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iPod Tetris Game and Cube Effects?

thats a photoshop filter "Filter > Distort > Twrli..."
 

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beatle888 said:
thats a photoshop filter "Filter > Distort > Twrli..."
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Of course it's a Photoshop filter! He has done that to hide his s/n and his name!
Look at the rest of the pictures
 
Are you guys all morons? The first time a guy said that the first pic was fake, surely that guy must have been joking. OF COURSE HE USED PHOTOSHOP THERE - To hide his frickin' Name and iPod Serial Number!

Jesus!

Creating convincing pixel-lines like that are close to impossible. And believe me - I've used Photoshop professionally for compositing (and done all the fakery you can imagine) since version 1.0! That's 15 years of Photoshop work and I still couldn't fake this kind of thing (moirée lens warping with reflections and real lens focus? I'd probably go an easier route than that).

The one thing he COULD do to fake this is to create his screens on a computer first, and then display them on the iPod, like the guy with the Doom 3 pic.
 
Abstract said:
So the iPod takes advantage of Altivec, and so that makes the cube transition possible?
:confused:
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It's not PowerPC of course, but it does have two 160 MHz RISC (ARM7) processors in it. Documented capabilities here; it can handle simple movies, so this isn't really outlandish at all (and remember it's only a 220 x 176 16-bit display, this isn't as intensive as doing it on a huge horkin' monitor and it's doing the transition between static images).

I smellz a fakey.
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I'd rather see the MJPEG support turned on.
 
ErikGrim said:
Are you guys all morons? The first time a guy said that the first pic was fake, surely that guy must have been joking. OF COURSE HE USED PHOTOSHOP THERE - To hide his frickin' Name and iPod Serial Number!

Jesus!

Creating convincing pixel-lines like that are close to impossible. And believe me - I've used Photoshop professionally for compositing (and done all the fakery you can imagine) since version 1.0! That's 15 years of Photoshop work and I still couldn't fake this kind of thing (moirée lens warping with reflections and real lens focus? I'd probably go an easier route than that).

The one thing he COULD do to fake this is to create his screens on a computer first, and then display them on the iPod, like the guy with the Doom 3 pic.
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I think its fake.

I don't believe its fake because of the lining up of the pixels. Photoshop filters misalign them........that's the whole point of the filter!!

I think they're fake because they would be so easy to fake and get us riled up. How did this one German fellow get it? I don't believe his story, much like Arn doesn't.

And the transitions.... meh.

It's not PowerPC of course, but it does have two 160 MHz RISC (ARM7) processors in it. Documented capabilities here; it can handle simple movies, so this isn't really outlandish at all (and remember it's only a 220 x 176 16-bit display, this isn't as intensive as doing it on a huge horkin' monitor and it's doing the transition between static images).
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Yes, but an Intel chip of any sort would have a hard time doing the cube transition, or Exposé. I mean, when you use Exposé while watching a video, the video still frickin moves!!! Windows can't do that....they even acknowledge this, so while the processors are great and everything, I don't think they're doing this without Altivec and a graphics card, because P4s can't. I know the screens are larger on desktops, but point still stands.
 
Doraemon said:
Never played Tetris on the original Gameboy?
Best gameplay of all Tetris games and it was grayscale!
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Actually I did play it on a borrowed Gameboy. Just wasn't the same as the original "desktop", colored arcade Tetris I first tried it on. But linking two Gameboys together and playing Gauntlet: that was fun!
 
Abstract said:
I think its fake.

I don't believe its fake because of the lining up of the pixels. Photoshop filters misalign them........that's the whole point of the filter!!
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What are you on about? These are not photoshopped images, did you miss the 15-years experience in Photoshop? May I also mention that I am a photographer? These are photos of an iPod screen. Wether or not the images actually ON the screen are faked are a whole other subject matter.
Abstract said:
Yes, but an Intel chip of any sort would have a hard time doing the cube transition, or Exposé. I mean, when you use Exposé while watching a video, the video still frickin moves!!! Windows can't do that....they even acknowledge this, so while the processors are great and everything, I don't think they're doing this without Altivec and a graphics card, because P4s can't. I know the screens are larger on desktops, but point still stands.
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Uhm, you really have no idea what you are talking about at all, do you? Exposé are not made possible with any PPC-chip, AltiVec or what have you. Exposé is all OpenGL-surfaces rendered on the graphics card! This is the Quartz Extreme display system at work and has nothing to do with the CPU apart from the whole OS X only running on PPC chips-issue.
 
oh great,

I spend an hour on the Apple website the other night looking at the iPod range. I want to update my 15gb ipod, and get somethign with more space, as I use my iPod as a Firewire drive on many of my macintosh comptuers.

The photo is something I would love to have, and I am a BIG fan of tetris. Granted this game isn't enogh to steer me in the direction of buying a new ipod, but it is something to add to the scale :( .
 
dejo said:
Even though I am not sure if these new transitions and Tetris shots are fakes, here's how easy it was for me to make one:

LOOK! Doom3 running on an iPod photo!
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HAH, thank you.
 
ErikGrim said:
What are you on about? These are not photoshopped images, did you miss the 15-years experience in Photoshop? May I also mention that I am a photographer? These are photos of an iPod screen. Wether or not the images actually ON the screen are faked are a whole other subject matter.
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if they are fake, this guy is very pro. ive been a hardcore photoshop user and a photographer for some years now and them images are perfect examples of an iPod photo's screen. even down to the distance blur and everything.

what is interesting though, and i havnt used an iPod photo so forgive me if im wrong, but it could be possible he made some images on Photoshop to look identical to the iPods, and just displayed them full-screened on his iPod?
 
Abstract said:
Yes, but an Intel chip of any sort would have a hard time doing the cube transition, or Exposé. I mean, when you use Exposé while watching a video, the video still frickin moves!!! Windows can't do that....they even acknowledge this, so while the processors are great and everything, I don't think they're doing this without Altivec and a graphics card, because P4s can't. I know the screens are larger on desktops, but point still stands.
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I'm not sure what all this is about. The iPod doesn't run Windows, its CPUs aren't made by Intel, and the rumored transition involves a pair of static images, not moving ones. It wouldn't even have to require real time math in the iPod's case, since with the image and screen sizes all predefined the effect could be table driven. SIMD or a dedicated GPU would be overkill for that.
 
This thread's going round and round in circles...

Yes, it could be faked by being put full screen on the iPod photo...
Yes, tetris is on Linux for iPod...
Yes, the first image is photoshopped - but seemingly only to protect his name and serial number...

Hopefully those who don't bother to read the entire thread will at least note that these topics have been covered in detail...
 
hob said:
This thread's going round and round in circles...

Yes, it could be faked by being put full screen on the iPod photo...
Yes, tetris is on Linux for iPod...
Yes, the first image is photoshopped - but seemingly only to protect his name and serial number...

Hopefully those who don't bother to read the entire thread will at least note that these topics have been covered in detail...
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Wait, I'm confused... :rolleyes: :)
 
dejo said:
Yeah, grayscale Tetris. That'll be great... NOT!
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Yeah, it's not like Tetris was never incredibely popular on a grayscale portable console anyway.... [cough]Gameboy[/cough]. ;)
 
Three things:

1. This is clearly a fake. The "screenshots" were photoshopped, then displayed on the iPod as photos. End of story.

2. Tetris would kick ass in grayscale. My favourite tetris clone is the one for TI-83+, which is monochrome, not to mention the one I started with in System 6.

3. Control of Tetris would be easy on an iPod. Scroll wheel rotates, the button drops, and Bob's yer uncle.
 
MontyZ said:
I wish Apple would add this feature, too. I mean, if they can fade one song into the next, how hard would it be to remove the gap from continuous-play CDs broken into tracks?? I don't understand why they keep adding all these other doo-dads, but can't seem to add this one, which a lot of other people have asked for.
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Indeed! And even if it's a technical hurdle they just can't go around, I even found (and sent them) a solution that should be quite easy to implement.

In iTunes, when you join tracks for ripping, it stills rips it as one huge track (so you can go around the technical problem and have gapless playback), but it adds extra "start/stop" metadata so that you keep the "tracks" within the big, single file. Of course, you can't "split" those tracks (they're stuck together, if you only want one you have to have the others) but at least you keep gapless playback without losing the actual tracks.

Exemple:
Les chants magnétiques, by Jean Michel Jarre
The CD has 5 tracks. Tracks 2 to 4 need to be played without any gaps.

- Tracks 1 and 5 are ripped the usual way. Except that track 5 is still called track 5 (and not "track 3", like iTunes does at the moment if you join tracks 2 to 4).
- Tracks 2 to 4 are ripped as "joined tracks", resulting in one single track (as it currently is).

However, that "joined track" has extra start/stop metadata:
Track 2 start: 00:00:00
Track 2 stop: 05:25:12
Track 3 start: 05:25:12
Track 3 stop: 08:19:65
Track 4 start: 08:19:65
Track 4 stop: 14:31:54

Even better, since iTunes could detect the "zero second" gap between the tracks on the CD, it could pre-set the tracks as joined, automatically!

A new iTunes version and a simple iPod firmware update should do the trick after that. Just "hide" the single file to us, and act as if they were separate tracks (or maybe some subtle visual cue in iTunes but nothing that keeps us from seeing the separate tracks).
 
nagromme said:
Let the iPod Photo fakes roll in... you may start with this Windows program for extracting iPod GUI elements ;)

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000610023097/

(Not to mention that it lets you hack the firmware to CHANGE those elements if you're brave. Mac equivalent anyone?)
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Check my sig, it has the link to the mac equivalent that I created ;)

Added the following:

It would be very easy to fake this using alterPod (Mac, written by me), iPodIcons (Mac) or iPodWizard (Win).

I'm fairly sure that the iPod does have the processing power to achieve the new transitions, 2 ARM's should be enough to do that. The iPodLinux guys have already demoed some 3D Graphics on the older iPods, so the iPod Photo should be able to handle it no problem.

However, as someone who know's quite a bit about the iPod and it's firmware, I'm not willing to say yet weather this is real or not. I'll be doing some investigations and I'll let you all know what I can find out.

aprodite (aka cybernanga) has spoken)
 
raggedjimmi said:
if they are fake, this guy is very pro. ive been a hardcore photoshop user and a photographer for some years now and them images are perfect examples of an iPod photo's screen. even down to the distance blur and everything.

what is interesting though, and i havnt used an iPod photo so forgive me if im wrong, but it could be possible he made some images on Photoshop to look identical to the iPods, and just displayed them full-screened on his iPod?
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I'm abstaining from this conversation right now. :)

But let me just say... these are fake. It's clear they're fake... and if you read this thread, you'll know they're fake too.

It's funny to see all these photoshop "PROS" argue it can't be done... and then someone pointed out how to do it and display it on an ipod... and then the pros change their definitive answer. :eek:
 
Photoshop has nothing to do with it.

The swirls were added using photoshop, but they were added to the final picture that was taken of the iPod (to protect his name and serial), that much is clear from looking at the pixels.

Q1. Is it possible that Apple can add these new transitions, effects and Tetris to the iPod?
A1. Yes.

For those of you who doubt this, take a look at the avi's on this page for an example of an iPod displaying a 3D rotating cube, (both shaded and in wire frame), and playing tetris, chess, tic-tac-toe and a couple of other games.

Q2. Could the pic's that this guy has posted be fake?
A2. Yes, they could be faked easily.

Q3. How can we find out the truth?
A3. The only way we'll ever know if they are fake or not, is if the guy posts some video clips of his iPod. or he extracts the firmware and post's it online so that foolish people like myself can try it out, or we wait for Software Update to deliver the goods.

(Yes video can be faked, but if the iPod is in his hand and shaking slightly, it's soo much harder to fake that either we'd notice with a little inspection, or he probably wouldn't bother to take the time and energy.

I personally hope he leaks the firmware, cause that'll give me a few days of fun while I tear it apart.
 
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