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iPhone 11 Pro Is Marques Brownlee right?
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Just because they have pro equipment doesn’t mean they always have it with them...
Depends on your definition of a professional. Pro covers a wide range of people, but I think you’d be surprised. The 4K quality on the iPhone at that price point is a very attractive offering for many.
The guy is fair without being harsh to the point of written off by Apple which is a delicate balance
Amazing production quality too
I respect the guy
Amazing production quality too
I respect the guy
Huh? More often than not. That’s the whole point.
Everyone here knows there’s nothing ‘Pro’ about an iPhone, even if Apple says it is. For years, their marketing has always been the best, because they know how to sell the customer the product, but the price points have been suffocating Apple and the consumer doesn’t care what Pro stands for one way or the other. Either way, Apple can’t fool anyone, no matter what moniker they choose.
It’s still not a great point by the fact that a Pro already goes prepared with the needed gear for the type of job.
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Yet still not a Pro phone, there’s no thing as Pro phones, it’s all marketing. Just like the MBP, what do they have of Pro? Nothing. It’s simply to create an illusion in peoples heads in order to make the product more expensive, thinking you’ve purchased something special because of the name.
Not if he comes upon something unexpected. Pros don't carry their pro gear with them every time they leave the house.
The Pro name feels weird to me too because, features lacking aside as Brownlee pointed out, it almost feels like they’ve let their flagship take the backseat and alienated people who thought $1000 for a phone was a normal thing to be doing despite the price because of apple’s big push for that not too long ago
At the same time I think it makes sense to not make it 11R and get rid of the R moniker into just 11 because it felt like they were thinking XR was going to take the backseat last year with ‘low’ ppi initial backlash (which prompted Schiller to reply to someones email saying ppi doesn’t tel the full story and to take a look at it for one self to decide more or less, which I thought was pretty fair( though he’s obviously biased, to not really at all come across culty or intolerant of expected dissent from the public) delayed release and still a pricy phone but not compared to xs/max , when it ended up crushing XS/max sales wise. To make matters weirder, they only
Offer a white and black silicone 11 cases. If 11 is the main phone they’re focusing on this go round as they spent so much time on during the keynote as well, why not actually deck out the accessories? Maybe that’s Part of the plan to upsell you on the pro is more accessory cases? Not sure about anything anymore
Just a weird turn for all the X-cycle media hype that made everyone feel like that’s the phone everyone and their grandma’s getting / the new vision, which is crazy to think was two years ago now.
The biggest evidence of Apple not making any sense is the iPad lineup. What a hot mess of wide variety offerings for no real reason anymore. 7.9/9.7/10.2/10.5/11/12.9, releasing a new iPad with 3 generations old chip, weird accessory compatibility, usb-c/lightning infidelity, headphone jack offerings, absurdly tight knit pricing tiers, faceID devices heavily outnumbered by “new” ones being released with touchID again - mini5 (which im glad they did I still dig the old headphone jack lightning touchID style) and this 10.2 etc etc
Yes we now have six ipad screen sizes in circulation and five being sold as new as far as I can tell. Is that really necessary?
At the same time I think it makes sense to not make it 11R and get rid of the R moniker into just 11 because it felt like they were thinking XR was going to take the backseat last year with ‘low’ ppi initial backlash (which prompted Schiller to reply to someones email saying ppi doesn’t tel the full story and to take a look at it for one self to decide more or less, which I thought was pretty fair( though he’s obviously biased, to not really at all come across culty or intolerant of expected dissent from the public) delayed release and still a pricy phone but not compared to xs/max , when it ended up crushing XS/max sales wise. To make matters weirder, they only
Offer a white and black silicone 11 cases. If 11 is the main phone they’re focusing on this go round as they spent so much time on during the keynote as well, why not actually deck out the accessories? Maybe that’s Part of the plan to upsell you on the pro is more accessory cases? Not sure about anything anymore
Just a weird turn for all the X-cycle media hype that made everyone feel like that’s the phone everyone and their grandma’s getting / the new vision, which is crazy to think was two years ago now.
The biggest evidence of Apple not making any sense is the iPad lineup. What a hot mess of wide variety offerings for no real reason anymore. 7.9/9.7/10.2/10.5/11/12.9, releasing a new iPad with 3 generations old chip, weird accessory compatibility, usb-c/lightning infidelity, headphone jack offerings, absurdly tight knit pricing tiers, faceID devices heavily outnumbered by “new” ones being released with touchID again - mini5 (which im glad they did I still dig the old headphone jack lightning touchID style) and this 10.2 etc etc
Yes we now have six ipad screen sizes in circulation and five being sold as new as far as I can tell. Is that really necessary?
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So you’re going to use a phone for that instead? Have you ever tried to capture a video on your iPhone and send it to your Mac? It’s like a pixel and motion blur party. There’s no pro in that. No phone will always be able to top professional cameras and call it “Pro”.
Lol I just realized and corrected
I was positive I was missing another. Even more proof what a mess!
Not long ago at all they did. Up until yesterday?
I’ll bet many retailers still have them prominently on sale too. And Apple refurbs on their site (too lazy to check)
I have a slightly different tangent.
Yesterday I really wanted the Pro. I use the camera a lot and was thinking if I’m going to get a new phone I might as well top up the extra and get the Pro.
But on further comparison it is so similar to the 11 it didn’t have enough pull factor so it’s hard to justify the premium. The price is a huge push factor. I don’t want to spend money on 256GB.
The silliest thing tipped me back to the 11. We know the Pro was touted as more water resistant at 4m deep for 30 mins instead of 2m, but I’m not going to risk this phone this way. For the difference I can get a GoPro to do actual underwater stuff.
Yesterday I really wanted the Pro. I use the camera a lot and was thinking if I’m going to get a new phone I might as well top up the extra and get the Pro.
But on further comparison it is so similar to the 11 it didn’t have enough pull factor so it’s hard to justify the premium. The price is a huge push factor. I don’t want to spend money on 256GB.
The silliest thing tipped me back to the 11. We know the Pro was touted as more water resistant at 4m deep for 30 mins instead of 2m, but I’m not going to risk this phone this way. For the difference I can get a GoPro to do actual underwater stuff.
Well, sure, but I just meant that they replaced the 9.7 with the 10.2. Kinda weird that they didn’t just go with 10.5”.
What marketing? I feel like most users don’t even know it exists, or forget about it and never use it.
I use it every day, so I’m annoyed by its removal. Hopefully I get used to the haptic touch instead.
Yeah in any case, five screen sizes with the narrowest of pricing tiers and many the narrowest of screen size differences is in my
opinion patently absurd. Death by options. Throw a dart on the board and wherever it lands, there’s your iPad!
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Wait a minute. You mean to tell me companies use marketing to make decisions about what to name their products and how to sell them?! No way.
The idea that anyone is on their smartphone professionally, even if that may be the case with the ever increasing utility for artists, journalists, businessmen, etc. it has to offer... just feels comical and like we’re slipping into normalizing hedonistic consumerism.
Just like many people are professionally on their MacBook Pro to look trendy at a coffee shop and fire off iMessages and look at their Instagram and Facebook. But the pro laptop moniker is something that’s so old it doesn’t feel weird / laptops are by nature more plausible to be professionally catered than a phone since most people are stuffed in offices and that’s what you use to get paid is a computer
A name wouldn’t turn me off from a product alone tho
Just like many people are professionally on their MacBook Pro to look trendy at a coffee shop and fire off iMessages and look at their Instagram and Facebook. But the pro laptop moniker is something that’s so old it doesn’t feel weird / laptops are by nature more plausible to be professionally catered than a phone since most people are stuffed in offices and that’s what you use to get paid is a computer
A name wouldn’t turn me off from a product alone tho
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It’s hard to find the perfect balance between too many options and not enough options. And that balance keeps changing all the time based on what the consumer wants. The 10.2 is cheaper to make, Apple still kept the price point while making the device significantly better than the 9.7. Everybody wins.
I never said that it would. However, if a phone is all you have, and you need the shot, you use it.
You’d think-
More choices also makes you less confident of your purchase, for most people. Should read the Paradox of Choice it’s short and fascinating. The tl;dr is People are happier with their decisions when there are fewer. It’s been observed in many situations. They eliminate the “what if” factor if they don’t have hundreds to sift through. There’s a point of regression+ It’s a psychological thing
When there was only one iPhone you were as confident as everyone else as long as On the latest and greatest . You had no other option but to get that model. Now it’s should I upsize, downsize, stay the same size? What about color? How about number of cameras? New X/notch style or the still offered Touch ID bezel old school style? For many it’s an ever changing situation year over year. This predicament is a win for Apple for sure. The consumer , depends.
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Right. But I think the naming scheme provides some differentiation in the product line and I expect it to stay this way for a while. Of course the Pro line will continue adding bigger features over the year so that offering will get stronger. I fully expect next year to see proMotion 120hz displays, probably usb-c, pencil support, bigger screens etc.
Actually, this is what you said below. You inferred ‘Pros’ don’t carry their Pro gear when they leave the house, a smart phone isn’t comparable to a PROfessional camera. What you posted is _not_ mutually exclusive.