s8film40
macrumors 6502
Well if they do that I am glad I got mine when I did. I wouldn't want a coating on the metal band.
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Is Apple insulting our intelligence?
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Well if they do that I am glad I got mine when I did. I wouldn't want a coating on the metal band.
gloss
macrumors 601
People blaming the carrier for their dropped calls or crappy data when their phone was showing five bars of 3G coverage. Which is exactly what they got. By making it look like the phone was receiving signal just fine, they offloaded the blame onto AT&T. Smart politics, bad thing to be caught doing.
br0adband
macrumors 6502a
I would say if the OP needed to ask that question, perhaps that's the type of "intelligence" Apple is going after, eh? 😀
IT'S A JOKE, OP, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY...
And obviously they are. Apple and Steve Jobs say, do, eat, sleep, breathe, and tell lies better than anybody else, ever.
Didn't you get the press release? 😛
IT'S A JOKE, OP, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY...
And obviously they are. Apple and Steve Jobs say, do, eat, sleep, breathe, and tell lies better than anybody else, ever.
Didn't you get the press release? 😛
Yes they are.
And it seems a fitting insult for anyone who tries to justify Apple's actions.
It seems a fitting insult to ANYONE who's bought an iPhone 4 and will not RETURN IT.
Apple has commanded you to RETURN IT. I'd do what they say this time.
And it seems a fitting insult for anyone who tries to justify Apple's actions.
It seems a fitting insult to ANYONE who's bought an iPhone 4 and will not RETURN IT.
Apple has commanded you to RETURN IT. I'd do what they say this time.
Wow. I can't believe how non-thinking some people can be.
Apple 'fixed' the iPhone 3G reception issue by inflating the number of bars so that it almost always showed 5 bars.
Now they're "shocked" that someone broke into their campus and maliciously put that code into the iPhone.
That is lying. That is admitting deception while making believe they're "shocked".
It admits the new iPhone has a serious reception issue if you hold it.
Apple commands you to RETURN THE PHONE.
In a few months, everyone will be laughing at those gullible enough to have bought an iPhone 4. No longer a status symbol, its a symbol of shame.
I can't believe how people refuse to READ.
I find it concerning that no one anywhere has quoted the following portion of the Anandtech review. Yes they say that reception is good, IF YOU DON'T TOUCH IT. Here are their final words,
The main downside to the iPhone 4 is the obvious lapse in Apple's engineering judgment. The fact that Apple didn't have the foresight to coat the stainless steel antenna band with even a fraction of an ounce worth of non-conductive material either tells us that Apple doesn't care or that it simply doesn't test thoroughly enough. The latter is a message we've seen a few times before with OS X issues, the iPhone 4 simply reinforces it. At the bare minimum Apple should give away its bumper case with every iPhone 4 sold. The best scenario is for Apple to coat the antenna and replace all existing phones with a revised model.The ideal situation is very costly for Apple but it is the right thing to do. Plus it's not like Apple doesn't have the resources to take care of its customers.
Mal
macrumors 603
So if youre still experiencing low signal, and you have the thing in a freaking case, that means its not the issue everyones talking about, and youre just in an area with bad signal.
Doesnt that make more sense?
jW
br0adband
macrumors 6502a
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/954831/
Long long posts, but if you're willing, you'll learn a lot and possibly come to realize that Apple is simply not going to be able to brush this one aside quite so easily.
yentrog31
macrumors regular
where did you get that stat?..what are you basing that on?
Apple is #73 on the Fortune 500
br0adband
macrumors 6502a
Geckotek
macrumors G3
Actually, I think not. Did you have a 3G? Remember when they "fixed" the signal issue w/ the 3G with a software update? Many determined that what actually happened was Apple changed the way it displays the bars.
I'd put money down that this is just reversing that past "fix". Not a bug, an intended misrepresentation that bit them in the ass later.
Hahaha, the only think we disagreed on was the need for a lengthy post.
JediZenMaster
Suspended
1. The apple response say its just signal reporting that is wrong, meaning that there is a problem with the phone receiving signal, meaning when i have no signal i get no data when they "fix" this? wth
2. Apple will never admit to a design flaw probably. But if it is one, the courts will certainly bring it out.
2. Apple will never admit to a design flaw probably. But if it is one, the courts will certainly bring it out.
PNutts
macrumors 601
Did you read the same anandtech review I did?? Apple's press release does address the problem of misreporting the strength of the signal, but it does nothing to address the 20dB of signal loss! The previous iPhone had a loss of 2dB. You're telling me that's not a problem? It's a freaking order of magnitude!
I believe the review also said that the iphone 4 could hang on to calls much better at lower signal levels. They also said it ultimately has better reception than the previous iphones. Just use a case. For some people I think the new phone will have better reception in the places they frequent and for others it will be worse. If you are unhappy, then return the phone. Personally, I have experienced the death grip issue at work but I had bad reception with my old iphone there anyways so I dont worry about it.
No YOU are insulting our intelligence.
RETURN THE ****ing phone you damned whiners!
Seriously, go return the phone! And leave the rest of a super majority of us who don't have the issue alone. Obviously there isn't enough reception in your area regardless of how you hold the phone.
RETURN THE PHONE and stop insulting our intelligence by insisting Apple's wrong but keeping the phone anyway!
Put your freakin' money where you mouth is!
RETURN THE ****ing phone you damned whiners!
Seriously, go return the phone! And leave the rest of a super majority of us who don't have the issue alone. Obviously there isn't enough reception in your area regardless of how you hold the phone.
RETURN THE PHONE and stop insulting our intelligence by insisting Apple's wrong but keeping the phone anyway!
Put your freakin' money where you mouth is!
Why do you think you're in a super majority? The two polls I've seen puts the numbers at about 50-50 for those who have experienced the problem and those who haven't.
As for there not being "enough reception," that's part of the complaint: the reception was better on the 3G and 3GS.
Really? Internet polls!? LMAO!
RETURN THE PHONE!
The fix won't fix your issue because it's a reception issue not a design issue. If you can't get calls now, you ain't gettin' them after the fix.
A poll shows nothing. People actually tested it and said although the phone does drop more reception than some other phones it doesn't drop it enough that it matters. If you're not getting the reception now, you ain't never getting it.
Return the phone and quit bitching.
Just because people can cause the issue to happen doesnt mean it affects their day to day phone use. I know I voted yes because I can cause the signal to drop. But that area was already a low signal area and I knew it shouldnt be showing 5 bars in the first place. I use a case anyways and I dont have a problem anymore. Therefore, just because that poll said 50-50 doesnt mean 50% of people care that much.
No... actually its TWO orders of magnitude. 100x worse.
db is a logarithmic scale.
10db = 10x difference
20db = 100x difference
30db = 1000x difference
The design issue is that it causes poor reception. How can you say its a reception issue not a design issue? That doesn't even make sense.
Keep your crappy phone. In a short while everyone will laugh at folks gullible enough to buy a defective phone that only works in some places with super strong signal.
Other folks will buy real PHONES which actually can receive a signal... even when holding the phone.
Agreed, it did say that. And to be fair that's been my experience as well, right up until I forget about the issue and switch hands in order to write something down or use a mouse and I drop yet another call. I've dropped more calls in a week than I did in a month on my 3G.
I'm unhappy with the antenna issue, but I'm far more unhappy with how Apple is handling this. Returning the phone solves part of the problem but not the rest of it. Apple has always had a very loyal fan base which I've always been proud to be a part of, but this time around I feel like they gave me the bird and spit in my face. Not a smart move by a company built on loyalty. As a share holder, customer, and Apple proselytizer (I've converted 6 people to Mac and 3 to iPhones in the last 3 years), I expect more from them.