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Yeah supposedly Trump is willing to do Israel's bidding for AIPAC political funding.
Supposedly Israel has Epstein videos of Trump that Trump doesn't want made public -- if true, that's another reason Trump would do Israel's bidding.

Israel is a colonialist genocidal power. Not a good country. And why is the U.S. backing them?
That’s silver foil hat conspiracy theory. The truth is, US is backing Israel with or without Trump. This conflict is not Trump’s doing - but, by acting like a bull in a porcelain shop the blood is still on his hands.

As I have said before, there can be more than one bad guy in a conflict.

Anyone who praises Trump for “stopping” Iran from having a nuclear weapon is not realising that that claim means you believe Iran rebuilt their nuclear capability in only one year. US now has the choice between a full land invasion - which will not happen - or pulling back out and leaving an Iran that has even more hatred against the US than it already did - INCREASING the likelihood they will throw a nuke on Israel in the future.

How is either of those things making life better for Americans?
 
Hope this doesn’t offend anyone from the great American Empire .

As someone watching from outside the “war zone,” I’ve been keeping an eye on Trump for a while. Dude does a lotta wild stuff, but at the same time, he’s kinda predictable in a weird way.

Sometimes I’m honestly uncomfortable with what he says or does. Other times I feel like… he’s just putting on a show (and yeah, not a bad actor tbh, though still nowhere near Reagan lol).

But every time I start thinking “okay I gotta criticize this,” I stop myself and go: come on, doesn’t he kinda represent like… half the country?

So whenever I feel like he’s being totally unreasonable, I wonder...is it really just him, or is it actually what like 50% of people want?

And then I get even more curious what’s going on in the heads of the other 50%? All of this is honestly pretty fascinating to watch from the outside.

Especially when I saw him say something like “if the UK and France want oil.
• The other 50% that you reference absolutely hate Trump and are very "uncomfortable with what he says or does".
• Trump was elected by ~50% (actually a little less), but his nutso antics have tanked his approval ratings to below 40%.

Most expect Trump to cause his party to lose big in the Midterm Elections in November, so Trump is trying all manner of legal/illegal methods to try to affect voting. He has even mentioned canceling the Midterms, which would be illegal but he routinely ignores laws.
 
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Yeah sure ... what do you care if New York gets eviscerated as promised by the terrorist regime in Tehran? It's not your people.
A nuclear attack by Iran would not be against US, but against Israel. Which, by the way, is unlikely because that would mean dropping a nuke on what they consider holy ground, which is the whole basis of the conflict in the first place.

What IS going to happen as a result of this war, is a noticeable increase in smaller terrorist attacks on US soil, by Iranian fanatics. Next time you are gathering in large groups, look out for school buses and semi trucks.
 
• The other 50% that you reference absolutely hate Trump.
• Trump was elected by ~50% (actually a little less), but his nutso antics have tanked his approval ratings to below 40%.

Most expect Trump to cause his party to lose big in the Midterm Elections in November, so Trump is trying all manner of legal/illegal methods to try to affect voting. He has even mentioned canceling the Midterms, which would be illegal but he routinely ignores laws.
Most people who voted for Trump do not like Trump. But they have been brainwashed enough to hate the democrats so much that they are willing to elect a lunatic to avoid having democrats in power. They are now experiencing the fallout.

But at least they avoided that woman with the crazy laugh, right?
 
1953, Operation AJAX. Reading a little history, helps to understand today.

We promote regime change when it serves our interests, regardless of what kind of government is in place at the time.
 
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Theocratic frauds. Bearded robe wearing nonces who steal all the money, slaughter their own populations, and buy up billions of dollars property, politicians and journalists in the West who are always happy to take the oil money and blood money. The children of that regime live billionaire lifestyles in Barcelona, London, Toronto and Monaco.

Remember guys, the more religious someone appears the more they have something to hide.
100% Agree. Trump and his Evangelical clique are indeed the worst hypocrites.
 
So whenever I feel like he’s being totally unreasonable, I wonder...is it really just him, or is it actually what like 50% of people want?
Just look at this thread and you will get confirmation that at least 30% of Americans still think Trump ( and Netanyahu) are doing an excellent job.

Trump : “ I love the uneducated !”

( now , that said , message to the Mollahs : Keep your dirty hands of Apple ! Hack and release the Epstein files instead ! “
 
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Iran is a horrible despotic theocracy that will do anything to stay in power. Honestly, I feel for the people of Iran. Their leadership exports terrorism and does terrible things to their own people. But, the world is full of horrible governments that do horrible things to their neighbors and their own people. Are we going to bomb them all, whilst killing civilians and innocent children along the way? And make no doubt, we are killing innocents in this war.

On the other hand, we (the USA) have a horrible despotic authoritarian President that will do anything to stay in power. Honestly, I fear for our people. In my almost 50 years as an adult, I have never seen a President that lies as much as this one. He lies about absolutely everything. He lies about stuff that doesn't matter, and he lies about stuff that is of the utmost importance. So, we really have no idea what is going on with this war....and, it is a war.

He lies about that too BTW....even though he has called it a war himself.

He said we obliterated Iran's nuclear capability. Now, we have to go to war because Iran is going to have a nuke soon. That makes no sense. One of these must be a lie....or both.

He said he wanted regime change. Now, we are happy with the regime that remains if they will make a deal.

He said we don't need our NATO allies, and has insulted and threatened them for well over a year. Now, we need them to open the Strait of Hormuz, even though we did nothing to coordinate with them before shots were fired.

He said we are in negotiations that are going well and the Iranians are begging to make a deal. Meanwhile, Iran blew-up another tanker and claim they aren't even in talks with the US.

This is the same administration that told us that they shot and killed two US citizens because that were domestic terrorist, when anyone with eyes could see that was not the case.

Lies, lies, lies, and more lies. Don't believe a word Trump tells you about this war or anything else.

Edit: Hey numberfive, what is so funny? Is it the killing of innocent children that you find funny? The huge expenditure of treasure and debt that makes you laugh? Maybe it is our soldiers' loss of life that gives you a giggle? What a childish reaction!

And in the rest of the World we are watching America with disbelief ... what a decline over the past year! Fortunately I have many US friends who implore me not to judge them by their Government ... so there is hope!
 
If you stir up a hornet's nest you get stung. If the hornets are not harming you it's best to leave them alone. If you do decide to eliminate them just be aware that they may come to get you in ways you hadn't anticipated.
If those hornets head off towards others peacefully going about their business don't be surprised if your neighbours are none too pleased to have their lives messed up.
 
As a non-American I am really curious if people actually believe the evil scam of a government they elected or if it’s just that they can’t admit how deeply wrong they were, twice. I don’t know what would be worse either honestly.

You're not alone! Viewed from outside the US, it's incredible, a whole country trashing itself before our very eyes!
 
And in the rest of the World we are watching America with disbelief ... what a decline over the past year! Fortunately I have many US friends who implore me not to judge them by their Government ... so there is hope!

Honestly, I'm just in disbelief that you can run that system by executive order so easily for a while. Checks and balances ... only as soon as the courts finally catch up I guess. By which time you may have found a workaround or way to stall for more time.

And that there seem to be no adults in the room who decide to do the necessary thing. Every time you read what sounds like the voice of reason finally emerging it's just party politics trench warfare from a Dem. The Reps themselves should have ended that charade themselves long ago: in the first year of his first term. Surely there have to be some standards for the occupant of the highest office.
 
Iran is a horrible despotic theocracy that will do anything to stay in power. Honestly, I feel for the people of Iran. Their leadership exports terrorism and does terrible things to their own people. But, the world is full of horrible governments that do horrible things to their neighbors and their own people. Are we going to bomb them all, whilst killing civilians and innocent children along the way? And make no doubt, we are killing innocents in this war.

On the other hand, we (the USA) have a horrible despotic authoritarian President that will do anything to stay in power. Honestly, I fear for our people. In my almost 50 years as an adult, I have never seen a President that lies as much as this one. He lies about absolutely everything. He lies about stuff that doesn't matter, and he lies about stuff that is of the utmost importance. So, we really have no idea what is going on with this war....and, it is a war.
Interesting to note that my life has been far more adversley affected in the last two years by The Lump than it has in 55 years by the Ayatollah. I know who the bad guys are here. Oh and you missed out theocratic in your second description, Hee Hee 😂😆🤣

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Interesting to note that my life has been far more adversley affected in the last two years by The Lump than it has in 55 years by the Ayatollah. I know who the bad guys are here. Oh and you missed out theocratic in your second description, Hee Hee 😂😆🤣

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They’re all praying Donnie’s diapers don’t overflow; their prayers were unanswered yet again.
 
Historically, most things a Presidential administration work to get done durning their first term don’t come to fruition until the following term (which could be them or someone else).
Yep market up when Trump is in office? That's Obama's economy or Biden's economy, it just took time to take effect!

Market down when Trump is in office? That's all on Drumpf!
 
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Yep market up when Trump is in office? That's Obama's economy or Biden's economy, it just took time to take effect!

Market down when Trump is in office? That's all on Drumpf!
Normally, I would actually agree with the point you're making here. It usually takes a couple of years for Presidential policy decisions to work their way through the economy - tax changes phase in, subsidies need time for people/companies to take advantage of them, etc. Often the results aren't seen until the next administration.

However, in some cases, results of some decisions can be seen immediately, and that's what has happened over the past 15 months. If you don't want to be blamed for the economy tanking while you're in office you probably shouldn't do things that will immediately harm the economy. Like start an unnecessary war of choice that literally anyone with a passing understanding of the region would be able to tell you will cause oil prices to skyrocket, or put massive tariffs that will cause prices to rise on almost everything.

Everyone can look and see "Gas prices were X before this war, now they're way, way higher." So Trump going to get blamed for that because it's cause and effect. If he had done the work BEFORE starting the war of convincing the country it was needed, he might have gotten some slack, but he didn't do that. So, all most people see is "we started a war for no reason and now gas prices are high."

The irony is all Trump had to do was not do anything drastic and the economy that had been improving would have continued to do so, probably pretty significantly, he could have taken all the credit - and he would have gotten it from almost everyone outside of hardcore partisan Democrats.
 
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On a serious note, this is WMD 2.0. America was fooled again by a republican president to shed the blood of its soldiers for a fight that wasn’t actually a threat nor was going to be a threat.

Shame on anyone backing or being silent.

America killed 150 kids in a school bombing. For a country that doesn’t care about school shootings, I shouldn’t be surprised but I guess I haven’t lost all of my hope in humanity.
 
Everyone can look and see "Gas prices were X before this war, now they're way, way higher." So Trump going to get blamed for that because it's cause and effect.
As short-term as MAGA memory tends to be, even *they* can remember that gas was a buck a gallon less only a month ago, and it’s Trump’s decision to bomb Iran than made the price jump.

But Trump’s horizon never extends beyond a few days. Whatever lets him believe he won the internet today is all that matters to him. Well, okay, that and hard graft.
 
1953, Operation AJAX. Reading a little history, helps to understand today.

We promote regime change when it serves our interests, regardless of what kind of government is in place at the time.
Thoughtful individuals will realize that "promote regime change when it serves our interest" is hella more complex than simplistically, unilaterally dropping hundreds of billions of dollars worth of munitions on a large nation ten times as old as the USA. and run by a very strong theocracy. But it briefly made the ego of the toddler in the WH feel good.

Simply put, Trump's actions did not "promote regime change" and did not "serves our interest." Anyone with any sense knew that before the bombings.
• Trump's war made the Iran regime stronger and even more radical, not "regime change." No competent intelligence analyst on the planet thought bombs would favorably change the Iranian regime.
• Unilateral war may have served Trump's personal benefactors, but alienating the USA's pre-Trump longstanding allies and making a clustermess of world energy supplies did not serve the interests of the USA. Worst is that everyone with sense predicted for years that exactly what happened would happen.
 
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