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Shame, shame on the USA. ☹️ It’s so embarrassing.
Correct, the U.S. should have continued to allow its products be tariffed and intellectual property stolen in China and elsewhere while allowing imports from those same nation states to flow in, sucking USD out of the domestic market without any coming back in return.

The benefit of this was losing workers in the U.S. and allowing for more deficit spending via exportation of inflation with the crazy amounts of QE and printing.
 
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Correct, the U.S. should have continued to allow its products be tariffed and intellectual property stolen in China and elsewhere while allowing imports from those same nation states to flow in, sucking USD out of the domestic market without any coming back in return.

The benefit of this was losing workers in the U.S. and allowing for more deficit spending via exportation of inflation with the crazy amounts of QE and printing.
The USA could have negotiated for free trade, but instead the President chose the path of a trade war.
 
apple as a company according to figures make double the amount in revenue worldwide than in the USA so if $100 dollars is slapped on every device then that makes up a lot of that additional tariff costs & they will probably absorb the small amount that is left over.

You have just done the calculation there is no way they will sell iPhones at that price in the USA & they will not absorb the full charge because then the money would fully come out of profits & that’s not going to happen
Okay, so you can't actually show calculations to back up what you're claiming, it's just pure assertions, good to know.

I think everyone needs to calm down. These tariffs are only temporary and will lead to other countries reducing or eliminating their tariffs on our exports. This will be a good thing for us in the long run as we will, and already are, bring more manufacturing here to the US which helps us all. Shame on anyone fearmongering about this.
Except the tariffs are not actually based on the tariffs other countries have on US goods, they're based on an incredibly dumb formula that these idiots got from ChatGPT. The actual thing that's happening is that the US's major trading partners are doing retaliatory tariffs. Also, even if the theory that they'll eventually lead to onshoring of existing manufacturing is correct (and it's very doubtful for many reasons), the only way they could do that is if they are not temporary.

I think you miss my last point which is that manufacturing in Canada would remove any tariff for Apple selling to the rest of the world. I don't know the balance of sales between the US and all other countries and my point assumes Canada welcomes Apple with open arms and does not apply tariffs themselves. From the UK, I'm not concerned about raised costs for US citizens - apparently it's what they voted for!
Tariffs are import taxes based on where goods originate from. Apple doesn't have to worry about retaliatory tariffs against the US from other countries, as the overwhelming majority of products they produce are not made in the US to begin with.

It might only last a month or so but that’s not how politicians speak
So he will say for example look at how well the economy is doing under me than the previous guy because it will show an increase in spending compared with previous months.
Then with the lay offs all they will say is look at the money we have saved for you America people.
Yes, this is the kind of idiotic stuff Trump might say, but it obviously doesn't actually make it good.

Because a problem shared is a problem halved.


It is asinine until you realise that Apple isn't targetting the most price-sensitive part of the market. People have soaked up Apple's price hikes before with a shrug and carried on buying. Apple can't go crazy but a 10-20% uplift isn't out of the question. It might not manifest itself so visibly outside of the US market if the dollar takes a visible dip, which I don't think this administration would be averse to: cheaper exports, dearer imports and easing the burden on servicing the national debt.
Except that not only has nobody seemingly done the calculations to show that it'd only be a 10-20% uplift around the world when they have to deal with a 43% increase in costs in the US, but that also assumes that their competitors will all do the same, plus that consumers outside the US won't be angry at being made to literally pay for Trump's ignorance about trade and taxes.

21% from China, prior to 2025.
Where are you getting this from?

And now this:

“BREAKING:
I Googled your specific quote and all I can find is a bunch of random social media posts from right wingers, nothing from any actual news source that actually confirms what you're claiming here.

Taiwan has agreed to drop ALL tariffs on the United States
No, Taiwan has not done this. Also, Taiwan's security against the threat of invasion from China, relies on keeping America happy, which will influence things, and quite notably, the tariffs Trump applied don't actually apply to its major semiconductor industry.

joining India, Israel, Vietnam, and Cambodia, who also intend to zero out their tariffs
Reports that some countries might be considering this, is not the same as them actually having done so. Even if they did, US exports to these countries combined ($321 billion), represent just 5.35% of US exports.

In contrast, exports to the EU in 2024 were $370.2 billion, Canada $349.4 billion, Mexico $334 billion, and China $143.5 billion. All but Mexico, have already imposed retaliatory tariffs.

European Union has just offered ZERO for ZERO tariffs with the United States. Well over 50 countries have called to negotiate with Trump so far.”
The EU reportedly offered this on just specific goods, weeks ago. Countries calling to negotiate isn't somehow a sign that what Trump is doing is good, or that it's going to work out well for the US.

It seems way too many suffer their own hatred of Trump to the extent they become absolutely hyperbolic in their rhetoric.
Very bad and stupid things are in fact, very bad and stupid. The bigger issue here is more that being a Trump fan requires ignoring reality to such a comprehensive extent. That's why you have to make claims that aren't supported by actual evidence.
 
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Yep. All the whining and stupid click bait while the situation is changing daily. Sometimes hourly. Many countries are already folding under the pressure! Instead of worrying about the next iPhone people should be loading up on massively discounted Apple stock.

When the ship sinks, the person who makes the cheekiest remarks for the longest time is the one who makes the cheekiest remarks for the longest time. And then sinks too.

Load up, boy!
 
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21% from China, prior to 2025. And now this:

“BREAKING: Taiwan has agreed to drop ALL tariffs on the United States, joining India, Israel, Vietnam, and Cambodia, who also intend to zero out their tariffs


European Union has just offered ZERO for ZERO tariffs with the United States. Well over 50 countries have called to negotiate with Trump so far.”

It seems way too many suffer their own hatred of Trump to the extent they become absolutely hyperbolic in their rhetoric.
So the jobs aren't going back to America after all?
 
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It's the "current thing" to be outraged about, that's for sure. I get confused by all the "current things" we are supposed to be outraged over.

Because he promised to make these companies more money
Hence the tariffs means price increases so then consumers pay more
That's a GREAT way to make more money!

Raise the cost of your product, driving off customers, and then shake down the manufacturer for the price increases they are forced to make, or eat part of the increase and shrink your profit margin.

That's so "Business Friendly", if your business is disorganized crime.
 
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I agree with you. I wasn’t kidding when I said this is all so embarrassing. ☹️ I am mortified by what my country is doing.

Likewise, I am embarrassed and disgusted by what this "President" is doing to this country. Worse now is his tyranny is invading my hobbies like tech and gaming, which was where I would take my mind off the real world. I am beyond pissed that now I might not be able to afford to upgrade my iPhone 15 pro max to the iPhone 17 this Fall, but I also can't pre-order the Nintendo Switch 2, and the price will likely increase as well because of the dictator's dumb tariffs.
 
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In Switzerland it costs 1,249 for the 16PM
So my example is this if the price is increased in the USA by $100 dollars then the Swiss model would then go up to 1,349 & that is how US customers will not feel the full force of the tariffs on iPhones

I don’t see any evidence that Apple has any interest in hiding the tariff tax on Americans. Do you?
I wonder if they are going to do the same with the Trump duties…

I hope they do. Trump campaigned on tariffs not raising prices (lying, since it’s impossible) and now says he can’t guarantee it.

People have soaked up Apple's price hikes before with a shrug and carried on buying.

Outside the US? People claim a similar thing about specific products sold in the US, and repeatedly prove them wrong with citations and basic math.
I’m not saying they don’t exist, just that no one has pointed to one yet.

21% from China, prior to 2025. And now this:

Yes, and our tariffs on China have been similarly high for a long time. China is not an economic ally, and is in fact a country we’ve been at economic war with for decades.

“BREAKING: Taiwan has agreed to drop ALL tariffs on the United States, joining India, Israel, Vietnam, and Cambodia, who also intend to zero out their tariffs

You failed to answer the question, which was THEIR tariffs on the US. Them offering zero tariffs is only a “win” if their tariffs were against ALL imports. You need to bring recipes.

European Union has just offered ZERO for ZERO tariffs with the United States. Well over 50 countries have called to negotiate with Trump so far.”

Context is important. Before this trade war EU tariffs on the US averaged 5.3%, and were only against specific products to protect their own national products.
At the same time, the US’s tariffs on the EU averaged 6.2%, and were also targeted for the same reasons.
So please explain what Trump is attempting to do with these tariffs?

It seems way too many suffer their own hatred of Trump to the extent they become absolutely hyperbolic in their rhetoric.

So you are repeating Trump talking points with no citations. The people replying to you are bringing citations from lots of varied sources. If it makes you feel good to attack our rhetoric, whatever.

Yep. All the whining and stupid click bait while the situation is changing daily. Sometimes hourly. Many countries are already folding under the pressure! Instead of worrying about the next iPhone people should be loading up on massively discounted Apple stock.

1. Generally we’re all discussing the wider economic war Trump is waging on allies. Not the iPhone.
2. Do you believe the people that are anti tariffs do not have greater concerns that are voiced in arenas that aren’t *checks notes* a forum for Apple products? Interesting.

Is asking the pro Trump people to bring sources too big of an ask? Maybe they have good points, but when I search the only source I can find for most of them is Trump’s mouth.
 
These tariffs aren’t reciprocal.

Trump and his administration are bull***tting everyone.
The tariffs aren’t based on other countries tariffs for U.S. imports.
Right. So it’s just random tariff targeting the world except Russia. But the reciprocal concept of tit to tat is real: you have tariff on us? Then we shall have high tariff on you.
 
Yep. All the whining and stupid click bait while the situation is changing daily. Sometimes hourly. Many countries are already folding under the pressure! Instead of worrying about the next iPhone people should be loading up on massively discounted Apple stock.
They are not “folding under pressure”. They are acting proactively to avoid the pressure. That’s a massive difference. But I see you don see it that way, which is fair I guess. As for “massively discounted Apple stock”? What world are you living in right now? The drop is only some 18%, not 80% or higher.
 
Is asking the pro Trump people to bring sources too big of an ask? Maybe they have good points, but when I search the only source I can find for most of them is Trump’s mouth.
It is a big ask because they have no sources, only imagination and dreams that will never come true. Trump is their king and god, and that’s all that matters for them. I guess if they manages to not needing to eat that’s gonna be great.
 
Is asking the pro Trump people to bring sources too big of an ask? Maybe they have good points, but when I search the only source I can find for most of them is Trump’s mouth.
Trump has three consistent sources:
1. "People are saying..."
2. "Big, Strong Men with tears running down their face, said to me, Sir....."
3. The Southern end of his Alimentary Canal, where all of his talking points ultimately come from.
 
Factually incorrect. The EU offered zero for zero on 19 February. Trump refused. They are not offering it now.

The problem with 0 for 0 is some large US companies would not want that. Car manufacturers would lose the chicken tax on small trucks, opening up the market for cheaper small trucks to be imported, for example. Steel producers would be faced with low cost competitors. In such cases, they’d face competition in the US but not be competitive globally so exporting is not viable.

Companies hate tariffs unless they protect their products. Workers in protected industries like them as well.
 
I don’t see any evidence that Apple has any interest in hiding the tariff tax on Americans. Do you?


I hope they do. Trump campaigned on tariffs not raising prices (lying, since it’s impossible) and now says he can’t guarantee it.



Outside the US? People claim a similar thing about specific products sold in the US, and repeatedly prove them wrong with citations and basic math.
I’m not saying they don’t exist, just that no one has pointed to one yet.



Yes, and our tariffs on China have been similarly high for a long time. China is not an economic ally, and is in fact a country we’ve been at economic war with for decades.



You failed to answer the question, which was THEIR tariffs on the US. Them offering zero tariffs is only a “win” if their tariffs were against ALL imports. You need to bring recipes.



Context is important. Before this trade war EU tariffs on the US averaged 5.3%, and were only against specific products to protect their own national products.
At the same time, the US’s tariffs on the EU averaged 6.2%, and were also targeted for the same reasons.
So please explain what Trump is attempting to do with these tariffs?



So you are repeating Trump talking points with no citations. The people replying to you are bringing citations from lots of varied sources. If it makes you feel good to attack our rhetoric, whatever.



1. Generally we’re all discussing the wider economic war Trump is waging on allies. Not the iPhone.
2. Do you believe the people that are anti tariffs do not have greater concerns that are voiced in arenas that aren’t *checks notes* a forum for Apple products? Interesting.

Is asking the pro Trump people to bring sources too big of an ask? Maybe they have good points, but when I search the only source I can find for most of them is Trump’s mouth.
If as what’s being reported then based on calculations they will raise prices now if what’s previously been said that it would put over $500 dollars on every iPhone in the USA then Apple as a company won’t do that because it would then kill their sales in the USA
So what is more likely to happen is they increase the price by 100 worldwide and then that will cover the majority of the tariff charge.

However if people are buying iPhones now or other big products then that will look good for his economy figures compared with previous months
 
The problem with 0 for 0 is some large US companies would not want that. Car manufacturers would lose the chicken tax on small trucks, opening up the market for cheaper small trucks to be imported, for example. Steel producers would be faced with low cost competitors. In such cases, they’d face competition in the US but not be competitive globally so exporting is not viable.

Companies hate tariffs unless they protect their products. Workers in protected industries like them as well.
The reason why trump never accepted zero for zero on cars & other such products is because he wants to flood the EU with cheap chicken & beef from America.
 
The reason why trump never accepted zero for zero on cars & other such products is because he wants to flood the EU with cheap chicken & beef from America.
Except chicken and beef isn't even cheap in the US right now. Not sure how shipping it across the world is going to undercut local production - or slicker longstanding exporters like S. America.
 
Except that not only has nobody seemingly done the calculations to show that it'd only be a 10-20% uplift around the world when they have to deal with a 43% increase in costs in the US, but that also assumes that their competitors will all do the same, plus that consumers outside the US won't be angry at being made to literally pay for Trump's ignorance about trade and taxes.
Lots of economic commentators have done the back of an envelope calculation and come up with widely differing results from 10%-43%. The problem is, nobody knows for sure what Apple's landing costs are, although a profit margin target of 40% has long been mooted.

Apple and competitors is a bit tricky to define as you either lock yourself into the ecosystem -iOS/macOS vs Android or you literally have little interest in technology apart from a phone, in which case your lock-in depends on how much you have invested in phone apps you may need to purchase again. A certain amount of the market comprises floating voters, the rest will have a degree of inertia when it comes to swapping camps due to the above or Apple's perceived cachet at that less price elastic end of the phone market. Hence my point that up to a 10% price hike worldwide might hit Apple overall a bit less than charging it all to the local (and largest single) market. It is easier to swallow if Apple can genuinely point to new and improved rather than tinkering around the edges. I suppose the iPhone 17 had better deliver.
 
Except chicken and beef isn't even cheap in the US right now. Not sure how shipping it across the world is going to undercut local production - or slicker longstanding exporters like S. America.
Someone from the trump administration was on a certain tv station saying that about chicken & beef in regards to Europe so they want lower tariffs on that so they then can flood the market with cheaper food so then people buy it.
That’s why
 
Correct, the U.S. should have continued to allow its products be tariffed and intellectual property stolen in China and elsewhere while allowing imports from those same nation states to flow in, sucking USD out of the domestic market without any coming back in return.

The benefit of this was losing workers in the U.S. and allowing for more deficit spending via exportation of inflation with the crazy amounts of QE and printing.
So how would you explain crucifying the rest of the world! Speaking as a UK consumer I bought American products until very recently. I was prepared to pay for quality wherever I found it. My most recent purchases were socks made in Vermont at £29 a pair, Rovner clarinet ligatures, subscriptions to Adobe CC, Microsoft 365 and Apple. Until the last few weeks I have been exceedingly happy with all of these but, frankly, it's the language that comes from your great leader. Apparently we're 'raping' you etc. So now things will change, at least for a while, although I'm telling myself that deep down Apple, at least, are on my side.

I've moved to Affinity, Qobuz and my next socks will be made in the UK. My clarinet accessories will be French. Nobody in the UK will agree to eat chlorinated chicken or hormone-injected beef so Trump will never win on that one. We will watch with interest as the US sources all these people to put iPhones and everything else together and try to sell them to us at inflated prices. We already paid in £s what Americans paid in $s.

If China ever manages to develop their own chips to rival Nvidia, Apple, Intel and AMD then the US will be in a real fix.
 
Because a problem shared is a problem halved.


It is asinine until you realise that Apple isn't targetting the most price-sensitive part of the market. People have soaked up Apple's price hikes before with a shrug and carried on buying. Apple can't go crazy but a 10-20% uplift isn't out of the question. It might not manifest itself so visibly outside of the US market if the dollar takes a visible dip, which I don't think this administration would be averse to: cheaper exports, dearer imports and easing the burden on servicing the national debt.
Cheaper exports?? You're ignoring the effect of retaliatory tariffs, friend. If by "dearer" do you mean "more expensive" imports? That's true for sure! But I fail to see how any of that pays down the national debt. Those hypothetical dollars coming from tariffs (a kinder gentler word for sales taxes) won't be used to pay down the national debt. They won't be used to balance the budget. If they somehow magically materialize and we avoid a recession, the revenues will be spent and the debt will increase. That's the way it's always worked and always will work. We headed to a point where debt service consumes more than the entire government's revenues. And it won't be long if we pursue this Smoot-Hawley economic agenda.
 
Someone from the trump administration was on a certain tv station saying that about chicken & beef in regards to Europe so they want lower tariffs on that so they then can flood the market with cheaper food so then people buy it.
That’s why
In Europe we certainly do not want and will not buy beef and chicken from the US. The bleached chicken was likely Trumps inspiration for his COVID related "medical" advice.
 
Do not buy an iPhone in EU or UK on the premise of higher prices. Shipments coming directly from China are not affected. Buyers in the USA could be hit and sales in the USA could slump. This could potentially lead to a lowering of prices in UK as surplus stock is diverted. Buy as you normally would but do not make an early purchase. If you’re in the USA then pay those beautiful MAGA tariffs. 😂😂😂
 
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