iPod Video Photo

[mazola]

Wow, that "guy" could have saved a lot of time if he read my original post. Ehh.

I think the Chinese writing holds a clue. If only we knew what it meant!

 

[pdpfilms]

I think the Chinese writing holds a clue. If only we knew what it meant!

Ohh my G0D!!!

I really hope you're kidding.

 

[nagromme]

If that "Origami" device is real, and it's 7.5 x 4 x 1.5 inches... then it missed a rather important window for me An INCH AND A HALF THICK? Lose the fancy breakable hinges and make it thin like an iPod, PDA, or phone please.

... It has sensing technology that rotates the screen based on it's postion in space when the screen is activated. Thats the only explanation because how many times would you pick it up and go, doh upside down again.

The same would be true of any iPod: they all have the same shape upside down or upside right, until you actually look at it.

As for portrait vs. landscape, the simplest solution is just use portrait (like other iPods)... for everything but video playback.

Please God No!

That thing Gates is holding may rip off Apple style, but look at the extra buttons and lights and doodads around the frame. Which means it's not what's seen in today's photos, but it IS in classic Windows style

And unexpectedly so. Some blacks like the chord take a while to disappear, but the red rectangle in particular, behaves oddly.

If you take an untouched photo and try this, most areas of the image will disappear at the same time, the blackest blacks being the last to go.

Interesting things to think about. But tour average unretouched photos doesn't have SELF-illuminated objects in it.

(And why would anyone add the Chinese writing in Photoshop? It's easider one with a pen on the tape.)

IT'S A FAKE. The guy even admitted to it already and showed his source pic.

If only people would read the damn thread.

I've read the tread, and he did NOT admit it was a fake. He doesn't seem to be the creator of the image. He was showing how it COULD have been faked. I don't believe in the image, but the admission you talk about is incorrect I believe.

 

[nagromme]

I think the Chinese writing holds a clue. If only we knew what it meant!

It's "here" or "this side," just for anyone who's joining us late

(Sorry for double post, thought I hit Edit.)

 

[cornfedgrowth]

look at the corner

I dont know if someone else already pointed this out, but If you look at the upper right corner of the scrren, there is some weird light pixels. To me this looks like the color bars were pasted over the screen. Why, if your already posting pictures of the new iPod, paste something over the screen? I'm thinking fake.

 

[LoMo]

OK, I totally believe you. Umm, though I'm a bit confused...first you say it's simplified Chinese, which I already knew from the translation widget, but then you say that it's not computer font, though the writer "could be trying to write in print." Which is it? In Japanese anyway, handwriting is never supposed to look have shinnyou (left side L shaped thing) like that, which is only found in printed matter. I obviously applied that thinking to Chinese, since really it's not much simpler to copy the font since the print is that way for legibility, and furthermore there are a couple Chinese fonts that look more like handwritten characters.

I'd thought it could more likely mean "this side up" from experimenting with the widget, which returned the same thing as "this side" but a different thing for "this side down". I'll eat my words on that one.

You won me over by explaining why two sources claiming to have Chinese coworkers came up with "this side" and "here," separately. Makes sense.

I had also thought that in Japanese it would have just been ??(hope that turns out right), but that settles it for me. "Here" and "this side" don't work even if a supervisor thought his workers were impossibly dumb, as others have claimed is "industry standard." And if UP is going to work, I find it extremely improbable that a true Chinese would write the more complex "this side" (and get it wrong even copying print, or is the printed form also a handwriting norm?), rather improbable that a halfway intelligent supervisor would ask for / query "this side up" (which unfortunately does yield the characters in question) instead of "up."

Thank you for clearing it up for me. If you could tell me why a character similar to ??was written on the real 5G leak (sorry I forgot the link), I'd be even more grateful.

Well, 'simplified Chinese' is a form where the characters (think Japanese 'kanji') are much simplified so that you do not have to write as many strokes (e.g. - ? in 'traditional' Chinese is written as ?). As to how a character is written, well, everybody writes differently, just as everybody's handwriting is differnt in English. I can tell you that my written Chinese looks crap

I think unless there is a special reason to use 'this side' (??) a much simpler 'up' of 'top' (??would make more sense.

As to the 'character' on the earlier 5G iPod photo, I first thought it was a badly written ? ('flat') . But on closer examination, it looks more like a small '2' and a big 'F' and not a Chinese character.

Hope it helps.

 

[MonkeyClaw]

I dont know if someone else already pointed this out, but If you look at the upper right corner of the scrren, there is some weird light pixels. To me this looks like the color bars were pasted over the screen. Why, if your already posting pictures of the new iPod, paste something over the screen? I'm thinking fake.

To me it looked more like an odd reflection because it matches up on the other side of the thing.

 

[monkeyandy]

Another Pic !

Check it out!

 

[CoMpX]

Check it out!

Look a few pages back.

Please just read the thread everyone!

 

[monkeyandy]

More More More!

Found these too!!

 

[CoMpX]

Found these too!!

Top one is also old news. I haven't seen the bottom one yet but it looks very fake. You can see a seam in the screen. Again, please look back in the thread.

 

[pdpfilms]

Found these too!!

Gosh, i should start making video ipod fake's as well...

 

[Boingy]

Found these too!!

If there really this many legit photos of the new iPod four whole days before the announcement, someone is getting fired.

~V

 

[mackensteff]

Summary-Post at top of each page

To save questions could the admin post the summary of the the previous 800 posts on the top of each page
What do the characters say
Is it an B or 8
Which of the pictures are fake and real
The facts of JPEG distortion
The bar code

Did I miss any?

And what did the writing say I forgot?

 

[nagromme]

Here's a thread summary for latecomers (because reading 34 pages IS a little unreasonable ):

1. Six different photos of the same device have been posted from different places.

2. Five of them would be easy to fake. The original wouldn't be easy.

3. All of them are definitely fake.

4. Some of them are definitely real.

5. Many JPEG artifacts and reflections in the clear plastic have been misinterpreted as important when they're not.

6. Cable is not a normal Apple cable. That's not surprising.

7. Cable is not a normal Apple cable. That is suspicious.

8. Chinese writing says "here" or "this side."

9. Chinese writing is awkwardly printed. That's not surprising.

10. Chinese writing is awkwardly printed. That is suspicious.

11. There are flaws in your grammar or spelling, and your mother dresses you funny!

12. Barcode has an "8" and matches Mac OS X server. That's not surprising.

13. Barcode has an "8" and matches Mac OS X server. That is suspicious.

14. Barcode has a "B" not an "8," where current iPods have an "A," but the rest of the code is still like Mac OS X server.

15. Light behaves very realistically in the image.

16. It's odd that the color test image has no true blue, but two cyans.

17. The two black cords seem to be a camera or phone carry strap.

18. It makes perfect sense for a new high-end iPod, and matches some recent patents.

19. It makes no sense for a new high-end iPod, because the world is not ready, battery life would be poor, and it is impossible to make touch-based devices that don't scratch.

20. The owls are not what they seem.

The only question that really leaves is, what do those Chinese characters say?

 

[CoMpX]

To save questions could the admin post the summary of the the previous 800 posts on the top of each page
What do the characters say
Is it an B or 8
Which of the pictures are fake and real
The facts of JPEG distortion
The bar code

Did I miss any?

And what did the writing say I forgot?

There is still debate whether it is a B or an 8, and we are still not positive as to which ones are real if any. We agreed that the original has the most credibility, however. Many anomalies in the original pic COULD be due to JPEG distorsion, and the bar code was earier confirmed to be "8" instead of "B", but again there is still debate.

And for God's sake.


The Chinese writing could mean "this side", "the side", or "here"!!!

 

[CoMpX]

Here's a thread summary for latecomers (because reading 34 pages IS a little unreasonable ):

1. Five different photos of the same device have been posted from different places.

2. Four of them would be easy to fake. The original wouldn't be easy.

3. All of them are definitely fake.

4. Some of them are definitely real.

5. Many JPEG artifacts and reflections in the clear plastic have been misinterpreted as important when they're not.

6. Cable is not a normal Apple cable. That's not surprising.

7. Cable is not a normal Apple cable. That is suspicious.

8. Chinese writing says "here" or "this side."

9. Chinese writing is awkwardly printed. That's not surprising.

10. Chinese writing is awkwardly printed. That is suspicious.

11. Barcode has an "8" and matches Mac OS X server. That's not surprising.

12. Barcode has an "8" and matches Mac OS X server. That is suspicious.

13. Barcode has a "B" not an "8," where current iPods have an "A," but the rest of the code is still like Mac OS X server.

14. Light behaves very realistically in the image.

15. It's odd that the color test image has no true blue, but two cyans.

16. The two black cords seem to be a camera or phone carry strap.

17. It makes perfect sense for a new high-end iPod, and matches some recent patents.

18. It makes no sense for a new high-end iPod, because the world is not ready, battery life would be poor, and it is impossible to make touch-based devices that don't scratch.

19. The owls are not what they seem.

The only question that really leaves is, what do those Chinese characters say?

Very well put, thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

 

[TMA]

We now have 5 imitations...

All of these have been discussed so far in this thread so please do check before posting.

It's turning into a giant 'hunt the PDA iPods!' game!

 

[craig0ry]

Can anyone help me?

Hey, dUdEz, does anyone know what the chinese characters mean??

I mean, I'm surprised no one is commenting on that. If we only knew what they meant, it might provide some kind of fundamental clue, and then we could all argue over the proper translation of them. Someone get to work on that!







Totally just ****ing around, before someone has a heartattack.

Personally, I am inclined to believe this is the form factor the next iPod will take. It makes sense. I am not worried about the logistics of a touch screen... what I am worried about is battery life. ITMS is about to sell full-length movies - it makes sense to have a killer app available to play them besides a desktop/laptop... but battery life with a backlit screen would be near impossible IF THEY USE THE CURRENT BATTERY in the 5G.

Is there anyway they could have "shrunken down" the other components to fit in a larger battery?

 

[balamw]

If that "Origami" device is real, and it's 7.5 x 4 x 1.5 inches... then it missed a rather important window for me An INCH AND A HALF THICK? Lose the fancy breakable hinges and make it thin like an iPod, PDA, or phone please.

Amen. If they can make an MBP or iBook about 1" thick they should easily be able to make such a thing 0.5-0.75" thick. 1.5" what are they thinking.

I hope this is a key differentiator between whatever Apple ultimately does and the rest.

B

 

[CoMpX]

Personally, I am inclined to believe this is the form factor the next iPod will take. It makes sense. I am not worried about the logistics of a touch screen... what I am worried about is battery life. ITMS is about to sell full-length movies - it makes sense to have a killer app available to play them besides a desktop/laptop... but battery life with a backlit screen would be near impossible IF THEY USE THE CURRENT BATTERY in the 5G.

Is there anyway they could have "shrunken down" the other components to fit in a larger battery?

This actually brings in a very good point. If the entire iPod front has this LCD screen, it will have a lot less room inside both because of the LCD and whatever chips the large LCD will need to run. That said, they may make it slightly thicker to accommodate a larger battery and/or hard drive, or Apple might have yet more advanced technology. From day one, everything has been getting smaller as far and internals go and this will only continue. Whatever is being release, I'm sure Apple has it all sorted out.

 

[balamw]

battery life with a backlit screen would be near impossible IF THEY USE THE CURRENT BATTERY in the 5G.

Is there anyway they could have "shrunken down" the other components to fit in a larger battery?

Most of the volume in a 5G is the hard drive/battery/screen in that order. The hard drive is unlikely to shrink since they probably want 60G (or more) for video. As you point out the battery probably shouldn't be much smaller. So what if they've switched to a different kind of screen? OLED or SED which might be brighter and less power hungry than a LED backlit LCD?

B

 

[milo]

I think the Chinese writing holds a clue. If only we knew what it meant!

I just figured out the translation.

It's "Origami".

The same would be true of any iPod: they all have the same shape upside down or upside right, until you actually look at it.

(And why would anyone add the Chinese writing in Photoshop? It's easider one with a pen on the tape.)

You can't accidentally turn an ipod upside down, the orientation of the screen and click wheel tell you which is the top. With the blank screen, there's nothing to tell you which way is up, it looks identical when rotated 180 degrees.

As for the chinese writing, there are plenty of reasons it could have been added later. Maybe that part of the photo was from an existing source he found. Or maybe he didn't think of it until after the photo was taken. It's not like doctoring text is anything unusual in photo hoaxes.

I believe the wood image was admitted as a fake, I know the translation isn't as clear as it could be but that's how I read it.

 

[(L)]

Well, 'simplified Chinese' is a form where the characters (think Japanese 'kanji') are much simplified so that you do not have to write as many strokes (e.g. - ? in 'traditional' Chinese is written as ?). As to how a character is written, well, everybody writes differently, just as everybody's handwriting is differnt in English. I can tell you that my written Chinese looks crap

I think unless there is a special reason to use 'this side' (??) a much simpler 'up' of 'top' (??would make more sense.

As to the 'character' on the earlier 5G iPod photo, I first thought it was a badly written ? ('flat') . But on closer examination, it looks more like a small '2' and a big 'F' and not a Chinese character.

Hope it helps.

Ah. Now another guy came saying it could not be written by a native, though I had already concluded that from the computer print copying. I tell you, my written Japanese looks horrid, and really that's basically the same principles at work. I totally know what you're talking about despite that I see ?'s all over. That "flat" character did look funny. And even though everyone writes differently, having an extra dot, having one floating when it's not supposed to, and not even knowing how to flick the stroke, instead making a perpendicular bulge? That and the shinnyous (sorry I don't know the name in Chinese for the radicals). The only way that could be a common way of handwriting is if it is common for people in China to A) not know how to end strokes properly AND B) copy print text. Tell me they still write right, right?

Thanks for the 2 and F idea...I need to go back and look at it. But then...the only Chinese would have been on the iPod screen on the real 5G photo. This 6G fake (Hey, no Apple comment, various problems and severe ones with the Chinese) tried hard with the Chinese, but if I were the hoaxer I would have written "up" and have been done with it. My guess is that the guy put "this side up" into the translation widget or the like and tried hard to copy what he got. That seems natural and fully explains the odd handwriting and text itself. (The Chinese may mean only "this side" but try putting "this side up" into the widget...)

 

[aswitcher]

Most of the volume in a 5G is the hard drive/battery/screen in that order. The hard drive is unlikely to shrink since they probably want 60G (or more) for video. As you point out the battery probably shouldn't be much smaller. So what if they've switched to a different kind of screen? OLED or SED which might be brighter and less power hungry than a LED backlit LCD?

B

I would hope that they shoot for at least an 80 if not a 100 gig for any video device.

And battery, they really need to double what they have now - and for this much bigger sc reen - if they are to have a really attractive device.

It needs to be able to uncompress H264 nicely for this much larger screen.

I expect it should be as thick as the 60gig 4G to allow for this amount of HDD and grunt...