I said, "Pros don't carry their pro gear with them every time they leave the house."
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I said, "Pros don't carry their pro gear with them every time they leave the house."
"Every time..."
I don’t completely disagree with you, but I do think the consumer culture has changed since those early iPhone days. And even then you had people complaining about not having choice. Again, a hard balance to find.
I think frankly to a large extent they had no option but to offer more screen sizes because of the market. They’ve been reactionary in all sorts of ways to the market with iPhone for years. iPhone is a fantastic product but reactionary is a large way id describe their stuff. They straight up stole a few ideas from android back in the day, and now they steal ideas from jailbreak community more frequently on software side. Just now getting dark mode 2 years after shipping an OLED iPhone is insanity. Anyways,
To name just a few: OLED (again). smaller bezels. Night mode camera. Wireless charging (how long did that take and still no AirPower, and no inductive charging on this one). Bigger screens. Multiple cameras (Apple isn’t the first with three, pixel4 is gonna have 3 also creepy hop skip between the two companies imo)
If rumored/ logical progression is true other reactionary hardware features::, touchID embedded display in next years or Soon. usb-c. No notch. Stylus support.
I don’t really feel the same about iPad as wild as they went with it that it was needed from a market perspective (although they understand business and education needs well, so maybe it being a cluster is huge for
Those people, dunno) or that the consumer really hardcore benefits from that many
A single 4” model phone wasn’t cutting it sales wise anymore by 2013 and 5s winding down, hence the 4.7 and 5.5 with the 6/6+ as the start of real shakeup, beyond a 0.5” vertical add on from a phone model size spanning 2007-2011. That was the biggest deal breaker for people at that time is they wanted a big phone like all the androids. Many people straight up can’t see anything on a device that small (love my One-handable SE though)
I’m just saying from a consumer psychological perspective on average it’s actually putting consumers through their paces and causing long term dissatisfactions with their choice. It’s helping to encourage phone switch up as a fetish. And it’s obviously lucrative for Apple
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I lol'd at 209 meetings about this internally.
Yeah to get a fast charger out of the box is just bananas (coming from apple)
It probably tore impressive bean counter Tim apart on the inside to cave
To the usb-c to lightning and 18w combo in box with the pro iPhones
He probably went “thermonuclear” with the accounting department, the same way Jobs did about Android “copying” all his stuff
A lot of folks aren’t pros but want the ability to make cool videos without needing to invest in ridiculously expensive gear. This is who Apple is aiming at.
A videographer friend of mine has sold multiple iPhone-shot cuts to clients. Granted they didn’t know it was iPhone footage (but that almost bolsters the point). And not because he was too lazy to carry around the big, expensive equipment. But sometimes you need to be discrete and keep a low profile.
You’re probably not filming a studio-led feature on an iPhone, but there’s a ton of pro use cases where it’s really, really good.
Steven Soderbergh shot Unsane entirely on an iPhone 7 using FiLMiC Pro. Not a major studio film, but still...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7153766/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1
Exactly this, they’re correcting a problem they created for themselves with the iPhone X release and then compounded with the meaningless XR branding which nobody knew what to do with.
It really doesn’t matter whether they call the upper tier Pro or some other term, the point is to re-establish the iPhone 11 as the current, main iphone at an affordable entry level for most people, and emphasise the upper tier as a premium option on top, not the default.
I think the following are missing for this to become a "Pro" phone...
With this I'd say many people could use their phone as a computer for their daily excel, word workloads.
A display that features 120hz refesh rate like the iPad Pro or some LG OLED 2019 models.
- 120hz ProMotion Display
- Apple Pencil Support
- A big telephoto lens
- USB C (to read cards and what not.. I mean come on?)
- Connect to a monitor USB-C therefore have access to Mac OS ARM or HDMI connection showing the screen..
With this I'd say many people could use their phone as a computer for their daily excel, word workloads.
Hey am I the only person who does not know what a 'pro-motion' display is
Off to Google I go
A display that features 120hz refesh rate like the iPad Pro or some LG OLED 2019 models.
I can see him snapping his glasses in half, in a fit of rage, and yelling at the entire team
“ENOUGH! I’VE HAD IT WITH THE INNOVATION. NEW COLOR AND CHARGER AND NOTHING ELSE!”
Again... I don’t see any “Pro” use case for the Apple Pencil on a screen that small, even though I seem to be the target audience (designer). And without the Apple Pencil there also is no need for a 120Hz display.
A big telephoto lens certainly would help out, would be willing to pay extra anytime...
USB C... not a big fan off. I hate it on my iPad Pro, such an inconvenient port. Id take lighting with better transfer rates anyday, which would also enable screen output. But yeah, the data transfer rates on the iPhone I/O definitely need some boost...
It's not even the data rates but you could connect your iPhone to a dongle to read SD Cards/connect via monitor/audio out and so many other possibilities...
Look I have everything USB-C including my MacBook Pro it would be really nice to bring only one cable on the trips. or wherever I go.
The only place I use USB-A is in the car for CarPlay.
Pro naming is a bit gimmicky, it doesn't have much this year to justify it. The phone is lacking 5G that it's competitors have, so the phone is already out of date.
5G next year and it'll be more 'future proof' ie. you'll be happy with your hugely expensive phone purchase for a few years. Nothing worse than buying tech that's missing the latest development.
This year's a dud for me but next year will be excellent.
5G next year and it'll be more 'future proof' ie. you'll be happy with your hugely expensive phone purchase for a few years. Nothing worse than buying tech that's missing the latest development.
This year's a dud for me but next year will be excellent.
Like a Pro
I make a call like a Pro
I surf the web like a Pro
I answer the emails like a Pro
I'm installing Apps like a Pro
I like posts like a Pro
I'm posting Instagram photos
Well
Like a Pro
I make a call like a Pro
I surf the web like a Pro
I answer the emails like a Pro
I'm installing Apps like a Pro
I like posts like a Pro
I'm posting Instagram photos
Well
Like a Pro
No. They use marketing in order to sell them to you in the most ridiculous way.
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Lol? Did you even see the price of the phone?
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Ok, so a crazy expensive “Pro” phone is an accessory for crazy expensive gear. Got it.
No true pro is going to take you serious. That’s like saying for a music producer, if they don’t bring their DAW, they can just use their Pro iPhone with GarageBand. LOL.
I can't really believe people are getting upset about the use of "Pro". It's always been an utterly meaningless term used as shorthand for premium. The idea that you couldn't possibly be a "professional" and produce work from a non-pro macbook or mac has always been ridiculous, as is the notion that those who do buy and use pro variants are inherently professional in nature, of course they're not. I have a Macbook Pro and an iPad Pro, they're both home machines and aren't used in any professional capacity whatsoever, I chose them because I preferred their specs that's all.
In Apple marketing language "Pro" simply means "Better". It's always been that way. It's that way now with the iPhone. Get over it.
In Apple marketing language "Pro" simply means "Better". It's always been that way. It's that way now with the iPhone. Get over it.
I’m thinking it’s you who hasn’t the seen the price tags on professional photography and film gear if you’re comparing iPhone prices with pro gear prices.
What “pro” gear is a thousand bucks going to get me? An entry level DSLR and perhaps a 50mm 1.8 prime lens? A soccer mom kit, basically.
I’m not comparing the price of the phone to gear, simply no pro is going to spend $1200 on a phone that calls itself pro as an accessory for their real gear.
I agree to a certain extent.
Apple of late, are pushing products out and relabelling - simply to dramatically increase the average selling price of their products
If the X (in particular), or XS or even 8 plus had never been released, then today, while the 11 PRO's would have been their top-end product. it would have started at say £749, rather than £1050. You also see that by the immediate discontinuation of the prior year premium model (X and XS)
and a more budget friendly 11 or XR would have started at £399.
Same with the ipad pro's....
Remember when the newly-released iphone 5s or 6's started at circa £500
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Anyone who listens to Apple centric podcasts would know that Pro is just a marketing name. Both Jason Snell and John Gruber have said “pro” in Apple speak means the most expensive in a line up not necessarily for professionals. In some cases like the iMac Pro and Mac Pro (and perhaps MacBook Pro), pro actually does equate to professional use. With the iPhone it’s just these are the best/most expensive in our lineup.
As I said in a previous post I really do think there’s something to Apple not wanting to create a pro model that is so much better than the regular model that it makes the regular model look way inferior. Apple will be totally fine with the iPhone 11 being thought of as the best value for money and being the best seller in the lineup. It’s also entirely possible that the names this year are to finally start to get iPhone naming conventions on the right path. The iPhone Pro reminds me of the first iPad Pro. Better than the regular iPad but not leaps and bounds better.
As I said in a previous post I really do think there’s something to Apple not wanting to create a pro model that is so much better than the regular model that it makes the regular model look way inferior. Apple will be totally fine with the iPhone 11 being thought of as the best value for money and being the best seller in the lineup. It’s also entirely possible that the names this year are to finally start to get iPhone naming conventions on the right path. The iPhone Pro reminds me of the first iPad Pro. Better than the regular iPad but not leaps and bounds better.
Anyone who buys this years 'pro' iPhone is going to be kicking themselves next year when we see a REAL upgrade. Well, apart from the nutters who justify shelling out 1k+ EVERY year. You've all seen them "just picked up six 512gb max models for me, the wife, the kids, and the neighbour!"