Is it just me or Maverick(s) Sucks?

[skasol]

Thanks everybody for the feedback...

I think I will have to reinstall Maverick once & for all.



Thanks!

That may be your best bet. It works flawlessly on my system which is mainly use for photography. Lightroom 5 specifically. I shoot a 5DIII and 1DX raw files only and I have no issues opening multiple raw files etc. Good luck.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Worst OS X i ever experience windows style multitasking,youtube playback act weird,mail high cpu usage,no gpu power management and bad performance,right click sometimes do nothing,app crashes,memory run out fast,second internal drive disconnect without reason after reboot and lost all my alias.I installed it in a separate ssd on my working machines and after a week i throw it to the garbage with the ssd not to contaminate my machines.AMATEUR hour at Apple..

Ironically, I've never had better CPU utilization. I'm sitting at 99.8% free at idle now. I've never see 0.2% CPU utilization while idling before. It's always been at least 1-2% total. I don't get beach balls. I'm using two 5400 RPM internal drives with RAID0 and get 260MB/sec with them. The computer cold boots in about 20 seconds. Amateur hour? It doesn't get any better than this (well save if my 2nd monitor had a dock on it at all times too). Maybe you just have crappy hard drives?

 

[chevalier433]

Ironically, I've never had better CPU utilization. I'm sitting at 99.8% free at idle now. I've never see 0.2% CPU utilization while idling before. It's always been at least 1-2% total. I don't get beach balls. I'm using two 5400 RPM internal drives with RAID0 and get 260MB/sec with them. The computer cold boots in about 20 seconds. Amateur hour? It doesn't get any better than this (well save if my 2nd monitor had a dock on it at all times too). Maybe you just have crappy hard drives?

If you only use safari and play angry birds yeah the os is great and cpu utilization is great tooFrom all the problems i mention you stick in hard driversNo man i use top notch hard drives because i edit HD video for a living.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

If you only use safari and play angry birds yeah the os is great and cpu utilization is great tooFrom all the problems i mention you stick in hard driversNo man i use top notch hard drives because i edit HD video for a living.

Between your complaints about what a POS OSX is and your chosen career (we all know most Macs have lousy GPUs these days), it sounds like you should be using a Windows machine. The Mac just isn't for you. I can't even imagine why you would ever buy a machine that is only capable of playing Angry Birds. Hey, I'd love to keep this discussion going, but I've got to get back to playing Bioshock Infinite now....

 

[Johnchapin]

Key Shortcuts

Does Mavericks fix the keyboard shortcuts?

This is trivial. It's is on Lion and all previous: Click the black apple menu and look at the "force quit" shortcut. Where on the keyboard is a funny back slash with a minus sign? Also where is a circle with an arrow at 10 o'clock? You heavy users probably know reflexively where they are, but us lightweights have to struggle to find them each time. Yes I know you can just click on the menu item.

It should also be trivial to fix. Put on the menu choices the symbols that are actually on the keys instead of cryptic garbage.

 

[ElectricSheep]

Does Mavericks fix the keyboard shortcuts?

This is trivial. It's is on Lion and all previous: Click the black apple menu and look at the "force quit" shortcut. Where on the keyboard is a funny back slash with a minus sign? Also where is a circle with an arrow at 10 o'clock? You heavy users probably know reflexively where they are, but us lightweights have to struggle to find them each time. Yes I know you can just click on the menu item.

It should also be trivial to fix. Put on the menu choices the symbols that are actually on the keys instead of cryptic garbage.

FYI, "⎋" is the ISO symbol for the escape key. I think its from a more recent amendment (2012), so admittedly not widely known.

IMO, the 'fix' should be to correctly update the help topic of Menu Basics to explain what ⎋ means.

 

[HenryDJP]

If you only use safari and play angry birds yeah the os is great and cpu utilization is great tooFrom all the problems i mention you stick in hard driversNo man i use top notch hard drives because i edit HD video for a living.

You didn't need to insult that member. I just hate when people post nonsense like what you just posted. Just because the person isn't having problems then that automatically means all they do is web surf and play Angry Birds, seriously? Very rude.

 

[chevalier433]

You didn't need to insult that member. I just hate when people post nonsense like what you just posted. Just because the person isn't having problems then that automatically means all they do is web surf and play Angry Birds, seriously? Very rude.

Did you see his post?in insult i have answer with insult but in this case i didn't a logical assumption was.
Υ.Γ you didn't have to answer

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Did you see his post?in insult i have answer with insult but in this case i didn't a logical assumption was.
Υ.Γ you didn't have to answer

Apparently you don't know that a smile face means one is joking (about the hard drives that is). You do seem to have an issue with something on your machine causing Mavericks to not behave well. I simply haven't had that problem here at all.

 

[chevalier433]

Between your complaints about what a POS OSX is and your chosen career (we all know most Macs have lousy GPUs these days), it sounds like you should be using a Windows machine. The Mac just isn't for you. I can't even imagine why you would ever buy a machine that is only capable of playing Angry Birds. Hey, I'd love to keep this discussion going, but I've got to get back to playing Bioshock Infinite now....

Yeah you are right OS X is not for me is for you go play your game now in low settings and be proud to gaming on your mac.Apple is for consumers these awful days.

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Apparently you don't know that a smile face means one is joking (about the hard drives that is). You do seem to have an issue with something on your machine causing Mavericks to not behave well. I simply haven't had that problem here at all.

Nothing wrong with my machines i use computers 20 years i have a little experience don't you think?It depends what are you doing with your machines as i told in my previous posts.

 

[Cableaddict]

You must be kidding.

For me, Mavericks is an absolute nightmare. Lion was bad enough, but Mavericks is literally unusable:


Update alerts: We can no longer choose "no," only “later?”
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Editing photos / screenshots in Preview has become EVEN worse:

First they made all selections show up in the middle, instead of where you selected it. (around the Lion release, IIRC) Now, in lasso mode, you also can't move your pasted data around to the area it's needed, which of course makes it COMPLETELY useless.

You can’t even drag a selection bigger, in just one direction. The whole thing has to expand.

Wait, there's more! After doing basic cloning edits, then saving or exporting, you're usually left with horrible, colored dotted lines around the edits.

How can Apple possibly not be aware of this?
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Dragging stuff in-between folders is now some kind of torture. The .DS error bug is well documented, and is an INCrEDIBLY serious problem. Some user report having this problem as far back as Lion, so there is no excuse for it to still exist.

Additionally, when dragging large numbers of files and some have identical names (such as collections of pictures) there is no longer any “keep both” option. - except on rare occasions when it appears for no discernable reason. Then doesn’t apper the next time you need it. - Unbelievable.
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’View folders” options no longer work well. Selecting “Always view as icons” doesn’t last more than 1-2 folder openings.

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Writing a series of dashes doesn’t even work right: typing this: ———— expands to about 3-4X size once you are done. How could beta testers have possibly missed this?

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Safari: The bookmarks / favorites section ow has the most incredibly-poor interface one can possibly imagine:


Adding a bookmark folder now takes 3X as long.

Every time you move a few items, the window jumps back to the top!
- and the same if you have the audacity to open a bookmark so as to remember what it was. If you then use the back button, hoping to delete or move that bookmark, you get back to a CLOSED favprites-folder, and when you open it you are back to the top of the window again! THIS IS INSANITY.

Moving a large number of favorites or folders takes a really long time - as much as 30 seconds.

And STILL no way to move bookmark in-between 2 folders without it going inside one of them

And STILL no “move up / down” command

And STILL no way to have a folder open on the desktop, while you navigate the rest of your favorites.

And STILL no color-coding of favorites.

And STILL, every time you put a bookmark into a folder, that folder opens. This is INSANELY aggravating and time-wasting.
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"But other than THAT, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

For me, Mavericks is an absolute nightmare. Lion was bad enough, but Mavericks is literally unusable:


Update alerts: We can no longer choose "no," only “later?”
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Editing photos / screenshots in Preview has become EVEN worse:

Um...so your inability to turn update alerts off in preferences and using some crummy preview program that is meant to PREVIEW an image, not be a substitute for Photoshop or Aperture makes it "unusable". Right. Check. Got it.

I honestly don't do or use any of the things you talk about. Safari has always been lame, IMO. I use Firefox. I have XtraFinder that makes the Finder a lot better in any version of OSX since Snow Leopard and A Better Finder Rename is just awesome for relabeling large batches of files. Apple's built-in crap is just something I don't bother with so I guess I wouldn't notice if Preview moved something or copying a .DS file (why?) would matter to anyone on Earth (shrug).

I have noticed that multiple monitors is much more enjoyable now with menu bars on both screens and no interference from full-screen apps. Airplay (upgrading from Snow Leopard that is; Mountain Lion had it too) lets me play games on my AppleTV on the other side of the house using a PS3 with Bluetooth (built-in drivers in OSX). Message center keeps me apprised of any messages from various programs ranging from backups to downloads to new mail. I can play commercial Blu-Rays full screen on one monitor straight from a USB3 drive (thanks to VLC) while editing photos in Photoshop CS3 that I've had for ages and works fine in Mavericks on the other monitor with no issues. Unusable? Never better.

 

[mechno]

Mavericks does suck.

So the App nap feature is dumb and chokes VLC when backgrounded sometimes. And the most awful blaring mistake that I've found is that Finder displays MP3 results of a search by the Name variable and not the filename. If you've got a large music collection and happen to search for a something that's been covered by many artists, prepare for hassle.

Mostly it represents a very sloppy choice. To return searches in this fashion in iTunes, it's logical. To do so in finder is inappropriate.
C'mon Apple. Fix this!

 

[Martyimac]

Well, to my credit, at least I checked before I started a new thread asking if Maverick sucks.

Loss of local sync, save/save as still not working as it should, new pages etc revamped and THEY suck, home networking more problematic now than before, forcing users to iCloud.

Well , the list could go on and on but while I don't have a lot of significant issues, I am not happy with where Apple is taking OSX.

For those who really delve into issues like this, are we going to see more problems with OSX going forward or is Apple going to finally start listening to its user base and start fixing some problems instead of just throwing out a new version every year?

 

[cpgneinc]

Mavericks, should you or shouldn't you

I have 7 operational Macs in my office: an iMac with Snow Leopard with Windows 7, two Mac Minis, one with Snow Leopard, one with Mavericks, two late 2005 G5's, one a 2.0 dual, the other a 2.3 dual, one runs dual boot Leopard and Tiger, the other Tiger. One G4 AGP with a 1GB processor upgrade, and a 2010 series Mac Pro tower running Mountain Lion which is my main machine. I started with Apple products in 1993, with a Powerbook 160 black and white screen running OS 7.5. I think Mavericks sucks. I purposely put it in the one Mac mini to see if I would ever want to upgrade my Mac Pro tower. The answer is no. From where I stand and my experience over the years, I can see where Apple is going. They are going right to Bill Gatesville, turning your computer into an Apple owned and auto-piloted high speed shopping machine. When the big ideas are gone, as with Steve J., what's left behind starts to get micromanaged. Fortunately, there's a way out. It's the way I got rid of Microsoft in my Mac. Good ol' Microsoft, which, after a few years, couldn't even open its own files in my Mac that it created in Word v5.1a. Run a 'compatibility' check, the window that pops up says. So I did better than that. I downloaded OpenOffice based on open source software, and now use a software program that is ISO compliant: GUARANTEED to be able to open files it creates today 30 years from now and beyond, on any platform. Using Microsoft Office, drop down the save menu to see what file type you can save in. Then do the same with OpenOffice. That should open your eyes. Now that the same type of corruption is happening from Apple on the whole scale of an operating system, the path is clear: Linux, an open source OS. Is Linux the way to go? Hardware is 1/5 the cost of Apple, and it's fast, fast, fast. Check the top Geekbench scores. Which OS do you see? Ask any Android mobile user if they like their phone. Android is based on the Linux kernel. So if Apple won't let me control and use my machine that I paid for the way I want, then I will find a platform that will. Good 'ol competition. God bless the USA.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

I have 7 operational Macs in my office: an iMac with Snow Leopard with Windows 7, two Mac Minis, one with Snow Leopard, one with Mavericks, two late 2005 G5's, one a 2.0 dual, the other a 2.3 dual, one runs dual boot Leopard and Tiger, the other Tiger. One G4 AGP with a 1GB processor upgrade, and a 2010 series Mac Pro tower running Mountain Lion which is my main machine. I started with Apple products in 1993, with a Powerbook 160 black and white screen running OS 7.5. I think Mavericks sucks. I purposely put it in the one Mac mini to see if I would ever want to upgrade my Mac Pro tower. The answer is no. From where I stand and my experience over the years, I can see where Apple is going. They are going right to Bill Gatesville, turning your computer into an Apple owned and auto-piloted high speed shopping machine. When the big ideas are gone, as with Steve J., what's left behind starts to get micromanaged. Fortunately, there's a way out. It's the way I got rid of Microsoft in my Mac. Good ol' Microsoft, which, after a few years, couldn't even open its own files in my Mac that it created in Word v5.1a. Run a 'compatibility' check, the window that pops up says. So I did better than that. I downloaded OpenOffice based on open source software, and now use a software program that is ISO compliant: GUARANTEED to be able to open files it creates today 30 years from now and beyond, on any platform. Using Microsoft Office, drop down the save menu to see what file type you can save in. Then do the same with OpenOffice. That should open your eyes. Now that the same type of corruption is happening from Apple on the whole scale of an operating system, the path is clear: Linux, an open source OS. Is Linux the way to go? Hardware is 1/5 the cost of Apple, and it's fast, fast, fast. Check the top Geekbench scores. Which OS do you see? Ask any Android mobile user if they like their phone. Android is based on the Linux kernel. So if Apple won't let me control and use my machine that I paid for the way I want, then I will find a platform that will. Good 'ol competition. God bless the USA.

OK, that was tough to read given the layout/formatting or rather the lack thereof. Hey, it's very Linux-like, though in its messiness, though.

Seriously, WTF does Linux have to do with anything? Fast fast fast? Fast what? If you have fast hardware, OSX is fast. I've used at least a half dozen Linux distributions over the years and it has improved over the past decade, but my god I would hope so. It was pretty awful to use a decade ago unless you actually enjoyed spending your time typing long command line sets of information into VI or Emacs for a dozen settings files to get anything done. Now you have "repositories" for a load of competing packaging formats with "ease of use" only if you get your software from these repositories and that means depending on someone else to put things you actually want up there in a timely fashion. Otherwise, you are back to either looking for a compatible distribution by an author that gives a crap or compiling it yourself (which is fun fun fun if you're a geek with 4 months off for the summer between classes; otherwise it's a drag and SLOW SLOW SLOW.

Yeah, Linux is great if you don't do anything but basic email and web browsing and don't need pesky things like up-to-date Flash support or a legal DVD player. But hey, if you have Ubuntu, you MIGHT be able to us Steam to play a bunch of crappy Indie games! If you don't have Ubuntu, forget about it. And frankly now that Ubuntu has shunned KDE in favor of god-awful Gnome 3, I wouldn't want to use it.

Now what was that? Fast? To do what, exactly? Boot up to the command line? Yeah, that IS fast on Linux. You might as well too since there really isn't anything to do in Linux anyway unless you enjoy coding. You can bring up an iTunes look-alike that is just utterly SAD by comparison and try to sync an iPod or something to it with some hacks, but honestly, WTF is the point? But I can run iTunes V5.1 with Wine! Yeah baby!

Back to OSX. So Mavericks "sucks" because it's commercialized? How so? Because Apple added an "App Store" for your convenience and iTunes features a music store for the same? Who's making you buy your apps or music from them? The last time I checked I could buy games or music from Amazon, Steam and others or just get it direct from an author's web site. And I don't have to worry about whether that app will work on my flavor of OSX or not or hope some two-bit repository has an update for Firefox since all the versions that come with typical distributions have disabled any ability for Firefox to update itself (you can get one that does, but it's a little more work than just clicking on a DMG file and dragging the icon into Applications).

I mean honestly, I don't see ONE complaint listed about Mavericks in your post (you use a Microsoft Office comparison for some freaking reason. WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING?) other than you think they're turning into a shopping machine. Again, where is this? iTunes has come with OSX from the beginning (dating back to OS9 as it were) and the App Store has been around since Snow Leopard. I fail to see any other "shopping" Apps with OSX. And since when does a Bill Gates version (or later even) of Windows push shopping apps? I must have missed that.... And Android DOESN'T have a shopping app center? Bullcrap. Of course it does.

What Mavericks DOES offer is VASTLY IMPROVED multi-monitor support and OpenGL 4.0. Those alone were worth upgrading from Snow Leopard on my MBP and Mountain Lion on my Mini. Yeah, XBMC "Frodo" didn't work right away (now fixed in 12.3 Frodo), although "Eden" did and it now supports full-screen properly on one monitor while not screwing with what you're doing on the other one (big problem in any version of OSX prior to Mavericks; in fact, it was unavoidable except to use a "window" mode instead.

 

[HenryDJP]

I have 7 operational Macs in my office: an iMac with Snow Leopard with Windows 7, two Mac Minis, one with Snow Leopard, one with Mavericks, two late 2005 G5's, one a 2.0 dual, the other a 2.3 dual, one runs dual boot Leopard and Tiger, the other Tiger. One G4 AGP with a 1GB processor upgrade, and a 2010 series Mac Pro tower running Mountain Lion which is my main machine. I started with Apple products in 1993, with a Powerbook 160 black and white screen running OS 7.5. I think Mavericks sucks. I purposely put it in the one Mac mini to see if I would ever want to upgrade my Mac Pro tower. The answer is no. From where I stand and my experience over the years, I can see where Apple is going. They are going right to Bill Gatesville, turning your computer into an Apple owned and auto-piloted high speed shopping machine. When the big ideas are gone, as with Steve J., what's left behind starts to get micromanaged. Fortunately, there's a way out. It's the way I got rid of Microsoft in my Mac. Good ol' Microsoft, which, after a few years, couldn't even open its own files in my Mac that it created in Word v5.1a. Run a 'compatibility' check, the window that pops up says. So I did better than that. I downloaded OpenOffice based on open source software, and now use a software program that is ISO compliant: GUARANTEED to be able to open files it creates today 30 years from now and beyond, on any platform. Using Microsoft Office, drop down the save menu to see what file type you can save in. Then do the same with OpenOffice. That should open your eyes. Now that the same type of corruption is happening from Apple on the whole scale of an operating system, the path is clear: Linux, an open source OS. Is Linux the way to go? Hardware is 1/5 the cost of Apple, and it's fast, fast, fast. Check the top Geekbench scores. Which OS do you see? Ask any Android mobile user if they like their phone. Android is based on the Linux kernel. So if Apple won't let me control and use my machine that I paid for the way I want, then I will find a platform that will. Good 'ol competition. God bless the USA.

Reading all of that condensed text. Should I or shouldn't I? Good thing I chose not to.

 

[dylin]

So after reading all this, does that mean the average user such will not appreciate the upgrade?

 

[smirking]

So after reading all this, does that mean the average user such will not appreciate the upgrade?

I actually like the upgrade quite a bit minus the stability and performance problems. Normally I don't see any reason to hurry up and upgrade, but I liked the features enough that I went for it the first week of availability.

I've since replaced my MBP hard drive with a Samsung SSD and most of my performance and stability issues are no more! Then again maybe they finally started fixing stuff.

 

[maflynn]

So after reading all this, does that mean the average user such will not appreciate the upgrade?

I've stated this before, I think Mavericks is one of the more stable .0 upgrades. With 10.9.1 its better and I believe that 10.9.2 is in beta. For the average user, if there are features that Mavericks has they want then yeah its a good upgrade. If those features don't really mean much then there is no reason to upgrade.

 

[dylin]

I actually like the upgrade quite a bit minus the stability and performance problems. Normally I don't see any reason to hurry up and upgrade, but I liked the features enough that I went for it the first week of availability.

I've since replaced my MBP hard drive with a Samsung SSD and most of my performance and stability issues are no more! Then again maybe they finally started fixing stuff.

I've stated this before, I think Mavericks is one of the more stable .0 upgrades. With 10.9.1 its better and I believe that 10.9.2 is in beta. For the average user, if there are features that Mavericks has they want then yeah its a good upgrade. If those features don't really mean much then there is no reason to upgrade.

Thanks guys for the responses. I already made a bootable USB for a fresh install and backed up all my files.

I'll probably go and do the install sometime this week. Are they any issues or features that really make you dislike or really love mavericks?

 

[propal2]

So after reading all this, does that mean the average user such will not appreciate the upgrade?

DONT (up?)grade! u will regret it!! those lovers don't want to see the elephant.... but its big and the name is Maverick! I mean it! it really sucks! in so many ways!

 

[dylin]

DONT (up?)grade! u will regret it!! those lovers don't want to see the elephant.... but its big and the name is Maverick! I mean it! it really sucks! in so many ways!

No explanation on why it sucks.

I guess I should go with what he says.








Saw join date,

not sure if serious, or trolling.

 

[twintin]

So after reading all this, does that mean the average user such will not appreciate the upgrade?

Can't speak for others. But I'm an average user and appreciated the upgrade.

 

[alpez]

Worst OS X i ever experience windows style multitasking,youtube playback act weird,mail high cpu usage,no gpu power management and bad performance,right click sometimes do nothing,app crashes,memory run out fast,second internal drive disconnect without reason after reboot and lost all my alias.I installed it in a separate ssd on my working machines and after a week i throw it to the garbage with the ssd not to contaminate my machines.AMATEUR hour at Apple..

I agree.

Running ex. Handbrake in background makes Finder useless ... sooo slooow ... now it seems like wasted money buing a brand new macmini w 10.9

Compared with my old macmini running 10.6 it's horrible (doing the same thing) finder is still snappy.

Anyone know what the diff is, seem that apple put finder on "nice" prio



/Alpez