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iPod Touch (a Touch OS X device)

penguy said:
you are correct, to a point. Apple does NOT normally do this, however. Point to ONE item where they have. I've seen upgrades for the same price, or similar features with some aspect downgraded (say iMac using Intel 950 for students in lieu of ATI for less $$).
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Apple is not the company it used to be obviously.

The cell market will not tolerate the ass reaming Apple gives with it's high prices on old technology (Apple Tax).

The fact is the iPhone was NOT selling very well at the prior price once the initial fans had all bought it. If Apple were satisfied with the sales pace do you really think they would have lowered the prices? No way in hell. Face it, Apple had to lower the price to continue sales momentum.

I saw the unit for the first time earlier this week. My first thought, neat phone but to me it was not $600 of phone.
 
tribulation said:
People this is an Apple Rev A device. I would HIGHLY recommend not buying it unless you want to be ripped off.

Do you think Apple came up with this product, had it designed, manufactured, and tested all within the last 2 months since the iPhone debuted? Obviously not. It's no secret that Apple was obviously planning the price reduction from day one. There's no component price fluctuation that could even come close to making up $200 worth of parts that drop in price in 2 months. None.

Apple took a very shady route and voluntarily ripped all of the early iPhone adopters and BEST MARKETERS they could have ever wished for. Here's the thing::

This thing has a max hard disk of 16 GB. They already dropped the smaller iPhone with good reason after only 2 months. 16 GB isn't much more when compared to other ipod-ish devices available now. Check out the newest Archos model for example. Sure, the interface isn't as good, but the space is exponentially larger. There's no doubt that Apple will dump this rev A version within a couple months max [again] and release a bigger version. 2-3 months from now and the iPhone is due for an actual physical upgrade if they want to stay competitive. 16 GB for a music & video player is atrocious for near-2008.

What happens then? Well, you will be screwed and PO'd like the iPhone buyers here. And again I'm not talking about normal product evolution and a normal pricing fluctuation. Apple has shown its core users a disgusting side of their quest for money. Mr. Jobs already said there will be No refunds for iPhone buyers. So even if that wasn't part of their original plan, it surely got a massive amount of negative media attention, yet when he had the chance to fix it even a bit [come on, even a $25 iTunes gift card would have sent a goodwill message to their users], he flat out poops on your face.

I'm not saying in any shape or form that products can't evolve and be marketed greatly. I am positive that this is a marketing and management blunder of unheard proportions for Apple fans. If you buy now, you will be sorry. There is no question of that. 😱
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http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/
 
jaydub said:
I'm sure that Apple is strategically choosing what to put on the iPod touch. They've got to give people some incentive to step up to the iPhone, and if there are key features which only the iPhone has, they'll go for it.
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iphone minus att equals itouch, which should remove the worst part of the iphone... att. Now I want one 😀:apple:
 
i like the idea of a iTouch app store within iTunes..
People get to pick and choose between the different apps from apple, (along with iphone users)

Think we'll see the iphone aps and others coming being sold to us?
 
matznentosh said:
My daughter pointed out to me that her computer automatically accesses everyone's iTunes libraries in her dorm building (I'm an old fogey, no iPod or iPhone, I have to hear about this stuff second hand).

So would the wireless iPod Touch and the iPhone be able to do that too? if so, you wouldn't have to have such a big hard drive, the smaller flash would be fine, you wouldn't have to keep much on your iPod at all. It would just stream from your larger library, like the Apple TV does.
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Makes the find my mac app Jobs displayed as a part of Leopard more interesting. If you could access across wi-fi then memory size would not be as important. Improve battery life and size constraints.
 
Sorry to harp on about it, but the big advantage of a built-in Mail client over Safari is that it allows you to compose messages while you're offline, which can then be sent next time you connect via Wi-Fi. This would be a major plus point, and the necessary software already exists within the iPhone, so why not include it?

I'm not at all convinced that this is necessary for product differentiation, since the iPhone is a phone (surprise!) and the iPod touch isn't -- what more differentiation do you need?! Perhaps we can persuade Apple to reconsider their decision to omit the Mail app before the shipping date. I mean, I know it's supposed to be a music player, but why stop there? 😉
 
philoscoffee said:
I'm not at all convinced that this is necessary for product differentiation, since the iPhone is a phone (surprise!) and the iPod touch isn't -- what more differentiation do you need?! Perhaps we can persuade Apple to reconsider their decision to omit the Mail app before the shipping date. I mean, I know it's supposed to be a music player, but why stop there? 😉
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I would say that the chance that it can be copied over with minimal hacks is like 99%, along with the other apps.

I'm not going to order until later since they're not shipping yet anyway. If its 100% critical that you get Mail, then just wait a few days after its available, until other people get the Touches first. Copying over Mail is gonna be one of the first things people try to do.
 
philoscoffee said:
Sorry to harp on about it, but the big advantage of a built-in Mail client over Safari is that it allows you to compose messages while you're offline, which can then be sent next time you connect via Wi-Fi. This would be a major plus point, and the necessary software already exists within the iPhone, so why not include it?

I'm not at all convinced that this is necessary for product differentiation, since the iPhone is a phone (surprise!) and the iPod touch isn't -- what more differentiation do you need?! Perhaps we can persuade Apple to reconsider their decision to omit the Mail app before the shipping date. I mean, I know it's supposed to be a music player, but why stop there? 😉
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Dont worry. They will get mail.app ported over somehow...
 
Moronic

tribulation said:
People this is an Apple Rev A device. I would HIGHLY recommend not buying it unless you want to be ripped off.
Do you think Apple came up with this product, had it designed, manufactured, and tested all within the last 2 months since the iPhone debuted? Obviously not. It's no secret that Apple was obviously planning the price reduction from day one. There's no component price fluctuation that could even come close to making up $200 worth of parts that drop in price in 2 months. None.
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First of all, NO ONE WAS RIPPED OFF. THEY CHOSE TO BUY IT AT THE PRICE THEY PAID. No one is claiming that price reductions in components caused the drop in the iPhone price. And YES, OBVIOUSLY they had a price reduction planned since day one. It's called spending millions of dollars on development of a new product for an entirely new market with untested technology, untested consumer response, etc etc etc. The reason ALL CELLPHONES start off with a large price premium is to recoup some of that initial production cost at the critical time when they do not know if the product will become a success or not. Most early adopters know this and deal with it. It has nothing to do with Apple being evil or greedy, it is standard text-book business practice. This is why my Razr cellphone I paid over $350 for only 18 months ago is now selling for under $100.


Apple took a very shady route and voluntarily ripped all of the early iPhone adopters and BEST MARKETERS they could have ever wished for.
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Again, Apple did NOTHING shady and they didn't rip anyone off. I am so sick of STUPID AMERICANS ALWAYS BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE BUT THEMSELVES.
It is this type of unwarranted lack of self-responsibility that continually reduces my patriotism. 😉

Here's the thing:
This thing has a max hard disk of 16 GB. They already dropped the smaller iPhone with good reason after only 2 months. 16 GB isn't much more when compared to other ipod-ish devices available now. Check out the newest Archos model for example. Sure, the interface isn't as good, but the space is exponentially larger. There's no doubt that Apple will dump this rev A version within a couple months max [again] and release a bigger version. 2-3 months from now and the iPhone is due for an actual physical upgrade if they want to stay competitive. 16 GB for a music & video player is atrocious for near-2008.
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JEEZ ... ITS FLASH MEMORY! I doubt Archos has 128 GIGS of NAND flash in their device. And if Apple did, the device would cost a fortune! and then you'd be moaning about the price. And don't even say they should have a put a 1.8" HDD in the device. The whole concept of the iPhone/Ipod Touch is the ultra-responsive gorgeous interface, lightweight and ultra-thing design. Plus the battery life. All these aspects would be much more compromised by sticking a clunky spinning disk in there.

What happens then? Well, you will be screwed and PO'd like the iPhone buyers here. And again I'm not talking about normal product evolution and a normal pricing fluctuation. Apple has shown its core users a disgusting side of their quest for money. Mr. Jobs already said there will be No refunds for iPhone buyers. So even if that wasn't part of their original plan, it surely got a massive amount of negative media attention, yet when he had the chance to fix it even a bit [come on, even a $25 iTunes gift card would have sent a goodwill message to their users], he flat out poops on your face.

I'm not saying in any shape or form that products can't evolve and be marketed greatly. I am positive that this is a marketing and management blunder of unheard proportions for Apple fans. If you buy now, you will be sorry. There is no question of that. 😱
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Wrong, I will buy "now" and there is no question I WON'T BE SORRY.
I'm getting just the device I wanted: An iPhone without the phone features for an excellent price. And Even one with DOUBLE THE MEMORY of the best iPhone. It still amazes me how much people can bi*ch and moan on here.
An outsider reading this forums would think Apple is the worst company on the planet.

Go buy an iPhone and GET OVER IT!
 
i love thew new iPod touch it has everything i want.....

i have a question though...

do you think more apps (real ones) will be added to the "home screen"....it just looks too empty compared to the iPhone...i know i know...the iPhone has more...but do you think apple will introduce anymore new apps for it? anything from iChat? or any other applications?
 
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hatcher146 said:
i love thew new iPod touch it has everything i want.....

i have a question though...

do you think more apps (real ones) will be added to the "home screen"....it just looks too empty compared to the iPhone...i know i know...the iPhone has more...but do you think apple will introduce anymore new apps for it? anything from iChat? or any other applications?
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Yes, I think they will definitely be adding more apps, maybe even an Itunes "App" section like the games for the ipod. This is obviously easily done, and I see no reason why not.
 
hatcher146 said:
i love thew new iPod touch it has everything i want.....

i have a question though...

do you think more apps (real ones) will be added to the "home screen"....it just looks too empty compared to the iPhone...i know i know...the iPhone has more...but do you think apple will introduce anymore new apps for it? anything from iChat? or any other applications?
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I"m thinking that more apps might be added in the future too.......the screen does appear like its missing a few things that may come down the track
 
Question: Is there a playlist-on-the-go feature on iPhone/Touch? You know, so you can load up a bunch of songs to play? I know you can do it from your home computer, obviously, but that's no good in the car later on or at the spontaneous get-together. The one-at-a-time nature of the iPod always seemed a little clunky. And with multitouch, this seems like a no-brainer function (that actually adds useful functionality). Surely someone has thought of this.
 
To me the empty home screen just screams "hack me and add apps" &/or Apple has much more planned for the iPhone and iPod touch.

I'd really like to see notes added to the touch, just seems like it would be a easy way to take down assignments while you're rushing out of class off to lunch or to the other side of campus where your next class is.
 
walala said:
I'd like to know about (the iPod Touch working with Cisco VPNs) as well...
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It might. We have Cisco WiFi here at work, but we lock it down something fierce (until recently you had to use CISCO PCMCIA Wireless cards) with EAP-FAST and such that my iPhone does not support, so I can't connect.

However, my experience with VPN is that you need a client (either built-in or third party) and I am not sure the iPhone/iPod Touch has that...



tribulation said:
People this is an Apple Rev A device.
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Yes, same as the iPhone on which it is based.


This thing has a max hard disk of 16 GB...16 GB isn't much more when compared to other ipod-ish devices available now.
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Because 16MB is about the maximum amount you can put in and maintain a "reasonable" price-point that appeals to enough people to make the RoI worth it.


Check out the newest Archos model for example. Sure, the interface isn't as good, but the space is exponentially larger.
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The capacity isn't the only thing that is larger on it... To fit the HDD and the larger battery to keep it alive for hours the entire form factor and weight is larger then the iPod Touch.


WannaGoMac said:
The fact is the iPhone was NOT selling very well at the prior price once the initial fans had all bought it. If Apple were satisfied with the sales pace do you really think they would have lowered the prices? No way in hell. Face it, Apple had to lower the price to continue sales momentum.
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Almost one million units moved 60 days after product launch is not something to sneeze at.

I really think what drove the iPhone's price down was a desire not to stuff the iPod Touch with 32GB or even 64GB of flash which would have pushed prices to $599 or even more. Right now, folks are thinking "gee, for the same price I should get an iPhone" at $399. I bet at $599 for a 32GB iPod Touch they'd think the same, and really think it at $799 for a 64GB Model. And they'd still carp that 32GB/64GB was too little storage capacity. 😛

So with the iPod Touch at 16GB and a $299/$399 price to keep it competitive with other 16GB PMPs on the market, that meant a $200/$300 gap to the iPhone, which while offering more features and functionality, does so at a hefty premium. Plus the iPhone itself was soon to be under threat from cheaper advanced cellphones and Windows Mobile 6 Smartphones.

So Apple had to cut the iPhone's price...
 
good thing. i really am hoping they add more apps. i mean NOTES. come on. that has to be on there. i just hope they add a few more. i love the touch iPod its just so....sexy and i dunno. and it has safari and youtube. im very happy about those. so many people are complaining about it. get over it and get the classic. i love the touch iPod. but the 200$ iPhone price drop is very convincing. i love that. but i think im still going to go for the touch. when do you think apple will release a higher storage iPhone rev b. iPhone?
 
CWallace said:
Almost one million units moved 60 days after product launch is not something to sneeze at.

I really think what drove the iPhone's price down was a desire not to stuff the iPod Touch with 32GB or even 64GB of flash which would have pushed prices to $599 or even more. Right now, folks are thinking "gee, for the same price I should get an iPhone" at $399. I bet at $599 for a 32GB iPod Touch they'd think the same, and really think it at $799 for a 64GB Model. And they'd still carp that 32GB/64GB was too little storage capacity. 😛

So with the iPod Touch at 16GB and a $299/$399 price to keep it competitive with other 16GB PMPs on the market, that meant a $200/$300 gap to the iPhone, which while offering more features and functionality, does so at a hefty premium. Plus the iPhone itself was soon to be under threat from cheaper advanced cellphones and Windows Mobile 6 Smartphones.

So Apple had to cut the iPhone's price...
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I wasn't sneezing at the iPhone sales. However, it is not near 1 million sold in 60 days. Not sure where you're getting that as SJ said yesterday they were on track for the end of September. But no definites.

again, they would not lower the price if they didn't have to... why would they walk away from $200 more profit unless they had to?

I think it is a great sign of change at apple. Maybe they will stop selling old hardware for current prices (i.e. refresh more than 1x a year on the macs!!)
 
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