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Is iOS 6 an OTA update?
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I am on my Verizon 4s and it says "this update requires a wifi network connection to download"....my wife's says the same....are we the only ones?
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Thanks for the reply, but I know that part. I was just wondering where did it go because before the update it use to be on my screen.
Looks like your assumption turned out to just be you reading too much into things. Perhaps you shouldn't spread rumors unless you have facts, not conjecture.
iOS6 is not fully OTA as it requires at least 2.5 GB of available storage on your device to install it this way. Via iTunes it does not impose this requirement.
...and how exactly does that make the update "not fully OTA"?
Well, for starters I wanted to OTA-update my iPad yesterday but couldn't - had to plug it into iTunes due to the incomprehensible free space requirement.
Well, for starters I wanted to OTA-update my iPad yesterday but couldn't - had to plug it into iTunes due to the incomprehensible free space requirement.
I'm tempted to write "You're upgrading it wrong", but probably should skip that part...
But seriously, the free space requirement doesn't make the update any less OTA. You don't need a computer, just some free space.
It shouldn't be all that shocking that space is required to download, unpack and update the system. If you do it through iTunes instead of OTA your computer will be handling a lot of the stuff instead of the iDevice...
I'm tempted to write "You're upgrading it wrong", but probably should skip that part...
But seriously, the free space requirement doesn't make the update any less OTA. You don't need a computer, just some free space.
It shouldn't be all that shocking that space is required to download, unpack and update the system. If you do it through iTunes instead of OTA your computer will be handling a lot of the stuff instead of the iDevice...
OK I know it's designed to be OTA, but the update wasn't OTA for me even though I tried. Not sure if that qualifies it as "partially-OTA" by design or not.
But I maintain that the free space requirement is stupid - are we sure they couldn't have gone the incremental update route here, at least for the OTA method?
I mean what's the point of downloading and exctracting a full 1GB OS package if you're so hell bent on achieving a "PC-free" environment? Yet again, Apple didn't try hard enough, as is sadly becoming the norm these days.
OK I know it's designed to be OTA, but the update wasn't OTA for me even though I tried. Not sure if that qualifies it as "partially-OTA" by design or not.
But I maintain that the free space requirement is stupid - are we sure they couldn't have gone the incremental update route here, at least for the OTA method?
I mean what's the point of downloading and exctracting a full 1GB OS package if you're so hell bent on achieving a "PC-free" environment? Yet again, Apple didn't try hard enough, as is sadly becoming the norm these days.
Where do you expect the file to be stored if not on the device? Stream it during a re-flash? Even Android OTA updates need to store the data somewhere on the device before installing. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
What I meant is had Apple allowed for an incremental OTA update to iOS6 (instead of the full deal that we were forced into) there wouldn't have been the need for so much free space on the device in the first place.
Admit it, the whole package of changes in iOS6 (as compared to iOS5.1.1) cannot amount to more than just a couple dozen megabytes of data, and that's being generous.
Admit to what? If you understand even the basics of software installation you can easliy assume an OTA OS upgrade needs space for:
-storage of the actual update
-decompression
-file swap space
As you have zero proof to backup your claim of "iOS6...cannot amount to more than just a couple dozen megabytes of data," you're either extremely ignorant and naive, or a troll.
I have 17gb of free space on my 4s and more than 40gb available on my new ipad. In what way does this not meet the update requirements?
Yet I have friends who were able to update via ota. Not sure what the problem exactly is, but well, it's a once a year affair, so no point fretting over it.
Common sense says all the included changes (as miniscule as they are) of iOS6 did not warrant a full OS update. Incremental would have sufficed, as it also did when e.g. iOS 5.0.0 was updated to 5.1.0, etc.
If you understood the first thing about software engineering then you'd get the idea. But you obviously don't so don't expect me to rephrase it for you a third time. Still, I'm bolding the key words here, in hope that you at least try to see what I've been getting at.
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Common sense huh? I suppose that you worked on this update and will now share with the internet all of your knowledge. How big was the new maps application? How much space do the changes to Facebook integration consume? What is the total size of the software after decompression?
You're making bold claims with zero evidence or facts to support.
Oh, I see. Were you on iOS 4 previously? Because the stand-alone app was removed from iOS 5 for iPhone. (Although was and still is available on the iPad.)
See here for a short discussion about it missing from iOS 5:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1259240/
Well, for starters I wanted to OTA-update my iPad yesterday but couldn't - had to plug it into iTunes due to the incomprehensible free space requirement.
While I ran into the free space requirement on both my iPhone and iPad as well, I simply went into Usage in my Settings, selected either video content or large apps, deleted the item, and continued with the upgrade, knowing I could re add the apps or videos at another point. The apps I chose were ones I never really used but were quite large nonetheless. And the videos I figured I wasn't going to watch a particular movie in the next several hours.
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Please. Agree to disagree, or substantiate your claim until the argument gets to circular and then let it go. However, MR strongly discourages calling people names.
I'm making my claims as educated guesses, based on my experience with software packages (and updates) in general. Do you have any proof suggesting a full update was essentially needed, as opposed to an incremental one?
Anyhow, the compressed IPSW is about 60 megs larger for ios6 than that for ios5. That's not saying all of the ios6 changes take up only those 60 megs, but going by the nature of the changes and the sizes of other similar apps in the store I'd say the 60 megs it's about equal to what an update of this magnitude might consitute.
I also tried to content-compare the two IPSW files (and then the correspoding extracted DMG files) but ran out of memory to do so. If there's anyone better equipped for this comparison please go ahead and let us know how different the files really are from each other. I bet there's not too much difference to be found, provided the code structure is the same.
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All I'm saying is the free space requirement (and Apple not offering ios6 as an incremental update) kind of defeats the purpose of a "PC-free" ecosystem that Apple is so adamant on advertising. Had I deleted my videos I'd have eventually had to plug my ipad to itunes in order to get them back.
I can say for certain that when I connected my iPad 3 to iTunes, it started a 1GB+ download for iOS 6. I paused that, disconnected the iPad, and started an OTA update. It went MUCH quicker than a 1GB download would do. So based on my experience, an OTA update is a much smaller differential update. I wouldn't be surprised if the OTA update then had to build a full 1GB installation package which is then applied, rather than applying the incremental updates directly to the system, hence the free space requirement. My iPad had more than enough free space so I didn't run into that limitation.
You know something, youre right! Based solely on your common sense, this new OS could have been accomplished with file perhaps as small as 30MB! Boy, Apple sure are stupid to pay all of those engineers and developers to make bloated software. Obviously no one at Apple has considered what might be the simplest and most efficient way to update their most widely distributed operating system ever. Theyre even dumber to host and distribute the unnecessary hundreds of megabytes of data to the millions of devices worldwide thus wasting massive amounts of bandwidth, storage, and energy.
You should quickly send your CV to Tim Cook. Hes bound to hire you and make you King of the Developers. You can scoff at all of those ridiculous plebian engineers, programmers, and developers who obviously are lacking any real direction from a masterful wit such as yours. Lookout Steve, your legacy is about to be questioned. A new Apple legend is on the rise and his name is globalist!
No it doesn't. You don't need a PC, therefore it's PC independent. Your content storage problems do not dictate what makes something an OTA update or not.
You should quickly send your CV to Tim Cook. Hes bound to hire you and make you King of the Developers. You can scoff at all of those ridiculous plebian engineers, programmers, and developers who obviously are lacking any real direction from a masterful wit such as yours. Lookout Steve, your legacy is about to be questioned. A new Apple legend is on the rise and his name is globalist!
No it doesn't. You don't need a PC, therefore it's PC independent. Your content storage problems do not dictate what makes something an OTA update or not.
If you think this is about "bloated software" then you're missing the point.
It's about missing efficiency and a certain amount of arrogance on the part of Apple.
"Sure why not do a full OS update. We paid big bucks for our new and shiny NC data center so let's put those tubes to work. And if we inconvenience our 'PC-free' users whose devices are almost full, so be it."
But then again, this sort of attitude is nothing new when you're a big corp. And it's definitely not like we haven't seen bigger blunders from Apple than just pushing a full OS update where they could have easily pushed an incremental one.
I am astonished at the ignorance displayed here.If you think this is about "bloated software" then you're missing the point.
It's about missing efficiency and a certain amount of arrogance on the part of Apple.
"Sure why not do a full OS update. We paid big bucks for our new and shiny NC data center so let's put those tubes to work. And if we inconvenience our 'PC-free' users whose devices are almost full, so be it."
But then again, this sort of attitude is nothing new when you're a big corp. And it's definitely not like we haven't seen bigger blunders from Apple than just pushing a full OS update where they could have easily pushed an incremental one.
You cannot possibly be serious. I hope that was all said in jest.
I can see logic is pointless so will just leave it be.
Michael