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hmm. how many iphones have this happened to, or is it generally exclusive to the touch?

a little off topic, but how can apple charge £50 ($100) more for the same ipod touch in the UK??

i guess we're paying for all that iphone US instore credit...
 
My new iPod touch is the best iPod yet. But... there are some features that I wish it had. Obviously the Web clients such as Mail, Google Maps, etc. But the thing about the screen issue, I sure do see it. Now, I have always been a fan of Apple, but now I am sort of getting frustrated about the quality of their products. I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but hopefully Apple will reimburse us some type of credit for these screen issues. I am not returning mine to get a new iPod. I went an hour out of my life to buy one, and they want me to do it again to EXCHANGE it. I'm not all that pleased Mr. Jobs, I want some type of reimbursement. Thank you.
 
i had already decided to get the touch, but i wanted to wait for the first reviews. and it's a good thing i did. my purchase has been postponed indefinitely until these issues have been resolved. while i WANT the touch, i do not NEED it. i can wait. and if apple wants my money, they need to get their act together.
 
It's funny, but you're so right.

Around the time Jobs came back and the iMac was introduced, things have slowly gotten worse and worse.

And I do mean slowly. Slightly cheaper parts with each generation, slightly more problems with rev A's... the machines from '92-'97 or so were solid as a rock. I still know people who run PowerMac 9600s as daily machines!

A lot of it isn't all Apple's fault: it's the market. I do agree that quality has slipped (my iMac DV SE from back in 2000 needed an MB, HD, and analog board changed out of it...all on separate occasions). But in order for Apple to keep up and stay competitive, they have to keep prives down and "cool features" up. Gone are the days where people were ok with dumping $7k on a computer. All the other companies are dropping out $699 POSes that appeal to people just because they are $699. So Apple needs to make cool stuff to keep interest. Problem is, cool stuff is inherently more expensive. So to offset this, they keep getting worse and worse parts suppliers in Taiwan, China, etc to keep the costs down for us and profit up with them. Am I happy about it? No: i'd rather pay $699 for an iPod Touch that is perfect rather than $399 for one that isn't. The problem is, most people wouldn't because if it is grossly overpriced, cool won't be enough to sell it alone.
 
A lot of it isn't all Apple's fault: it's the market. I do agree that quality has slipped (my iMac DV SE from back in 2000 needed an MB, HD, and analog board changed out of it...all on separate occasions). But in order for Apple to keep up and stay competitive, they have to keep prives down and "cool features" up. Gone are the days where people were ok with dumping $7k on a computer. All the other companies are dropping out $699 POSes that appeal to people just because they are $699. So Apple needs to make cool stuff to keep interest. Problem is, cool stuff is inherently more expensive. So to offset this, they keep getting worse and worse parts suppliers in Taiwan, China, etc to keep the costs down for us and profit up with them. Am I happy about it? No: i'd rather pay $699 for an iPod Touch that is perfect rather than $399 for one that isn't. The problem is, most people wouldn't because if it is grossly overpriced, cool won't be enough to sell it alone.

I agree fully. I do believe that Apple needs to do something about this huge problem. Like I said before, I am not being sarcastic but I think some type of a reimbursement will be satisfactory.
 
I agree fully. I do believe that Apple needs to do something about this huge problem. Like I said before, I am not being sarcastic but I think some type of a reimbursement will be satisfactory.

One mine actually ships...I will have to see for myself just how bad this is. If it is truly awful...you may be right.
 
thats becase the 16 gig ones are shpping first. I dont' think i've heard of any 8 gigs out in the wild... i could be wrong though.

I have an 8 GB model, that I bought on Friday morning, but I don't think there are many 8 GB's out in the wild yet. BTW, my Touch is working great, but I will continue to put it through its paces.
 
One mine actually ships...I will have to see for myself just how bad this is. If it is truly awful...you may be right.

It's not just the screen (mainly it though) but other problems have risen too. The crippled iPhone features are horrible. The Safari client is nice, but when I go to certain websites (such as aol.com, nfl.com) the client crashes. Hopefully I do get some money back from Apple.
 
What amazes me is Microsoft/Dell/Sony hasn't figured this out yet. It's Apple's achieles heal. If I were working at one of those companies, I would position Apple as the "Ferrari" of the IT world. Beautiful, sure, but expensive and so riddled with quality issues, that the car is in the shop most of the time.

The reason why you won't see Microsoft/Dell/Sony attack Apple's quality control is because they have much worst quality control problems.

From the high failure rates of the xBox 360 (between 30 - 35%), Sony's PS3 not being as backward compatible with the PS2 and Dell....where would on begin!
 
Apple needs to give those Chinese people a rase, I'm not joking. The quality control is really slipping.

Well, then you would just have the same workers screwing stuff up but making more money while they are at it.

So you have to (1) fire everyone and then (2) raise salaries, then (3) re-hire with more stringent requirements and hopefully this will be easier since the higher salary should attract more experienced/detail oriented laborers.

But you've got the right idea. You get what you pay for in the labor market. Cheaper isn't always better.
 
You'll be waiting....

Alright, I've heard enough - my order has been cancelled. Until I can come to this forum and see that people are happy with the QC on the touch, I'm not going to buy it. I also don't want to buy it from the apple store because of their ridiculous return policies. I'll wait for it to come to future shop...they have a great return policy.

You'll be waiting a long time.

People on this forum are never happy or satisfied. And like I said the majority of the people posting are the minority of the people buying the iPod Touch. The happy campers are too busy enjoying their new toys to post.

And the negative people in two weeks will be going gun ho about the "new" iPod Touch.

If I was you I would buy one (at an Apple Store) and if you don't like it return it, but make up your own mind.
 
I have to admit, I am one of those blind-faith kind of idiots, so we will see how it goes when it gets here.
 
Golden Age?

If you want to go back to the "Golden" time of Apple quality you need to go way back to the days of the PowerMac 7500. That thing was a brick house. Every thing I had before that (LC, Centris, etc..) was flawless and overbuilt. Everything after that seemed to have some kind of anoying design flaw or component faliure. Current Apple stuff is still pretty darn good but those were the days...

Having used Macs since, well since there were called just Macintoshs, I have to say there never was a golden age for Apple. I'm not saying that their products sucked, but there has always been problems/issues/bugs.

Don't let anyone fool you!

This is pretty much normal, the only thing that has changed is that now there are forums where people can openly vent about problems/issues/bugs (or PIBs for short).
 
8 gig ipod touch

I purchased my 8 gig ipod touch here in the Phoenix AZ apple store (last one ;) well anyway i do not have this problem with the black screen my Mom and my brother both got the iphone the second it was released and my screen looks just as good as theres playing the same videos side by side i have been trying to snap a picture but i keep grabing to much glare i will try to get some when i get home tonight.

I think that the 8 gig ipod touchs might not have been efected by this screen issue so anybody else out there want to shed some light on there 8 gig models?

Oh and to the people who are worried about it not having more PDA functionality don't worry about that we will be having all of that shortly just give it some time look how far people have came with as little time as iphone now it can be unlocked fully and run 3rd party aps. and look at the guys who did ipod linux (and others) "where there is a will there is a way" we WILL be having those iphone aps soon and that is ONLY the begining.

forgot to quote it but a guy on a earlier post posted that all these people claiming to cancel there orders for there ipod touch i call bs on some if not all i do not doubt it stopped you from buying one after the fact but people who usually pre-order something do not back out so easily.:confused: just my opinion though
 
It's not just the screen (mainly it though) but other problems have risen too. The crippled iPhone features are horrible. The Safari client is nice, but when I go to certain websites (such as aol.com, nfl.com) the client crashes. Hopefully I do get some money back from Apple.

What like a rebate? Dream on. If you don't like it return it.

Didn't you try it out before you bought it? You know go to your favorite websites?

The NFL website is actually a pretty bad website to began with. I believe they have a lot of Flash in play there. So unless you've been living under a rock for the last couple of months you would know that the neither the iPhone or the iPod Touch currently support Flash. This is not a Safari issue as much as Adobe needs to port the Flash plugin to support the ARM Processor.
 
I remember seeing what happened between the early iMac G5 and later G5's thinking it was going downhill. True, it is in the inside of the case where most will never see it. But, I dunno, I've got respect for things that are architected well. It is like if you see your house being built and the contractors involved are using good, hand picked lumber and not cutting corners in places that will be theoretically hidden from view.

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You'll be waiting a long time.

People on this forum are never happy or satisfied. And like I said the majority of the people posting are the minority of the people buying the iPod Touch. The happy campers are too busy enjoying their new toys to post.

And the negative people in two weeks will be going gun ho about the "new" iPod Touch.

If I was you I would buy one (at an Apple Store) and if you don't like it return it, but make up your own mind.

As of now, in my eyes, it appears that most of the iPod touches (sp?) out there have some sort of problem. So it's for that reason I cancelled my online order - I don't want to have to call apple, send it back, etc, it's a big headache (those who have done it before will probably agree).

I don't want to buy at my local apple store because I don't think it's right to have to "prove" that there's a problem with it. At Future Shop, if you say there's a problem with it, they take it back. I worked at FS this summer, and while the company isn't perfect (What company is?), what I do think they have is that they (often) provide great customer service.

I bought a laptop there a few years ago (around 5), and it was really great, except that in the 2nd week of usage, I noticed that the floppy drive wasn't working (yeah, go ahead and laugh - it had a floppy drive!).

So I go back to FS, and I go to the customer service counter, and although I was waiting in line for a bit (whatever), once it was my turn, I simply said the floppy drive doesn't work. She offered me either a full refund, or an exchange, or another model. I asked for an exchange. They called the technician over and he just wanted to make sure everything was in the box and that nothing was missing/scratched. Then, they called a salesman over to go get my a new one. And that was that.

This summer though, they changed it a bit - now the technician sometimes opens up the ram/hd bay to see if the customer took any of it out before trying to return it. But the exchange process is pretty much the same.

In fact, I sold someone a MacBook once. As salesmen, we get to keep track of our sales/returns (obviously returns mean that we didn't satisfy the customers need enough, so our ranking would go down a bit). But it just so happened that instead of me finding out he returned it in the computer, I saw him come back in person because his macbook wasn't working well, he said it was overheating and that it was much louder than his friend's ( I was standing there at customer service while this happened). Simply enough, I went to get him a new one and he was off. He never came back after that.

What happens when I try and return a MacBook? This happens.

That being said, I now laugh at Apple's return policy.

I know that if I buy my iPod Touch from FS and that if there's even one single dead pixel, I won't have to call the corporate office in order to get a replacement.

FS and BB have many problems, but so does Apple, both in terms of QC and customer service. And in my case, I'd rather deal with FS's and BB's rather than with Apple's.
 
What like a rebate? Dream on. If you don't like it return it.

Didn't you try it out before you bought it? You know go to your favorite websites?

The NFL website is actually a pretty bad website to began with. I believe they have a lot of Flash in play there. So unless you've been living under a rock for the last couple of months you would know that the neither the iPhone or the iPod Touch currently support Flash. This is not a Safari issue as much as Adobe needs to port the Flash plugin to support the ARM Processor.

I went to a Best Buy to buy it and they didn't have anyone on display. I've been waiting for this product since the iPhone was announced back in June. And yes, a rebate would be satisfactory for me. And about the whole rock thing, no I haven't. I knew more about this product minutes after it was announced then you will know in a lifetime. But I never thought that a website could hurt a product so badly. That is inexcusable, and besides, everyone is demanding for those "extra" applications that the iPhone has. The iPod touch is crippled, but hopefully it will recover. And no, I have no intentions on returning it since even though it has its flaws, it's the best MP3 player in the world. But those kinks that are just stupid to have, are uncalled for.

My point of view, and hopefully someone from Apple is reading this.:apple:
 
Hmm, got to admit this has me worried. I've counted maybe 2 people in this thread who are actually happy with their screens.

Maybe it's just that most people only have something to say when it's negative (rings true) but who knows....

It seems to prove my theory that Apple really didn't want to make an "iPod Touch" but threw one together... quite literally... to avoid embarrassment with all the rumours. And because they had to drop the price of the iPhone to keep it competitive with the new product, that gets a cheap and nasty screen too.

I so hope it's wrong. Otherwise Apple have started Cutting Corners, which I'd always believed (even when people said otherwise) they they didn't do. After all we pay a premium for Apple products, it's nice to think that it's going towards something other than the brand name.

I know it's kind of silly, but I've watched the *boxes* for iPods deterioriate in quality from the exciting split cube box of the 3rd gen to the very unexciting and basic one you get nowadays. Packaging is one of the most pointless things around in theory, but in practice it's a place to show off your attention to detail.

Don't know what to do. I thought a 14-day return policy was law in the UK for online orders, but seemingly that only applies to finance or insurance policies. I'd always planned that if the Touch was a lemon rather than an Apple, it'd go straight back...
 
As of now, in my eyes, it appears that most of the iPod touches (sp?) out there have some sort of problem. So it's for that reason I cancelled my online order - I don't want to have to call apple, send it back, etc, it's a big headache (those who have done it before will probably agree).

I don't want to buy at my local apple store because I don't think it's right to have to "prove" that there's a problem with it. At Future Shop, if you say there's a problem with it, they take it back. I worked at FS this summer, and while the company isn't perfect (What company is?), what I do think they have is that they (often) provide great customer service.

I bought a laptop there a few years ago (around 5), and it was really great, except that in the 2nd week of usage, I noticed that the floppy drive wasn't working (yeah, go ahead and laugh - it had a floppy drive!).

So I go back to FS, and I go to the customer service counter, and although I was waiting in line for a bit (whatever), once it was my turn, I simply said the floppy drive doesn't work. She offered me either a full refund, or an exchange, or another model. I asked for an exchange. They called the technician over and he just wanted to make sure everything was in the box and that nothing was missing/scratched. Then, they called a salesman over to go get my a new one. And that was that.

This summer though, they changed it a bit - now the technician sometimes opens up the ram/hd bay to see if the customer took any of it out before trying to return it. But the exchange process is pretty much the same.

In fact, I sold someone a MacBook once. As salesmen, we get to keep track of our sales/returns (obviously returns mean that we didn't satisfy the customers need enough, so our ranking would go down a bit). But it just so happened that instead of me finding out he returned it in the computer, I saw him come back in person because his macbook wasn't working well, he said it was overheating and that it was much louder than his friend's ( I was standing there at customer service while this happened). Simply enough, I went to get him a new one and he was off. He never came back after that.

What happens when I try and return a MacBook? This happens.

That being said, I now laugh at Apple's return policy.

I know that if I buy my iPod Touch from FS and that if there's even one single dead pixel, I won't have to call the corporate office in order to get a replacement.

FS and BB have many problems, but so does Apple, both in terms of QC and customer service. And in my case, I'd rather deal with FS's and BB's rather than with Apple's.

Just read your story and have to say that your sister encountered a bad employee. Does that happen, yes, since you're in retail you should know first hand.

I don't want to get into a debate over Apple's Customer support. However, let me share with you two stories. My sister brought in an old iBook to a local Apple Store. All she knew about it was that it didn't work, that it was old and that it might have Apple Care. After about five minutes with the Apple Genius she was told that the computer did have Apple Care and they shipped it out and a week later she had a fixed iBook. Two weeks later she brings another iBook in and they do the same thing. Quick and easy.

A few months ago, my nephew's iBook died, so I brought it into the Apple Store and again after five minutes we determined what was wrong and what the current warranty was on the iBook. This one was not under warranty and Apple Care was not purchased for it, however the Genius advised me what to do and gave me some options. Yet, another good experience.

Your sister should have looked into Apple's return policy. There is no restocking fee for a damaged (less than a day you say) computer! She should have tried to talk to the same sales rep. that sold her the computer and if she didn't know who that was, she should have had them look it up (that information is available) and if she was not satisfied, she should have contacted the manager.

Granted in a perfect situation, the computer would be perfect and if it wasn't then the employees at the store that sold it to her should be bending over backwards for her, but that's not always the case (a good friend of mine bought a Jeep Commander and paid cash for it. When she drove it off the lot the sun roof was leaking. She returned it, and the sales person wanted to schedule a repair. She told them they could either repair the car then or give her a new car or give her a refund. They repaired the car and then she brought it to a car wash and it still leaked, so she went back to the dealer and demanded a refund and got one!).
 
I went to a Best Buy to buy it and they didn't have anyone on display. I've been waiting for this product since the iPhone was announced back in June. And yes, a rebate would be satisfactory for me. And about the whole rock thing, no I haven't. I knew more about this product minutes after it was announced then you will know in a lifetime. But I never thought that a website could hurt a product so badly. That is inexcusable, and besides, everyone is demanding for those "extra" applications that the iPhone has. The iPod touch is crippled, but hopefully it will recover. And no, I have no intentions on returning it since even though it has its flaws, it's the best MP3 player in the world. But those kinks that are just stupid to have, are uncalled for.

My point of view, and hopefully someone from Apple is reading this.:apple:
The iPod Touch is not a crippled iPhone. If it had Bluetooth and Phone hardware built into it and had them disabled via software, then I would call it a crippled iPhone, but it does not.

Is the iPod Classic a crippled iPod Touch, because it doesn't have a touch screen? No, because it's not a feature of the product. So how can you call the iPod Touch a crippled iPhone. It does what's it's advertised to do.

If you really new more about the iPod touch upon it's launch than I would know in a lifetime (a bet I'm willing to take since you didn't know that the NFL website would crash it and I did, because it crashed in the iPhone...) then why didn't you know that it didn't support Flash?

Don't hold your breath for a rebate. You won't be seeing one. However, if there is a defect in your iPod Touch, I recommend that you get a new one and complain about it.
 
a little off topic, but how can apple charge £50 ($100) more for the same ipod touch in the UK??

Because they can. The UK consumers will whine but still buy.

Rip Off Britain.

The British should strike like the French do.. French are very good and effective and tend to get what they want as a result.

The iPod Touch is not a crippled iPhone. If it had Bluetooth and Phone hardware built into it and had them disabled via software, then I would call it a crippled iPhone, but it does not.

Customer expectations. When SJ said its like an iPhone with the telephone part.. people expected it to have the same iPhone software ( except for what he said was missing - widgets etc ). Then a week later, Apple start removing features..
 
My Local Best Buy had one on display, but it looks like Apple ships these with hardly any content on it for video or music. It had the same two vids the nano sports, the one about the skaters and a Promo for ESPN. The Skating vid was'nt the best test of the screen, but it did have some black and white sections. First thing I had to do was take it out of "Torch" mode BB jacks the brightness to Full. I put it about Midway. I saw none of the evidence of the really bad screens I've been seeing here. I could see no negatives in the blacks, and the Detail was OK. That being said, I think this screen is never going to be what the Iphone is. The Contrast just isn't there, the deep rich blacks are missing, being somewhat of a contrast whore I'm definately skipping the Touch. The Screen IMHO does'nt even come close to my Cowon A2, or the 1st Gen PSP either, although it's closer to the PSP. Now it may just be that Touchscreens cannot be that detailed or contrasty. I hear the Archos 604 was better than it's successor the 605 in reproducing blacks. The Difference touchscreen.

But besides the screen, I saw really slow load times on the Safari browser and You Tube. I wanted something snappier than the PSP browser and my Axim browser but sadly this ain't it. So if I can ever get thru to Apple I'm cancelling my Preorder...
 
My Local Best Buy had one on display, but it looks like Apple ships these with hardly any content on it for video or music. It had the same two vids the nano sports, the one about the skaters and a Promo for ESPN. The Skating vid was'nt the best test of the screen, but it did have some black and white sections. First thing I had to do was take it out of "Torch" mode BB jacks the brightness to Full. I put it about Midway. I saw none of the evidence of the really bad screens I've been seeing here. I could see no negatives in the blacks, and the Detail was OK. That being said, I think this screen is never going to be what the Iphone is. The Contrast just isn't there, the deep rich blacks are missing, being somewhat of a contrast whore I'm definately skipping the Touch. The Screen IMHO does'nt even come close to my Cowon A2, or the 1st Gen PSP either, although it's closer to the PSP. Now it may just be that Touchscreens cannot be that detailed or contrasty. I hear the Archos 604 was better than it's successor the 605 in reproducing blacks. The Difference touchscreen.

But besides the screen, I saw really slow load times on the Safari browser and You Tube. I wanted something snappier than the PSP browser and my Axim browser but sadly this ain't it. So if I can ever get thru to Apple I'm cancelling my Preorder...

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it had a weak wireless connection. I mean you were at Best Buy for goodness sakes. Everyone says if you have a strong connection then Safari should be plenty fast.
 
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