iPhoto for iOS, Updates for iMovie and Garageband Go Live on App Store

[Mac-Rumours]

Darn, and it won't run on my Apple Newton either! Apple is as bad as Samsung. My new 3D blue-Ray Samsung player won't show 3D on my 2 year old Samsung flatscreen. They're all out to screw us!

The Newton was discontinued in 1998, the original iPad was released only 2 years ago and was still for sale 1 year ago. That's pretty quick planned obsolescence don't you think?

The only thing holding me back from purchasing the new iPad is do I want a device that's only going to get new software for the next 1-2 years.

 

[Hodar1]

I'd say the "front facing camera" requirement is Apple-speak for "the iPad 1 is far too crippled in the RAM department for you to even think about running this app. But lol, as if we're just going to come right out and say that".

This is utter BS. The processor on the original iPad is the SAME chip (A4) with the SAME RAM as you find in the iPhone 4. Yet, almost magically - this program seems to work flawlessly on the iPhone 4. This is a not-so-subtle way for Apple to say "Hey, those of you who paid $500-700 on our first attempt to open a market, ****** off and buy a new tablet".

I expected better from Apple than this. I could deal with a slower performing app on the original iPad; but the fact that I'm not even given the opportunity to use the app just pisses me off. Same processor, same RAM as my iPhone 4 - there is no excuse for this crap.

 

[calb]

I really like the iPad interface, but the iPhone one is an exercise in frustration.

 

[Hodar1]

Darn, and it won't run on my Apple Newton either! Apple is as bad as Samsung. My new 3D blue-Ray Samsung player won't show 3D on my 2 year old Samsung flatscreen. They're all out to screw us!

Stupidity should be painful. The Newton was discontinued almost 15 years ago. However, the origional iPad is STILL being sold by Apple in their refurb section. It's barely 2 yrs old, running on the same processor as the iPhone 4 - which is simply the single-core version of the processor the iPad2 and 3 are currently shipping with.

Usually, one expects more than 2 years support for a device that costs $500-700 dollars. There is no reason why the original iPad cannot support either iMovie or iPhoto, it's the same code, the same OS and the same processing hardware witht the same RAM size that is found in the iPhone 4.

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I really like the iPad interface, but the iPhone one is an exercise in frustration.

Huh? Other than the form factor and the fact that there is a Phone icon on the iPhone, they have the same interface, run the same programs, and behave in almost the same way.

 

[calb]

Huh? Other than the form factor and the fact that there is a Phone icon on the iPhone, they have the same interface, run the same programs, and behave in almost the same way.

The iPhone app is much easier to use after having used the iPad app. They behave in almost the same way, I agree (emphasis mine). I tried it on the iPhone first and had no clue what each icon did; the Help section wouldn't open and I couldn't find the helpful overlay like on the iPad version.

 

[Mapmonkey]

This is utter BS. The processor on the original iPad is the SAME chip (A4) with the SAME RAM as you find in the iPhone 4. Yet, almost magically - this program seems to work flawlessly on the iPhone 4. This is a not-so-subtle way for Apple to say "Hey, those of you who paid $500-700 on our first attempt to open a market, ****** off and buy a new tablet".

I expected better from Apple than this. I could deal with a slower performing app on the original iPad; but the fact that I'm not even given the opportunity to use the app just pisses me off. Same processor, same RAM as my iPhone 4 - there is no excuse for this crap.

I'm pretty pissed off too! It's the same thing with the standard photo app you can't make basic edits there either. Feedback to Apple, maybe they will open it up. They did with gestures. We can only hope. I can't really fathom Apples thinking on this.

 

[aricher]

Has anyone tried installing iPhoto on iOS 5.0.1? I know u need minimum 5.1 but just wanna know whether anyone has given it a shot?? I don't wanna lose my jailbreak on 5.0.1.. Still wanna try iPhoto.. This is very smart on apples side..

I tried last night but there was a pop-up that said that 5.1 is required for install. I upgraded to 5.1 and it installed perfectly. Time to lose your jailbreak if you want to play with this awesome software.

 

[ks-man]

What? Adobe Photoshop Touch is $10.

My bad not sure where I got $99 from. So the comparison is far more reasonable then with iPhoto at $5 and Photoshop Touch at $10. Am I correct that Photoshop Touch has far more functionality for Photo edits?

 

[Mapmonkey]

iPhoto for iOS? Not really is it?

Watched the keynote and was pretty excited to get hold of the new iPhoto app.

Somewhat disappointed now, couldn't purchase for my iPad 1 which really annoyed me. I load my photos in the field with the connection kit, I don't need a camera on the pad for any of my other photo apps, so why this one? Please don't tell me it all about CPU or ram. I have Photogene, Phototoaster and PS express and they work just fine on the original pad. Anyway I loaded it up on my 4S. It isn't iphoto is it. The whole concept is different from iPhoto on the mac. The Apple app is just another editing app and sadly it just doesn't have the features or polish of the 3rd party apps. I really wouldn't mind that so much if it had real iPhoto functionality to manage and organise the photos on the iPad. It doesn't. It seems as if the devs at Apple working on the photo functions haven't heard the cut the wire mantra.

Surely it can't be that difficult to allow users to manually manage photos in the same way we can choose to manually manage music. We have photosteam now it gives users a tunnel between the devices. There doesn't have to be this concern of syncing photo albums, and having conflicts created by rearranging or deleting photos on the iPad.

There are so many posts on photo management and the iPad, surely they, Apple, have read some of them!

Still at least they listened to users about deleting from photostream. I guess they just have very selective hearing. Shame really.

There I feel better, now thanks for reading.


Update:
Tip: Use iPhone config tool to load iPad 1 with iPhoto for iOS, works ok so far. Still just an editor

 

[Krevnik]

This is utter BS. The processor on the original iPad is the SAME chip (A4) with the SAME RAM as you find in the iPhone 4. Yet, almost magically - this program seems to work flawlessly on the iPhone 4. This is a not-so-subtle way for Apple to say "Hey, those of you who paid $500-700 on our first attempt to open a market, ****** off and buy a new tablet".

Two things:

- The iPad first gen has 256MB RAM, the iPhone 4 has 512MB RAM. That's a pretty large difference.
- It doesn't really run flawlessly on the iPhone 4. It seems to choke on larger photos from my DSLR.

 

[Rafffster]

Getting full resolution photos onto iOS

iPhoto for iOS has me so disappointed in that it's this big tease, just shy of being wonderful. The interface is great, and it really does 60% of what I use Aperture for. Here's the problem.. Without the camera connection kit, it's worthless for anything but iPhone pics.

Here's the issue some may not be aware of, it may change how much you choose to use the app. The only time the images you see on your iOS device are the full resolution photo are when beamed from another iOS iPhoto app, from the Camera connection kit (of note here, is that Apple's documentation states that while iPhoto can open your camera's RAW files, it will only be displaying and editing the jpg layer stored within, hurting DSLR users' use for the app), or from the camera roll taken on that device. Everything else is compromised.

While photostream DOES store the original jpg, png, tif or raw files, they are only downloaded to Aperture or iPhoto for OSX. Saving to the camera roll or iPhoto on iOS downloads a compressed image "formatted for the device," which seems to average around 3.5mp in my experience. So if you want to edit a photo from your iPhone 4S in iPhoto on your iPad, you NEED to use the Beam feature to get the full 8mp photo, photostream is worthless in this instance.

Syncing albums from iPhoto or aperture to your iOS device through iTunes provides similar compromising size reductions (something I was unaware of until now). I understand the reason these systems were put into place-saving space on your limited size iOS device, where photos larger than the screen could display were wasting valuable bits. However, now apple has provided a great image processing tool, as well as photo organizing-for some-solution. It's really bad that these photo compressing habits aren't more transparent!

Before I can seriously use iPhoto for iOS, I need to either have beam options to and from the Mac clients, an option for at least iPhoto on iOS to download the full photostream files, or a toggle in iTunes for not compressing albums. Honestly the beaming option in conjunction with iPhoto or Aperture library browsing through Home Sharing would be the best solution. Why can my apple tv see my entire mac's photo library but the advanced iPad post pc tool is stuck with this very detached iTunes syncing solution?

 

[darthastuart]

Performance on iPad 2?

Can anyone speak to how snappy the app is on an iPad 2? I'm thinking about that versus a new iPad and wondering how the iLife apps run on the iPad 2...I only have GarageBand on my iPad 1 and it is kinda draggy and crashy. If these apps need the power of the new iPad to run effectively, then I won't bother with the iPad 2. Thanks.

 

[runeapple]

I disagree. iWork for iOS apps as well as iMovie were launched by Steve and those also have an icon that is basically the desktop app icon inside of an iOS roundrect. Apple does this to retain the app brand continuity between iOS and OS X. They want people who know and use these apps on the Mac to recognize them on iOS and people coming from iOS to recognize them on a Mac...

I think the new iLife for iOS app icons are an improvement, it's the desktop app icon on a shelf. All of them have this look (iMovie, Garageband, iPhoto). It's an improvement over the iWork apps style icon which have the desktop icon just floating and not grounded.

For the iOS iPhoto icon I believe the setting is a light table not the OS X dock...

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He's not complaining about the iLife icon being into the icon but I must agree the background of this icon is fugly.

I spent about 20 seconds making a mock up, I couldn't find a stock image of the palm tree horizon and I couldn't be bothered to reconstruct the image where the camera was so used a picture i took a while ago for the image. But I think a backing like this would have been cleaner

 

[daveperso]

No iPad 1 support makes me less of an Apple fan

When you try to download the iPhoto onto the iPad 1, you get the message that the program won't work because there isn't a camera, not that the processor isn't fast enough. I too was looking forward to using it on my iPad 1 which cost me about $8-900.00 here in France less than two years ago (64 Gb, 3G). I still won't be upgrading to iPad 3 just yet because frankly, I am fed up with having to upgrade my machines every year!

And I have to say that blocking iPhoto on the iPad just makes me less of an Apple fan than I used to be. I have spent a lot more on Sony products than I have on Apple (VAIO, Blu Ray (still not supported by Apple), 3D TV, 3D camera (3D still not supported on Apple TV) and just recently the Sony Tablet (because it controlled all of my home entertainment system and not just Sony or Apple products).

The iPhone 4 is good (but I am not upgrading to the 4S) and the iPad 1 is good too. It is just a shame that I feel I am being treated pretty poorly. I don't even think I'll be upgrading my Apple TV for all the same reasons.

 

[MythicFrost]

When you try to download the iPhoto onto the iPad 1, you get the message that the program won't work because there isn't a camera, not that the processor isn't fast enough. I too was looking forward to using it on my iPad 1 which cost me about $8-900.00 here in France less than two years ago (64 Gb, 3G). I still won't be upgrading to iPad 3 just yet because frankly, I am fed up with having to upgrade my machines every year!

And I have to say that blocking iPhoto on the iPad just makes me less of an Apple fan than I used to be. I have spent a lot more on Sony products than I have on Apple (VAIO, Blu Ray (still not supported by Apple), 3D TV, 3D camera (3D still not supported on Apple TV) and just recently the Sony Tablet (because it controlled all of my home entertainment system and not just Sony or Apple products).

The iPhone 4 is good (but I am not upgrading to the 4S) and the iPad 1 is good too. It is just a shame that I feel I am being treated pretty poorly. I don't even think I'll be upgrading my Apple TV for all the same reasons.

It's odd that that's the reason it won't let you download it but, I don't believe your device could run it smoothly. I think you'd find the experience very choppy, and very difficult, considering the 1GHz single-core A8 and 256MB LPDDR RAM.

 

[MythicFrost]

My bad not sure where I got $99 from. So the comparison is far more reasonable then with iPhoto at $5 and Photoshop Touch at $10. Am I correct that Photoshop Touch has far more functionality for Photo edits?

I've not tried Photoshop Touch yet, it's not available for iPhone. I would imagine that would be true.

EDIT: Accidental double, oops!

 

[jtmarine73]

I have to agree. I have a call in to apple support. This really has me ticked off. Why in the world is a front-facing VGA camera a requirement for an app that can work on 12mp pics? The main camera on the ipad is only 5mp. If Apple doesn't fix this, and quick, they can expect a class action lawsuit. The iPad 2 came out a year ago, meaning the original iPad was still the main product 12 1/2 months ago. Now it's obsolete?

This is utter BS. The processor on the original iPad is the SAME chip (A4) with the SAME RAM as you find in the iPhone 4. Yet, almost magically - this program seems to work flawlessly on the iPhone 4. This is a not-so-subtle way for Apple to say "Hey, those of you who paid $500-700 on our first attempt to open a market, ****** off and buy a new tablet".

I expected better from Apple than this. I could deal with a slower performing app on the original iPad; but the fact that I'm not even given the opportunity to use the app just pisses me off. Same processor, same RAM as my iPhone 4 - there is no excuse for this crap.

 

[joegleur]

Can anyone speak to how snappy the app is on an iPad 2? I'm thinking about that versus a new iPad and wondering how the iLife apps run on the iPad 2...I only have GarageBand on my iPad 1 and it is kinda draggy and crashy. If these apps need the power of the new iPad to run effectively, then I won't bother with the iPad 2. Thanks.

all the iLife apps works fine on the iPad 2. snappy like a croc!

 

[mactmaster]

He's not complaining about the iLife icon being into the icon but I must agree the background of this icon is fugly.

I spent about 20 seconds making a mock up, I couldn't find a stock image of the palm tree horizon and I couldn't be bothered to reconstruct the image where the camera was so used a picture i took a while ago for the image. But I think a backing like this would have been cleaner

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I prefer the look of the grounded icon and the light table that the iPhoto icon sits on looks good to me. Much better than the floating icon look. I'm used to working on a light table so perhaps the I like it since the metaphor is familiar to me...

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Is there any way to delete photos from inside the iPhoto app?

 

[Mapmonkey]

iPad 1 owners- help is at hand

I have it working on my original iPad.

Google (search,anyway) is your friend!

This works for iPhoto as well.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/how-to-install-imovie-on-your-ipad-1/


It's no slower than any other app on my device, sure it probably flies on an iPad 2. For those folks commenting on the lack of support due to ram etc, unless you actually, really, truly know that's the reason for sure, please shut up. If you have the original iPad and it doesn't work well I think it's fair to comment. I don't like this kind of well you've got an old device so what do you expect. If you have a version 2 now, it'll happen to you soon too now that the third generation has been launched.

 

[Mac-Rumours]

I have it working on my original iPad.

Google (search,anyway) is your friend!

This works for iPhoto as well.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/how-to-install-imovie-on-your-ipad-1/


It's no slower than any other app on my device, sure it probably flies on an iPad 2. For those folks commenting on the lack of support due to ram etc, unless you actually, really, truly know that's the reason for sure, please shut up. If you have the original iPad and it doesn't work well I think it's fair to comment. I don't like this kind of well you've got an old device so what do you expect. If you have a version 2 now, it'll happen to you soon too now that the third generation has been launched.

I suggest we fire off a few emails to Apple / Tim Cook. Anyone got the email address?

As I said, this planned obsolescence is what's putting me off buying a new iPad, not encouraging me to buy.

 

[thekeyring]

So, iLife and iWork suites are now both on iOS. Can't wait to buy an iPod touch and get iPhoto. I wonder what's next in terms of desktop software transitioning to iOS?

 

[SteveJobs2.0]

So, iLife and iWork suites are now both on iOS. Can't wait to buy an iPod touch and get iPhoto. I wonder what's next in terms of desktop software transitioning to iOS?

You will see Apple working on transitioning all of the pro level Mac apps to their iOS counterparts.

 

[MythicFrost]

This is utter BS. The processor on the original iPad is the SAME chip (A4) with the SAME RAM as you find in the iPhone 4. Yet, almost magically - this program seems to work flawlessly on the iPhone 4. This is a not-so-subtle way for Apple to say "Hey, those of you who paid $500-700 on our first attempt to open a market, ****** off and buy a new tablet".

I expected better from Apple than this. I could deal with a slower performing app on the original iPad; but the fact that I'm not even given the opportunity to use the app just pisses me off. Same processor, same RAM as my iPhone 4 - there is no excuse for this crap.

I have to agree. I have a call in to apple support. This really has me ticked off. Why in the world is a front-facing VGA camera a requirement for an app that can work on 12mp pics? The main camera on the ipad is only 5mp. If Apple doesn't fix this, and quick, they can expect a class action lawsuit. The iPad 2 came out a year ago, meaning the original iPad was still the main product 12 1/2 months ago. Now it's obsolete?

The iPad 2 only has 256MB of RAM, whilst the iPhone 4 has 512MB RAM. And for all we know, the VGA camera requirement could be a mistake.

 

[milo]

I just can't believe that iPhoto doesn't have star ratings. Is there some reasoning behind that I'm missing, does apple want to get away from ratings for photos, or did they just not get around to including the functionality?