried paying with my 6/6S/7 and accidentally gone to multitasking and faffed around trying get Apple Pay up so I can select the card I want.
 
Can someone please explain to simple old me what the problem is either way?

If faster and more convenient; How much faster is it really?
If it's slower and more cumbersome; how so really?

Don't try and kid me that your time is 'oh so important' that 5-10 seconds either way, regardless of which side of the fence you fall on, is some huge deal-breaker for you.

I have a feeling each side is just splitting hairs at this point.
 
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