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Is anyone planning to cheat on your final exam using your Apple Watch?
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How can you be successful in life if you can't cheat? It's called teamwork. In business, that's how you become successful! You can't run a successful business by yourself; you can't be an expert all by yourself in business laws, tax laws, interpersonal skills, financial skills, etc. You need other people who can help you. What they teach you in school is the opposite of how life and business works. In business or life, you don't have all the answers. You need help from others. So what are you trying to teach your students when you tell them they can't cheat?
It's only natural people want to come together and help each other to build a stronger business, community, or team. But in school, that's called cheating. Your local high school/college football teams practice and work together, trying to win upcoming games. Aren't they cheating?
It's no wonder why people leave school dumber than they enter it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUu9OO5a10
It's only natural people want to come together and help each other to build a stronger business, community, or team. But in school, that's called cheating. Your local high school/college football teams practice and work together, trying to win upcoming games. Aren't they cheating?
It's no wonder why people leave school dumber than they enter it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUu9OO5a10
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What? Trying to say teamwork is cheating is utter nonsense. There is a massive difference between the two. One is pooling resources to get things done in a legal way, the other is intentionally bypassing the rules to get something you don't deserve.
So the rule is that in one case, you can work together, and in another case, you can't?
Have you ever made an achievement all by yourself, completely independent of anyone else's effort?
Most people in the western world can't even get to work by themselves, they depend on their car, which is a result of teamwork by thousands of people, putting in millions of hours of research, development, engineering, and experiences. Not to mention all the people who drilled for oil, ship, refined, and supply it to you, so you can use it as fuel for your car.
Those information you studied in your textbook doesn't just appear out of nowhere. The discoverers had their own inspiration, they learned from others and pushed science and knowledge further. You don't go from being a caveman to learning how to build a spaceship in a day. It takes lots of learning from all your previous peers, generations after generation. The textbook is just a condensed version of it. All you really need to do is try to memorize some of it and re-apply it's theories or methods onto examples that's been done over and over. Why try to figure out a problem that has already been solved a million times already? Get help so you can get it over with it quickly, and move forward with innovations.
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THAT IS NOT CHEATING. Wow....
And yes you totally can have situations in which you can't use teamwork...you know...like your actual final exam (you can use teamwork in study sessions and the like).
Again, that's what school teaches you, but that's not how real life works.
In business, let say I'm good at running a business but I have little knowledge on taxes. So what do I do? I can hire a tax professional.
In school, you can't do that, right? Because that's cheating. You need to know it or you'll fail the exam.
Hate to break this to you...but it does.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5eaffa-b5e0-11e3-b899-20667de76985_story.html
No, that's a false cover story. I've been following that. The officers refused to blow up a nuclear bomb in Charleston, SC. Instead, they blew it up in the Atlantic ocean. So what did Obama do? He had to let them go.
There are tons of resources if you want to look further into that one.
http://www.infowars.com/sen-graham-warns-of-nuke-strike-after-missing-nuke-report/
Do your own due diligence.
I'm assuming you're in the Air Force, based on your said location. Look it up.
Here's another link to help you with that. You're not going to find it in the MSM, like Fox News or CNN.
http://www.eutimes.net/2013/10/obam...nuke-explodes-in-ocean-instead-of-charleston/
I'm assuming you're in the Air Force, based on your said location. Look it up.
Here's another link to help you with that. You're not going to find it in the MSM, like Fox News or CNN.
http://www.eutimes.net/2013/10/obam...nuke-explodes-in-ocean-instead-of-charleston/
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Final exams are inherently independent in nature, therefore, not a test of collaborative efforts or teamwork. So to contemplate cheating or to actually successfully cheat on any type of exam, in my opinion as a public school teacher of 27 years, is to cheat yourself out of the value of being able to individually assess a problem, critically analyze what is needed to solve the problem, and then apply the skills you have gained throughout your education to successfully solve a problem on your own.
I would have to agree with you, especially about critically analyzing things.
I'm sorry I don't recall meeting you. You just made a huge blanket statement about all educators at every level of academia. I'm a professor and I currently teach at several universities. I love teaching and wouldn't trade it for the world, and I work very hard. Having set rules and expectations for codes of conduct and ethics are important throughout life. How is that "punishing" everyone? Espouse your views to your future employers when they are trying to assess your ability to follow the rules of that agency, and see how sympathetic they are to your lamentations.
Unlike whatever field you are studying, my field of Social Work has an understanding of rules/ethics and their importance in society, even if it is to help advocate for change. Do you really want someone who is training to be a therapist cheating on their exams? Do you want that person you are talking to about your traumatic experiences checking their smart watch to find the information to see what they should say to you to help you work through that?? Would memorization at that time have been a bad thing in learning their therapeutic techniques? (We also complete internships to have hands on experience)
In my classrooms there is already a limitation of the use of electronics unless it relates to what we are actually doing, or as an academic aide for those with special assistance needs. This would include any electronics.
Your statements sound very similar to the students I teach at an Ivy League university who pay a lot of money for an education, but when held to rules and standards they cry foul. It also doesn't help that there a "B" is considered getting an "F", so as instructors we do not have many options. Any time I have attempted to grade a student on the "actual" quality of their work, that would be met with a lack of support from the administration "hmmm they seem to have "A's" in their other classes...), push back from families who expect the "A's" that they have paid for, or in the case of non-tenured faculty, not being asked back to teach.
I really tried to not respond in this thread, but your laments pushed an already absurd thread to new heights.
What you call "expecting student's to teach themselves" I call being able to show you can apply learned concepts through critical analysis, not by being spoon fed. And about the memorization, please don't go into law, engineering, science, mathematics, or medicine as I do expect those professionals to be able to work independently and have a significant portion of their learning memorized.
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slighty OT: are exams in the US really multiple choice most of the time like in these HS and college movies lol?
that seems super easy to me. one time i took a multiple choice test in Spain and i had a score of 98%. never even opened a book or pdf to study for it. now in Germany on the other hand ... oh boy. one page to answer a 10 points question with another 80 to 110 points to be answered after
that seems super easy to me. one time i took a multiple choice test in Spain and i had a score of 98%. never even opened a book or pdf to study for it. now in Germany on the other hand ... oh boy. one page to answer a 10 points question with another 80 to 110 points to be answered after
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So, you are arguing that because thousands or millions of other people have combined their individual efforts over the years, and we each benefit from the results each of us should misrepresent others' efforts and contributions as being our own?
So, you are arguing that because thousands or millions of other people have combined their individual efforts over the years, and we each benefit from the results each of us should misrepresent others' efforts and contributions as being our own?
...and you seem like the type of professor who doesn't want to be graded on their merit but would rather take tens of thousands of dollars from students and parents while not teaching anyone anything.
I never said students didn't need to put in the work themselves. I said the teachers and professors are lazy and don't want to put in the work when they are being paid to teach. They expect the students to teach themselves....but always have their hand out for more money and there isn't much benefit in the real world that justifies the cost of education going up way more than everything else.
Since you brought it up, I was the guy in class who actually read the the materials and came to class prepared. I skipped a whole month of class and still outperformed students who actually had to put up with listening to the professor when it came time for the final. I didn't have my parents there begging for a higher grade on my exams. I worked 3 jobs and was on scholarship.
What's the point of having a professor if the students like myself don't need them for anything and wind up teaching themselves? By and large most college professors aren't useful for anything other than trying to get themselves published...along with the various consulting jobs they take on the side. If the professors actually got graded on how well they taught students like grade school and hs teachers are you'd see a big difference in the performance of students. Instead people are grading on a bell curve rather than giving people what they earned for marketing purposes.
The bottom line is rather than trying to prevent cheating by micro managing students many of whom are grown adults...maybe just maybe it's better to challenge them. Teachers want to be able to run the answers through a machine and call it a day rather than actually grade projects and presentations that will be infinitely more valuable in the real world than how good of a test taker someone is.
teaching students /= spoon feeding students
The "I can't teach the students because that's spoon feeding them" is the lamest excuse for a teacher or professor not doing their job I've ever heard. Of course like many professors you resorted to blaming the parents because the failure of the professor/teacher/student. If the professor can't motivate students to learn, then maybe they are in the wrong profession and if the students don't want to do their part they should flunk out regardless of their parents monetary investments.
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Depends on the course. Here in Canada, large capacity courses usually have multiple choice exams, where smaller courses tend to have a variety of short answer, essay, and multiple choice questions.
People without a debt will try to cheat with their AW. Theres no better feeling then writing an exam with 400-500 other students and an individual gets caught cheating. Bet the walk of shame hurts.
I'm skeptical. Everyone has help. I can't think of another situation outside of academia where you were in a final exam type of situation....minus maybe the interview but studies show interview tests etc are unpredictable with relation to the success of individuals who are put through these tests. Tests don't show if someone can apply the knowledge or concept. They show how good someone is at test taking. That's it.
The people who are the best fit with your team will be the most successful...not those who "can" do it individually theoretically speaking. Micro managing Apple Watch and other devices is a waste of time. Crafting thoughtful projects for students are a better way to teach, learn and curb cheating.
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You're a tool. An uneducated one it seems as well. . . rationalize away. Cheating is simply cheating. Your Mom must be saint to put up with you. Good luck in life.
Definitely. I test horribly in math because of math anxiety. Planning on keeping the formulas on it.
To clarify: my programming courses require a C+ in math to take them. I'm great at programming, good at math, terrible at testing. I missed a C+ by two questions on the final. Not letting that happen again. I'm sick of spending money without needing to. Had we not had a final, I would have had an A
To clarify: my programming courses require a C+ in math to take them. I'm great at programming, good at math, terrible at testing. I missed a C+ by two questions on the final. Not letting that happen again. I'm sick of spending money without needing to. Had we not had a final, I would have had an A
Think of it this way. Why do people go to school to get a job? At Google, or Microsoft, or wherever? Bill Gates doesn't need to be smart, he just need to hire smart people.
You guys are right. There is a need for smart A students. They'll work for a corporation. Go back to studying. Sorry for trying to wake up the herd.
It's a shame you are so closed minded and have absolutely NO idea how much you are lumping all educators into one large group. One it would be nice to make "tens of thousands of dollars"! I am a part time lecturer NOT tenured faculty. I have no guarantee of teaching from semester to semester. Part Time lecturers are at will employees. And trust me, what I get paid for teaching a semester class many people make in a month. We do not even have to be told if we will not be asked back for another semester, or given any reason. I am employed SOLELY based on the student grading evaluations and the whim of any Full time/Tenured faculty not wanting or needing to teach another class. I am not worried about publishing as I have no desire to become Tenured or even full time faculty. I know how to do the politics of a university, especially more prestigious ones, but I choose not to. That is why my Doctorate is clinical and not a researched based.
I have a practice doing therapy with severely physically and sexually abused and neglected children. Most of these families have been involved with Child Protective services and many have little to no financial resources to be able to afford traditional services. Like any other social worker I have multiple jobs and work 7 days a week between teaching Social Work at the Bachelors and Masters level, and seeing my clients (Lazy? Yes try working teaching 4 classes a semester, and seeing clients including on the weekends). I wouldn't have it any other way. In Social Work many of my students have gone through the same things as the children I serve. The universities I teach at which are most rewarding are the ones where the students are like myself, working more than one job and giving their all to a profession that not many value. I have a lot of respect for my students due to what they have been through and they respect me for the real world experience I continue to have in the field to share with them.
It is a shame that you are so short sighted to not have the understanding of the system you have so much to say about. I wouldn't brag about being able to miss a whole month of class and be able to "pass the final". I would not want someone like you in my class with the important things that we as social workers are faced with. What if in that month I was teaching about diagnosis and assessment while working with children who have been sexually abused as toddlers, or how to evaluate trauma symptoms in a teen who saw their mother abused and shot in front of them? That requires memorization of terms and symptoms as well as experiential learning.
All I can do is shake my head at your arrogance, ignorance and inability to understand that your experience and views are not reflective of all teachers and professors. Its truly sad that you are not just prone to over generalization, but when challenged instead of stepping back and considering that you might be wrong, you became more focused and specific in your condemnation of someone you know absolute nothing about. Like I said earlier, I don't recall meeting you, so make sure you are accurate when you make a statement about "ALL" of anything. Maybe the month you skipped was when they went the definition of that term.
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This is a shame that you weren't advised of any rights for accommodation you could have had, or can have to assist you in situations like this. (check compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act). Many schools have a disabilities office that can help students that have troubles not just because of major disabilities, but also who need some adjustments to help out their performance. I have had students get assistance by having extra time allowed for test taking due to anxiety. I have some student's that have had to take the finals/quizzes in another location (quieter area) to help concentration. If you're still in school I would check it out. Generally many students are able to get assistance with documentation from their doctor or other medical practitioner working with them.
Also sorry, I made an assumption you might be in the US. If you are this could be helpful.
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what could you cheat with.
the weather app?
your heartbeat?
there is no web browser.
i think your whole thread is trolling.
the weather app?
your heartbeat?
there is no web browser.
i think your whole thread is trolling.