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The iphone is such an iconic product and for years it was always exciting when a new phone came out. Sure some years weren’t as interesting as others but it mostly always felt like a good upgrade even if you did it every year.

But now, all it seems to be every year is better camera, faster processor and (sometimes) better battery life. The last time a truly exciting thing happened IMO was the all screen design with the X. I have an iphone 12 but I’m not really sure what it does that my XS didn’t do (yeah i know there are things but i mean for my personal circumstances). It all just feels the same. I upgrade every 2-3 years on average, maybe i just need to hold on for them for longer.

Anyone else feel the same way?
 
The iphone is such an iconic product and for years it was always exciting when a new phone came out. Sure some years weren’t as interesting as others but it mostly always felt like a good upgrade even if you did it every year.

But now, all it seems to be every year is better camera, faster processor and (sometimes) better battery life. The last time a truly exciting thing happened IMO was the all screen design with the X. I have an iphone 12 but I’m not really sure what it does that my XS didn’t do (yeah i know there are things but i mean for my personal circumstances). It all just feels the same. I upgrade every 2-3 years on average, maybe i just need to hold on for them for longer.

Anyone else feel the same way?


 
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All upgrades are incremental right now, which is totally fine. We're starting to reach the peak of what a phone can do.

Just think about it, what more "major changes" can they do with a phone?
Face ID under the screen? Still a few years out probably, possibly 2022 model I guess
Major new battery technology? Also definitely still a few years out

There's only so much you can do in a device as small as a phone and imo peak smartphone has already been reached and the only thing that can be added are incremental improvements on the existing hardware.
 
It’s all going to be fairly incremental and similar, until there’s some quantum leap in technology. It’ll come, but not soon.

When it boils down to it, there’s not a heck of a lot different between the iPhone 12 and one from a decade ago.

Yes, better screens, FaceID/Touch ID, better cameras, better batteries, better WiFi, better cellular, bett... well, you see where I’m going here, same ingredients, better quality, still makes for a better cake overall.
 
The iphone is such an iconic product and for years it was always exciting when a new phone came out. Sure some years weren’t as interesting as others but it mostly always felt like a good upgrade even if you did it every year.

But now, all it seems to be every year is better camera, faster processor and (sometimes) better battery life. The last time a truly exciting thing happened IMO was the all screen design with the X. I have an iphone 12 but I’m not really sure what it does that my XS didn’t do (yeah i know there are things but i mean for my personal circumstances). It all just feels the same. I upgrade every 2-3 years on average, maybe i just need to hold on for them for longer.

Anyone else feel the same way?
I guess that is true. We are at a point of diminishing returns. I went from Pixel 1 > iPhone X > XS Max > Pixel4XL > 12 Pro Max. Honestly other than a few AI gimmicks, I saw no difference between my Pixel 1 and Pixel 4XL. Likewise, my XS Max to 12 Pro Max, there isn't much day-to-day difference in the device itself.

I think that MOST cell phones other than the occasional gimmick are essentially the same nowawdays. It boils down to performance improvements and better software, but the average user may not notice either. I'll definitely be hanging onto my 12 Pro Max for at least 2 years now. I've learned my lesson.
 
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The average customer upgrades their iPhone because (a) their battery life is terrible (b) their screen is cracked (c) their carrier offered them an attractive trade in deal.

And they use their brand new iPhone for the same ol things: messages, map directions, alarm clock, phone, email, social media and YouTube. Frankly if they got a new shell + battery with the innards of their old phone they wouldn’t know or care any better
 
Same thread, different year...


So what? Are we not allowed to post other threads?
 
Smartphones have been around for 13 years and are a mature category. You’re simply not going to see the huge leaps like you saw in the first few years of the industry. Think about what you use your phone for. What’s really left to do but improve performance, camera quality, and battery life? The screen already covers almost the entire front of the device. And even removing the notch isn’t going to be some sort revolution in how you use the device. The phone is a tool to do things (call, message, browse, navigate, photograph, etc.). If you’re looking for the phone itself to be a source of excitement, you are likely to be disappointed.
 
The OP is right to an extent, but we all have to be realistic that all we will get each year is refinements on the previous phone (faster processor, better cameras, screen etc). Every 2-3 years we get a slight design change, and that’s pretty much it. The next big improvement we need though is new battery technology that holds more capacity to last for 3-4 days at least without degrading over time.
 
What I find interesting is that this year, Apple finally allowed (via alternate methods) more customization of iOS. You now have custom icons and widgets.

Now, there has been a collective amnesia about widgets because Apple introduced those in iOS 6, but took it away with iOS 7. They aren't new. You can just place them on the homescreen now. Something Dashboard-X (a jailbreak tweak) allowed in iOS 6.

So, two things that jailbreakers have been doing since at least iOS 6 (and custom icons before that) are now possible stock.

It's amazing how many people who would NEVER jailbreak to do this are now suddenly and totally interested in doing just because Apple itself finally offered it to them.

iPhone boring? No, users are just now getting started with what jailbreakers have been doing for years!
 
It's amazing how many people who would NEVER jailbreak to do this are now suddenly and totally interested in doing just because Apple itself finally offered it to them.

iPhone boring? No, users are just now getting started with what jailbreakers have been doing for years!
I have zero interest in widgets or custom icon packs. Even on my previous Pixel 4XL, I never found a single widget that I'd want on my home screen. Custom icon packs... I just don't care enough to waste my time.

That said, I totally get why people don't want to jailbreak just for these UI customizations. Jailbreaking comes with all sorts of security concerns, not the least of which is you constantly need to worry what updates will break your jailbreak.

Many apps (especially MDM work apps) simply won't even run on a jailbroken phone. Personally, it is too much hassle for me just to get a different shape or color icon.
 
I think the simplicity and function of iOS is the draw. Yes it might be boring to some but that would be the same with anything used as much as our iPhones are for years upon year.
 
I have zero interest in widgets or custom icon packs. Even on my previous Pixel 4XL, I never found a single widget that I'd want on my home screen. Custom icon packs... I just don't care enough to waste my time.

That said, I totally get why people don't want to jailbreak just for these UI customizations. Jailbreaking comes with all sorts of security concerns, not the least of which is you constantly need to worry what updates will break your jailbreak.

Many apps (especially MDM work apps) simply won't even run on a jailbroken phone. Personally, it is too much hassle for me just to get a different shape or color icon.
I don't deny that there can be security issues, but I do believe it's overblown. Apple of course, always seeks to discourage jailbreaking. False, misleading or inaccurate information is never addressed because security fears are one lever Apple pulls to prevent people from jailbreaking. Your device is no more or less secure on a jailbreak than a stock device.

You're correct that over time upgrades, which increase security, break jailbreaks. And if you stay on a specific version of iOS to keep your jailbreak it does make you less secure than those running the latest version of iOS. From that aspect, I can't argue with you. That said, unless you're in the habit of visiting sketchy websites, installing cracked/pirated tweaks and or abandoning your device in public places for lengthy periods of time then security really isn't an issue.

I've been jailbreaking since iOS 5 and never had an issue. My last jailbreak had me on iOS 9.0.2 for 5 years before I upgraded to iOS 14.

Back to customization. Some people want it, some don't. Apple now gives you the choice. A choice Apple wouldn't give anyone earlier than now, so jailbreakers made the choice themselves. But now that you have the choice stock, it's now your choice to do or not to do. I just find it interesting that so many people who didn't have that choice and stayed stock are all of a sudden very involved once they've been given the choice.

PS. Icons and widgets were never my only reason for jailbreaking. Before I upgraded my iPhone a few months ago I had over 200+ tweaks installed - all things Apple wouldn't allow me to do. So, I agree, jailbreaking just for icons and widgets is a poor reason.
 
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