Okay, there isn't substitute hardware for osx. In order to get the operating system, you are stuck with the hardware. I think it hurts competition and inflates prices on hardware. However, views differ and I respect that. I also don't understand why microsoft was sued because of i.e., because you didn't have to use their browser, and with adequate competition, many don't.
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Is Apple ripping us off with the Macbook Pro?
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apple does not run majority of the worlds pc's either, microsoft runs majority of the worlds pc's, they cant just up and impose and microsoft hardware or no microsoft os policy....this is monopolizing.
The same could be said for Acura navigation software. You can only obtain that software if you buy their vehicles. Are you saying that we should force Acura to sell their navigation software for use on other vehicles?
If they did, Windows would be a lot better. This is the reason Windows sucks.
And even if MS did make it's own PCs, they cannot up the price. The main reason people buy Windows PCs is because they are cheap. It also wouldn't be a monopoly because they would still have competition from OS X and Linux.
righttttttt......
price has little to do with it...if that were the case everybody would buy linux machines...there the cheapest.
its compatibility.....which microsoft would be monopolizing if they entered hardware pc sales, regardless if they had competitors....this is why microsoft constantly gets in trouble forcing people to even use its internet explorer browser, by making it impossible/hard to remove.
About $500. I saw the 17" laptop at Best Buy about a week ago, which surprised me since the Best Buy Web site does not list it for sale.
Very nice looking machine, but no HDMI port?
$350 netbooks have HDMI ports, and "they just work".
Really? You think the HP Envy does not rank with the Macbook Pro in build quality? The Sony F11? Dell XPS 16?
These laptops all have more USB ports, HDMI and an E-SATA port.
The RGBLED screen sold on the Dell XPS 16 is the best laptop screen -probably the best LCD screen- ever manufactured.
Arrianna Huffington loves her Buggati and types all her blog posts on an Apple Macbook Pro.
Apple is the choice of rich capitalist pigs everywhere.
You mean an i7 quad-core don't you?
Whatever gave you the idea that Arrianna Huffington was sensible? Best accent since Zsa Zsa Gabor, but not a sensible woman. You could house a homeless man in his own apartment for half a year just for what Arrianna paid for her Gucci purse.
i know someone with an Acura MDX. he didn't like it when i said it's a rebranded Honda Pilot with different body panels. my in-law's Acura and my Accord were made in the same factory in Ohio
The fat price tag. No HDMI port. No E-SATA port.
17" Macbook Pro, i7 quad-core, HDMI, E-SATA, $1600-.
Sold.
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Odd - but I just can't picture Bill Gates and Steve Balmer using an Apple. Or maybe they do?
Odd - but I just can't picture Bill Gates and Steve Balmer using an Apple. Or maybe they do?
So you think that everybody in Cupertino uses Mac OS X exclusively? I hope not, otherwise they won't have the faintest idea of what the alternatives for OS X are like!
Going back to what you were replying for, there are some specialist companies that make high-end computers for the rich. MacBook Pros might represent the BMW/Mercedes level but if you have the money, you can get a Windows machine for $6000 to $10.000. After that it's just the quality of the leather, the quantity of the stones that affect the price. In fact, you can have a laptop for a cool million dollars. The bad news is that it has Blu Ray - so it runs Windows. Apple, in contrast to what people said, has no Ferrari in its current range. Perhaps an M5 or a special SL, but not a super- or hypercar. Sorry for the car analysis, but people keep referring to them.
if you feel you got a good return on investment, i would think this would be no. Do some people think that they get the best value for their money? probably not. Do some people think that they don't have the options available to them when selecting a macbook pro? probably, but that is all opinion base.
Do you really believe that?
The worker at McDonald's who takes your order makes as much in a month as a "typical worker" in China makes in five years.
Clearly much of what we buy from China is made by slave labor performed by political prisoners.
Apple designs their products, Apple does not manufacture anything.
You got that right.
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Truly outdated hardware in the MBP in my opinion, but if it works well for your needs it doesn't really matter, does it ? i do think that its the OS that we really want. I wish i could get a Sony Vaio AR 18.4" or there All-In-One L series Desktop with mac OS X but its not possible :S ,
so yea i will end up buying what apple has to offer me.
so yea i will end up buying what apple has to offer me.
markup
I used to work in a field where I would see the markup on products. It is shocking. Sometimes a $900 item would be at cost for $300.
I would say there is a sizable markup on MBPs
I used to work in a field where I would see the markup on products. It is shocking. Sometimes a $900 item would be at cost for $300.
I would say there is a sizable markup on MBPs
Odd - but I just can't picture Bill Gates and Steve Balmer using an Apple. Or maybe they do?
I was speaking of the users, not the owners of the company.
Steve Jobs is everything negative said about Gates and much, much more.
Surely you have noticed the snob appeal of Apple? Have you ever seen a PC laptop in a movie or TV show? Ever seen a Windows desktop screen in a movie or TV show?
What person in the "main stream" media says they use a Windows PC? How many trumpet the fact they use an Apple? And what sort of people are they?
Isn't Windows the operating system of the people?
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Microsoft stifled competition so that nobody could buy a PC without Windows on it, you were being denied a choice in the market. Do you remember BeOS? Apple never uses those kind of tactics that MS employed. With Apple you either buy their product or not. Intel hardware isn't tied to OSX is it?
You need to understand what the difference is between a convicted monopolist and somebody who engineers a product as a total solution. During the early days of computing this was how computers were made, there were loads of companies who made both the hardware and the software. Apple is the last of that kind, all the others were swept aside when MS lowered the cost of computing. That they get credit for, but to then sustain their dominance through back hand deals just made them the criminals they are. They HAVE been convicted btw, remember that, Apple hasn't.
BeOS was amazing during its time on the hardware it was running on and MS killed it by threatening to raise the OEM price of its licenses if a hardware manufacturer wanted to use BeOS. Only Toshiba actually installed it but through a stupid deal it was set on another partition that the customer didn't know about. Be (the company) with nobody to sell the OS to went into the internet as appliance market and then the dot com bubble burst killing all interest in their devices.
Do you know why you couldn't buy a PC without windows? MS said that those who do were using pirated copies, therefore ignoring all legitimate uses for wanting to own a naked machine. That is where the MS tax came from and now people try to use that argument against Apple when that is a totally different thing.
MS don't build machines but they made sure everybody who did used windows. Apple is at a disadvantage because you can only use OSX if you buy their machine. So buy their product or don't. But those 2 choices don't mean Apple is a monopoly.
funny thing, ive been realizing in over the last month that most, if not all shows/movies/commercials have a mac of some sort.
except the pc commercials. of course...
funny thing, ive been realizing in over the last month that most, if not all shows/movies/commercials have a mac of some sort.
except the pc commercials. of course...
It's part of Apple marketing, they pay to have Macs in the backround.
wow!
okay! I used to be the computer supervisor at best buy and we do not make 50 dollars on a laptop. As a matter of fact every laptop is sold below cost. we make our money off of service plans and accidental coverages and geek squad services. Oh and your claim for the 150 dollar accidental plan from dell is a complete lie. the only option they have is 3 years for 349. pretty heft price to pay. MAC RULES!!!
okay! I used to be the computer supervisor at best buy and we do not make 50 dollars on a laptop. As a matter of fact every laptop is sold below cost. we make our money off of service plans and accidental coverages and geek squad services. Oh and your claim for the 150 dollar accidental plan from dell is a complete lie. the only option they have is 3 years for 349. pretty heft price to pay. MAC RULES!!!
[QUOTE/] Apple is at a disadvantage because you can only use OSX if you buy their machine. So buy their product or don't. But those 2 choices don't mean Apple is a monopoly.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for caring enough to give such an excellent explanation. The part i quoted above I don't understand. If apple was at such a disadvantage, how come they don't let other hardware manufacturers make machines that will run osx? It is seems that they have the advantage of not having to compete against other hardware manufactures, insuring their profit margins will stay high.
Thanks for caring enough to give such an excellent explanation. The part i quoted above I don't understand. If apple was at such a disadvantage, how come they don't let other hardware manufacturers make machines that will run osx? It is seems that they have the advantage of not having to compete against other hardware manufactures, insuring their profit margins will stay high.
I don't understand your question. If they let other machines run OSX, they will have to lower their prices hardware prices in order to compete. It ensures that their margins will decrease.
The Clone Wars almost took Apple under. The lost a bundle by trying exactly that. Licensing OSX is a bad deal. Apple is a hardware company. They need OSX to be unique to their hardware.