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Is iOS 8 bad coding or planned obsolescence?
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The animation when opening a city from the list is about 10 FPS when it used to be buttery smooth.
I used a 4S with iOS 7 and it was very responsive (no lag when tapping icons) and the weather app was smoother. There is no reason for the 4S with 7.1.2 to be smoother or more responsive than iPhones with iOS 8. All of the little things add up to a worse experience.
I agree that it should be better, but small things of this nature unless they are truly in most places aren't sometbing to really be upset about, as in the whole "FU Apple" that was conveyed in the post about that.
This just goes along with all the developers recently ragging on Apple for the lack of polish lately. Like iOS 7.1 was buttery smooth on 5S and now its not quite as smooth. It all comes down to software optimization.
The recent rumors from 9 to 5 mac is that Apple is going to take a breather this year like they do every 3 years on software and concentrate less on features and more on stabilizing the software. iOS 3 and iOS 6 were both weak with features so iOS 9 should be the same.
I doubt that's going to happen. When iOS 3 came out there was basically no competition to the iPhone. When iOS 6 came out Android began to pass iOS in the feature department. Apple doesn't have the luxury to do a stability release with the currently level of competition.
Not to mention that iOS 6 introduced a ton of new features, so it wasn't weak on features.
Those are small features, there are always new features but small ones have less of a chance of breaking things than major ones.
If I was asked to name 5 new features in iOS 6 the only one I can think of is Do Not Disturb... not really a major feature. While I can list more prominent new features for iOS 5, 7 and 8 (Like iMessage, Control Center, and Widgets respectively).
I don't know about iOS 3 being a small release though.
Yup. It is a huge issue. I cannot show it off to my Android guys telling how buttery smooth iOS is these days.
Not kidding. I am finding it difficult to recommend iOS device to people due to random bugs and UI glitches.
One, two, or even a few frame drop "glitches" don't play a role anywhere close to anything like that for the vast majority, since the majority of that vast majority don't even notice let alone care about them.
And an even larger majority doesn't care or even think about "showing off iOS".
I wish Apple would allow us to downgrade to older iOS versions (like with Mac OS X). So we could test a newer iOS version if it runs smoothly enough (subjective opinion for every user) and if yes, stay on that version or if no, go back to the older version.
I would also rather have Apple wait until they have gotten most of the bugs before they release a new version.
8.5/8.6/etc would also be fine instead of releasing iOS 9 this fall with 345 new features.
I would also rather have Apple wait until they have gotten most of the bugs before they release a new version.
8.5/8.6/etc would also be fine instead of releasing iOS 9 this fall with 345 new features.
I have no problem with that as well but the masses might not consider that progress.
At least 5 people have gotten an iPhone over the competition based on my recommendation, one didn't. I have no problem recommending iOS.
In my opinion only a small percentage of people actually care about every glitch as a major showstopper.
Not being a shareholder, I don't need to recommend it. I just need to enjoy it.
And I'm enjoying iOS very much.
I'm often the go to "tech" person in my "corner of the universe". I don't go around prosthelytizing IOS or any phone or anything for that matter; but when asked an opinion I give it based on how I see it. I've had more than my share of "what phone should I get"?
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This is the problem exactly: there are two kinds of people in this world.
1) People who *are capable of noticing the stuff you just mentioned*
2) People who *are not* and/or *don't care AT ALL*
Most people are type (2) and that's OK. If you're reading this, you're more than likely a type (2). Your iOS 8 device probably has the exact same behavior that would annoy a type (1), except your brain is incapable of noticing, and therefore you think it's perfect.
Just like some people have much sharper eyesight than others, or better hearing, or the ability to discern musical tones much better, or are colorblind, or have better 3D-spatial reasoning, also some people's brains run at a higher FPS, or they are more intelligent and can notice finer details in things that most people miss. Being a type (2) doesn't mean you're stupid, but it does mean you're not capable of seeing things that Steve Jobs would see or being annoyed by things that would annoy Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs was one of those rare type (1) people, and he had the power and authority within Apple to act as quality control using these sorts of criteria. No wonder most people thought he was an *******... He'd probably say "this is sh**, make it a flawless buttery-smooth 60FPS or you're fired and I'll get someone who can!
Whereas most CEOs just offload the QA to other people and assume it will be OK. Then whoever does QA is afraid to be too much of a jerk and/or is a type (2) person who just doesn't notice or care. Or they are more interested in meeting a deadline than making sure the product is perfectionized to the degree that only 1% of people will notice the difference.
All-in-all it could be a lot worse, but frankly I think the all-white design (or, really, *lack of design*) is the worst thing about iOS 7 and 8. The glitchy and buggy text selection and editing is a close second.
Bit it does make you wonder if Apple actually has anyone in QA that has the power to fire bad engineers.
This is the problem exactly: there are two kinds of people in this world.
1) People who *are capable of noticing the stuff you just mentioned*
2) People who *are not* and/or *don't care AT ALL*
Most people are type (2) and that's OK. If you're reading this, you're more than likely a type (2). Your iOS 8 device probably has the exact same behavior that would annoy a type (1), except your brain is incapable of noticing, and therefore you think it's perfect.
Just like some people have much sharper eyesight than others, or better hearing, or the ability to discern musical tones much better, or are colorblind, or have better 3D-spatial reasoning, also some people's brains run at a higher FPS, or they are more intelligent and can notice finer details in things that most people miss. Being a type (2) doesn't mean you're stupid, but it does mean you're not capable of seeing things that Steve Jobs would see or being annoyed by things that would annoy Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs was one of those rare type (1) people, and he had the power and authority within Apple to act as quality control using these sorts of criteria. No wonder most people thought he was an *******... He'd probably say "this is sh**, make it a flawless buttery-smooth 60FPS or you're fired and I'll get someone who can!
Whereas most CEOs just offload the QA to other people and assume it will be OK. Then whoever does QA is afraid to be too much of a jerk and/or is a type (2) person who just doesn't notice or care. Or they are more interested in meeting a deadline than making sure the product is perfectionized to the degree that only 1% of people will notice the difference.
All-in-all it could be a lot worse, but frankly I think the all-white design (or, really, *lack of design*) is the worst thing about iOS 7 and 8. The glitchy and buggy text selection and editing is a close second.
Bit it does make you wonder if Apple actually has anyone in QA that has the power to fire bad engineers.
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Yes. But I would like to have iOS 7/8's control center, app-switching, security updates, and Metal. I'll keep iOS 6's look-and-feel, skeuomorphism, and especially its vastly-superior in-browser text editing.
There are so many third party developers who absolutely ruined their beautiful apps by trying to redesign them according to Apple's self-contradictory iOS 7 and iOS 8 design guidelines. "Deference" and "depth" ugh, they gave no APIs for depth and "deference" is just stupid. 2Do used to have such a pleasing, gorgeous, skeuomorphic design and it was trashed in favor of a low-contrast, hard-to understand iOS 7/8 look. Same thing happened to Grafio... They removed the great icons and wood paneling in favor of a crowded toolbar of thin-line icons that are hard to look at.
I don't understand this world anymore, how a company can just destroy amazing works that we've waited for all of human history to finally get. And they ruin it just a couple of years after everyone universally agrees that it's the best thing ever. I'll never understand that, nor how ANY of you can somehow think the new way is better, the stark white eyesore.
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I agree. That's why Steve Jobs was so unique, he actually cared about things that most people are like, "Meh, let the whiners whine. Most people won't care."
It's called "having exacting standards" and it's what put Apple on top. If they go away from that, you might as well get Android.
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This is the attitude that will destroy Apple. The attitude that performance glitches are not "worthy" of caring about. This attitude is a lowering of the bar, it is allowing a cruddier, crappier product to pass the muster.
This kind of thing is the canary in the goldmine. Apple has a substantial lead based on putting out the better product, and it was better precisely because it didn't do this kind of crap. If I was in charge at Apple then I would raise hell over this and many of the other problems in iOS 8, instead of just pretending everything's OK just because most people aren't capable of noticing or caring about these sorts of problems.
I must say that I don't miss wood panelling but I do agree that way too many people seem to accept what verges on mediocrity and these forums are testament to it. The amount of people who say their phones perform flawlessly, and that everything is like butter etc simply astound me. A couple of hours spent on an iPhone turns up several recurrent bugs for me and if Apple engineers and beta testers can't pick these up then it's just plain shoddy. The fact that so many happily accept them just lets Apple off the hook.
I know the design can be questionable, but it's an opinion, just because you like fake wood doesn't mean everyone does or it would still be there. The design will probably get better over time, and when Apple is ready they'll do another (probably more thought-out) redesign.
There are issues and then there are issues. There is a difference (at least to the vast majority).
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