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Is it feasible for OS 3.0 to be released at WWDC?

fishkorp said:
There are still many unanswered questions for push-capable apps, which on the Apple beta forums the answer is "we'll address it when it's closer to going live." So unless these companies are getting preferential treatment, all the pieces aren't in place yet. And if they are getting treatment, it's not very fair for people who's apps depend on a feature like push. Many successful and useful apps came from small to mid-sized companies. You might be right, but I'd like to see some evidence that points to that. With 2.0 the devs that were in the program at the time, every single one of them, got an email saying when to submit their apps to be available on launch day. I fully expect something similar to happen with 3.0.

The biggest question still out there is the bundle identifier. Many devs were using wildcard identifiers in their apps. You cannot do that and use push. As of right now, the only way to push-enable an app that previously had a wildcard identifier is to make it an entirely new app, which would mean all the customers have to buy it again. It's a HUGE issue. I'm sure thousands of people don't want to rebuy an app they already bought just because the developer used a wildcard identifier. Apple keeps saying "don't worry about it, it's only beta."
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I think you might have a misunderstanding of the process. You wouldn't use a wildcard bundle identifier, you would use a wildcard App ID. The App ID is what has to be unique and cannot have a wildcard identifier for push. So we will need separate App IDs for every app now instead of one all encompassing App ID, but this does NOT mean that customers would have to purchase the app again since the bundle identifier wouldn't change. Only the App ID would.
 
I think that Apple had no plans for Steve Jobs to be at WWDC.

I think that the Palm Pre capabilities and PR took Apple by surprise- they never suspected that the Pre would be as good as it appears to be, and more importantly, that it generated the buzz/press that it is getting.

I think Apple was also hit with a second surprising punch- the Pre's release the day before WWDC.

I don' t think OS 3.0 or the new iPhone is ready for release at WWDC.

Apple needs to divert the attention away from Pre, so I think that we will see Steve Jobs make a surprise appearance at WWDC. So much mystery has surrounded Steve Jobs that his showing up for a few minutes via video link, will take up all the airwaves and steal Pre's buzz.

Conclusion:
So if Apple doesn't release OS 3.0 or a new iPhone, expect Steve Jobs at WWDC. If Apple does release these on the day of WWDC, Steve's presence won't be necessary.
 
Well, here are my 2 cents. As a registered developer and one such that I spent 4 hours yesterday with developer support product specialist tier 2 due to various problems in the development process and beta 3.0, the product specialist with Apple said that the release of the FINAL version of 3.0 has been pushed back due to so many bugs and to expect a release middle to late summer. Seems to coincide with the release of the new iPhone that she 'unofficially' went on the record to say will be released. :D
 
Keep dreaming. Since when has Apple directly responded to any competition at all? From all angles, 3.0 is nowhere near ready for release and hasn't hit gold yet. There is about a 1% chance that it will be released at WWDC.

True to form, it will be released the same day as the new iPhone. Apple couldn't care less about the Palm Pre. They will hold off releasing 3.0 until the new iPhone comes out because they want existing users to upgrade phones. If the current users get 3.0 and see that their phones are just as good as the new ones, they won't feel the urgency to get a new iPhone.

No use torturing ourselves over the notion that we'll see 3.0 during WWDC. What we will see is new features added, a preview of those said features, a new BETA 6 release following, and then the final release in late June or early to mid July with the new iPhone, depending on when Apple chooses to release the new device. I am so confident that I'd wager a large sum that this is what will happen. As long as people have followed Apple, I'm amazed that you guys still think they'd release a major upgrade immediately following a conference.
 
Buschmaster said:
I think you might have a misunderstanding of the process. You wouldn't use a wildcard bundle identifier, you would use a wildcard App ID. The App ID is what has to be unique and cannot have a wildcard identifier for push. So we will need separate App IDs for every app now instead of one all encompassing App ID, but this does NOT mean that customers would have to purchase the app again since the bundle identifier wouldn't change. Only the App ID would.
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I meant App ID, sorry. I had identifiers on the mind when I typed that since I had a message in iTunes Connect about bundle identifiers not matching, lol. Sorry.

According to the info that was provided, if you're using a wildcard ID (currently), you cannot add push to that app, it would be considered a "new" application when switching the ID, unless Apple changed something in the last week or so. Apple representatives even acknowledged it. If they did change that, they didn't mention it in the 3.0 dev forums :( I'll go test it out though.

So I created a new App ID, kept the same bundle identifier, and it works (at least with dev/debug, my app still crashes using ad-hoc push builds). Good to know, thanks. Hopefully someone will update the info on Apple's side.
 
benflick said:
The servers crashed last year because exsisting iphone users downloaded 2.0. Add in all of the new iPhone 3g activations... Eek.
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The two were separate. Is was more than likely MobileMe. Activation was all on AT&T's side.


We will more than likely see 3.0 the night before the next iPhone.
 
3.0 will not come out at WWDC because, as someone said before, if people see 3.0 as a great software update, they may be more inclined to not purchase the new iphone.
 
bjquach said:
3.0 will not come out at WWDC because, as someone said before, if people see 3.0 as a great software update, they may be more inclined to not purchase the new iphone.
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Except that there are barely any new hardware features or design changes on the new iPhone. So I don't think people are going to be buying it anyway.
 
I dont think the "if i download it on WWDC day i may not buy a new iPhone" argument is valid. Those who have an iPhone fall into two categories 3G & 2G. 3G owners can't upgrade regardless due to contract ties and the only reason 2G owners were able to upgrade was because it was unsubsidized...not the case with the 3G.

2G owners' contracts are about to expire and will upgrade regardless of 3.0 or not or get something else if they were planning to so moot point

Overall 3.0 doesn't have that big a say and therefore releasing it at WWDC won't have any major effect regardless

As for those saying the software isn't ready based on latest beta...well judging from 2.0's release its not above Apple to release something just to get it out there and patch it up later on and 3.0 is unlikely to be any different

However i do agree that 3.0 probably not gonna make the WWDC release...even though i kinda wish it did
 
In the iPhone 3.0 event they said it would be released this SUMMER. That means after June 21st, so it won't be released at WWDC.
 
No. No way. This beta is so incredibly buggy, it wouldn't even be a valid RC1. Unless they have been working their tails off for two and a half weeks (And a week and a day more) they've got a whole lot of work to do.
 
Why does some people think Palm Pre is a major concern for Apple enough to push them to release 3.0 early? Please, Apple will release it when it is ready to be released. Look at Leopard, PNS, 2.0 release, they all got delayed. Apple will do whatever they wish and won't let anybody else pressure them.

Do you know how many "iPhone Killers" people have been talking about the past year? The Blackberry Storm, the G1 and so on.
 
Well I'm sure with the Palm Pre breathing down it's neck the iPhone crew has strapped itself in for some home runs..we shall see... I have high hopes and expectations as always.
 
fishkorp said:
And if they are getting treatment, it's not very fair for people who's apps depend on a feature like push. Many successful and useful apps came from small to mid-sized companies.
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You say that like it isn't a well established fact that the app developer programme is about as fair as a Zimbabwean election.

Phazer
 
daneoni said:
As for those saying the software isn't ready based on latest beta...well judging from 2.0's release its not above Apple to release something just to get it out there and patch it up later on and 3.0 is unlikely to be any different
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Exactly. Doesn't anyone remember Safari before 2.2? It was atrocious and one could barely use it. A firmware not being rock-solid has never stopped Apple from releasing it.

TurboSC said:
Well I'm sure with the Palm Pre breathing down it's neck the iPhone crew has strapped itself in for some home runs..we shall see... I have high hopes and expectations as always.
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This makes sense. The Pre is being released the day before the WWDC. Do you think Apple is just going to sit back and not try to steal its thunder? Let's not be naive. For those who say Apple doesn't ever respond to competition, what do you think the "I'm an Apple, I'm a PC" adds are? This is marketing against a competitor. Apple would be stupid not to release some sort of fanfare during the WWDC. And saying the new iPhone will be released in a month is not good enough. Customers have little patience nowadays. They'll go with the Pre rather than wait a month. People buy what's available.
 
daneoni said:
I dont think the "if i download it on WWDC day i may not buy a new iPhone" argument is valid.
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You are right it is not valid. This argument fails to take in to account the biggest target for Apple. Those who never owned an iPhone before. Believe it or not, they do exist.
 
the fact that beta 6 has not been released yet, certainly shows that beta 5 may in fact be the final beta, which is a bummer.
 
daneoni said:
....or will they do what they did last time and wait till release day of the new iPhone?. I think the latter is a bad move seeing how their servers were brought down

Best method will be somewhere between WWDC and release date
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Like when 2.0 was released, sometime a the same time when the new iPhone is released; however, seeing the huge mess that happened last year, I'd say sometime (like a day or so) after or before the next iPhone release.
 
kas23 said:
Exactly. Doesn't anyone remember Safari before 2.2? It was atrocious and one could barely use it. A firmware not being rock-solid has never stopped Apple from releasing it.



This makes sense. The Pre is being released the day before the WWDC. Do you think Apple is just going to sit back and not try to steal its thunder? Let's not be naive. For those who say Apple doesn't ever respond to competition, what do you think the "I'm an Apple, I'm a PC" adds are? This is marketing against a competitor. Apple would be stupid not to release some sort of fanfare during the WWDC. And saying the new iPhone will be released in a month is not good enough. Customers have little patience nowadays. They'll go with the Pre rather than wait a month. People buy what's available.
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Marketing and responding to a competitor isn't the same thing in this case. The "I'm a Mac" ads are just ads. It's not directed against anybody, it's trying to distance itself from the PC world that's constantly fiddled with issues, they are trying to make the Mac brand even more stronger and not associate it with PC. That's the smart marketing. People do not respond well to competitors dissing and talking crap about another competitor, that's why Apple don't do it. Apple will talk about iPhone at WWDC, share more information, do some "One more Thing", but they aren't going to respond to Palm directly. They're going to completely ignore it.

Look at what happened with Google's Wave and MS Bing. MS was announcing Bing and spreading the hype at same time with Google's Wave. Nobody heard of Bing, it was Waves all around the world.

That's what Apple is going to do.
 
I've been told by the Tooth Fairy that the new iPhone along with OS 3.0 will come out on Friday, July 17, 2009.

MikhailT said:
Look at what happened with Google's Wave and MS Bing. MS was announcing Bing and spreading the hype at same time with Google's Wave. Nobody heard of Bing, it was Waves all around the world.
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I know this is off-topic, but Bing is just a really poor choice in naming. Wave sounds much better.
 
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