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Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?

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sunking101 said:
Well, when one considers that the iPhone 6 has the same Achilles heel as the iPhone 5 and 5S, then yes. We all know that Apple will slow down the iPhone 5 very soon, come the next major iteration of iOS, and that really there's no way that the phone cannot cope with the same o/s as the iPhone 6. It has a plenty fast enough processor to cope with any version of iOS that the iPhone 6 can. RAM is already an issue now, like it was 12 months before the iPhone 6 was even released. Come iOS9, the 6S will be out and it will have 2GB of RAM. Instantly the iPhone 6 will become compromised, and how often does that happen just 12 months after being released? Sure we expect to have a slightly slower processor and a slightly inferior camera, but never do we expect the S model to have such a major jump in crucial hardware over its predecessor. iOS9, or certainly iOS10 will take increasing advantage of the hike in RAM and all those with the iPhone 6 will be left in the same boat as iPhone 6 and 5S owners.
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Your is a fantasy book...
Apple won't slow down the iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 in the future will be slowed down by its aging hardware.

And you just demonstrated how poor knowledge of Apple's hardware you have: the jump from iPhone 5 and 5S was huge, hardware wise, because A7 architecture was really new and innovative.
 
Max(IT) said:
Your is a fantasy book...
Apple won't slow down the iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 in the future will be slowed down by its aging hardware.

And you just demonstrated how poor knowledge of Apple's hardware you have: the jump from iPhone 5 and 5S was huge, hardware wise, because A7 architecture was really new and innovative.
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The i5 to 5S was huge? Funny that even the i5 to 6+ doesn't seem huge to me, the screen size and battery life aside. Many people saw next to no difference in performance between the iPhone 5 and 5S. Nada.
 
C DM said:
One, two, or even a few frame drop "glitches" don't play a role anywhere close to anything like that for the vast majority, since the majority of that vast majority don't even notice let alone care about them.

And an even larger majority doesn't care or even think about "showing off iOS".
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What everyone on these forums seems to not understand right here.

Chances are if you are on this forum, you have far more knowledge/care about computer operating systems.
 
DoctorKrabs said:
This looks perfect to you?

Design is something that people disagree on much of the time, and when you make a completely general argument and say "this looks good, that looks bad", you have no argument at all.

Debate like a real man.
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It depends on the context, in case of designing a software product there are general arguments like "this looks good, that looks bad".

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C DM said:
The way something looks to someone has nothing to do with what it's actually like or what it looks like to someone else.
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It does not?? I think the design of a smartphone OS is one of the key aspects of itself because clever design means more intuitive usability.
 
sunking101 said:
The i5 to 5S was huge? Funny that even the i5 to 6+ doesn't seem huge to me, the screen size and battery life aside. Many people saw next to no difference in performance between the iPhone 5 and 5S. Nada.
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Reason is battery life. The cpu bump is huge but these phones are not doing nuclear simulations. most of what you do on a phone is hurry up and wait; but real time processing is around the corner.
 
sunking101 said:
The i5 to 5S was huge? Funny that even the i5 to 6+ doesn't seem huge to me, the screen size and battery life aside. Many people saw next to no difference in performance between the iPhone 5 and 5S. Nada.
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If you can't understand SoC architectures, I'm very sorry...
 
Bomb Bloke said:
Are... are you trying to suggest that the 5's processors will slow down due to old age?

Did you really just go there?
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When I'm posting here, I always assume I'm speaking with people with basic understanding of technology. Clearly this isn't the case...

The A6 will "slow down" in future applications and newer versions of the iOS due to the limitations of its architecture, as any other CPU and gpu.
Cyclone, the A7 architecture, is a very wide processor, much powerful than swift (A6) and any Krait core (the base of snapdragon SoC).
Going from A6 to A7 Apple took a big step in the right direction.
It will takes a couple of generations, but it could be accelerated by the ARMv8 vs ARMv7 differences. I don't think it will be the case with iOS 9, but iOS 10 could be the first 64-bit only mobile operative system.
 
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Granted, running more demanding software on older hardware won't get you the same results as running it on a modern platform - but that's an entirely separate notion to the achievable throughput of the older hardware reducing as time goes on. The change comes from the software, not the hardware.

You can perhaps make a saving throw by claiming you were speaking metaphorically, if you wish. And I'll certainly concede that if you want to "get more" out of your software, you've got to continuously upgrade your hardware.

Which brings us to the point of the thread, that being that for many users, the new iOS releases don't do all that much more to justify their negatives - and many of those negatives don't "need" to be there at all. Apple released updates damaging the overall performance of their devices, within an activation framework that prevents those who install them (or those who have the misfortune of having it done "for" them, or those who have their older devices break and are handed an "updated" replacement...) from reverting.

That leads to topics such as this one, where people complain about the situation.
 
Bomb Bloke said:
Granted, running more demanding software on older hardware won't get you the same results as running it on a modern platform - but that's an entirely separate notion to the achievable throughput of the older hardware reducing as time goes on. The change comes from the software, not the hardware.

You can perhaps make a saving throw by claiming you were speaking metaphorically, if you wish. And I'll certainly concede that if you want to "get more" out of your software, you've got to continuously upgrade your hardware.

Which brings us to the point of the thread, that being that for many users, the new iOS releases don't do all that much more to justify their negatives - and many of those negatives don't "need" to be there at all. Apple released updates damaging the overall performance of their devices, within an activation framework that prevents those who install them (or those who have the misfortune of having it done "for" them, or those who have their older devices break and are handed an "updated" replacement...) from reverting.

That leads to topics such as this one, where people complain about the situation.
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You clearly don't know much about iOS, if you think that "the new iOS releases don't do all that much more to justify their negatives".
IOS 7 and 8 introduced a lot of new things. A lot.
And it runs fine on the A6.
The only hardware affected is the very old one, like the iPad 2. That's still running, but with some glitches.
 
"A lot"! Great! And I'm sure those features are useful to many people, and that many of those people feel that makes it all worth it! I don't doubt any of that for a second, let alone dispute it.

But - and of course there's a but - they could have been implemented without the worst of the drawbacks - if Apple were inclined to give their developers the time and resources to implement each new build correctly for each generation of hardware. A new notification center, for example, does not "justify" an overall reduction in springboard responsiveness.

But they're not prepared to do that; for some reason they seem perfectly content to tell their users to buy new hardware instead. Funny, that. It's almost as though they don't think that pandering to their userbase of older hardware isn't going to make them enough money to make up for it.

... and you're aware that people don't just complain about the iPad 2, yes?
 
Bomb Bloke said:
"A lot"! Great! And I'm sure those features are useful to many people, and that many of those people feel that makes it all worth it! I don't doubt any of that for a second, let alone dispute it.

But - and of course there's a but - they could have been implemented without the worst of the drawbacks - if Apple were inclined to give their developers the time and resources to implement each new build correctly for each generation of hardware. A new notification center, for example, does not "justify" an overall reduction in springboard responsiveness.

But they're not prepared to do that; for some reason they seem perfectly content to tell their users to buy new hardware instead. Funny, that. It's almost as though they don't think that pandering to their userbase of older hardware isn't going to make them enough money to make up for it.

... and you're aware that people don't just complain about the iPad 2, yes?
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Apple isn't telling me to buy new hardware.
I'm using iOS 8.1 on my iPad air, which isn't new hardware.
I'm using iOS 8.1 also on iPad 4 and mini 2. Definitely not new hardware.
It works very well.
I've seen many iPhone 5, including my former one, sold to a friend, working fine with iOS 8.
I've seen glitches only on iPhone 4S and iPad 2 (and mini). And that's old hardware.

So I can't understand all of this whining about planned obsolescence. I can't see any.
Apple is releasing a new iOS iteration every year. That's more than reasonable. Actually that's actually what I like.
Do you really think my nexus 7 is working with lollipop like it was with kit Kat ? Not at all. But I'm not complaining, because it was expected.
I'm happy about it, nonetheless.
 
Max(IT) said:
You clearly don't know much about iOS, if you think that "the new iOS releases don't do all that much more to justify their negatives".
IOS 7 and 8 introduced a lot of new things. A lot.
And it runs fine on the A6.
The only hardware affected is the very old one, like the iPad 2. That's still running, but with some glitches.
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As I said, for me, iPad 2 runs 8.1.3 just fine. At least as well ss 7.1.2.
 
marvz said:
It depends on the context, in case of designing a software product there are general arguments like "this looks good, that looks bad".

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It does not?? I think the design of a smartphone OS is one of the key aspects of itself because clever design means more intuitive usability.
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Clever design can easily mean less intuitive usability for a typical user. Just because something is new and different (and perhaps "cool") doesn't make it actually automatically better in all or even many aspects. There is much more to usability and functionality and even general usefulness than looks.
 
Scrolling on my 6 Plus (alien blue, Twitter, etc.) is jittery. Not what I wanted from a $650 phone. Disciplining.
 
Max(IT) said:
Apple isn't telling me to buy new hardware.
I'm using iOS 8.1 on my iPad air, which isn't new hardware.
I'm using iOS 8.1 also on iPad 4 and mini 2. Definitely not new hardware.
It works very well.
I've seen many iPhone 5, including my former one, sold to a friend, working fine with iOS 8.
I've seen glitches only on iPhone 4S and iPad 2 (and mini). And that's old hardware.

So I can't understand all of this whining about planned obsolescence. I can't see any.
Apple is releasing a new iOS iteration every year. That's more than reasonable. Actually that's actually what I like.
Do you really think my nexus 7 is working with lollipop like it was with kit Kat ? Not at all. But I'm not complaining, because it was expected.
I'm happy about it, nonetheless.
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There are a lot of choppy animations on iPad Air running iOS 8.1.3 (spotlight rotation, app store rotation, control center with split keyboard on etc.) so I wouldn't say the performance is great.
Speed wise, yeah, iPad Air is fine.
Smoothness wise, not so much. iPhone 3Gs on iOS 6 is smoother than iPad Air on iOS 8.1.3.
 
TommyA6 said:
There are a lot of choppy animations on iPad Air running iOS 8.1.3 (spotlight rotation, app store rotation, control center with split keyboard on etc.) so I wouldn't say the performance is great.
Speed wise, yeah, iPad Air is fine.
Smoothness wise, not so much. iPhone 3Gs on iOS 6 is smoother than iPad Air on iOS 8.1.3.
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Yeah then Apple wonders why their tablet sales are going down every year.
 
TommyA6 said:
There are a lot of choppy animations on iPad Air running iOS 8.1.3 (spotlight rotation, app store rotation, control center with split keyboard on etc.) so I wouldn't say the performance is great.
Speed wise, yeah, iPad Air is fine.
Smoothness wise, not so much. iPhone 3Gs on iOS 6 is smoother than iPad Air on iOS 8.1.3.
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Smoothness is a very subjective and debatable argument. I can't see any problem on my iPad.

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sanke1 said:
Yeah then Apple wonders why their tablet sales are going down every year.
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That's totally unrelated...

Tablet sales are going down for a lot of reasons, but surely not for stuttering saw only on forums like this....
 
Max(IT) said:
Smoothness is a very subjective and debatable argument. I can't see any problem on my iPad.

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That's totally unrelated...

Tablet sales are going down for a lot of reasons, but surely not for stuttering saw only on forums like this....
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Lots of animations on iPad Air aren't even near 60 fps, meaning it ain't smooth. Quite simple really.
 
TommyA6 said:
Lots of animations on iPad Air aren't even near 60 fps, meaning it ain't smooth. Quite simple really.
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Did you actually tested the frame rate? How?
And even if true, who defined 60 fps as the minimum requirement?

As I said, it's debatable and subjective.
 
MaciMac100 said:
iPhone 1 (with that ancient cpu) running iOS3 is more responsive than iOS8.

http://youtu.be/5Ti0KdXrgSE
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Actually this behavior has been discovered in one of the first iOS 7.0 betas. It is hard to to tell if a faster animation would fix things. There is still something going on with an old screenshot when you switch apps. You see it sometimes before an app has been fully loaded. Maybe Apple decided to block unintended interaction with this screenshot, because it can be outdated. Either way this problem is part of the huge pile of UI glitches from iOS 7/8 and needs to be addressed.
 
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