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Here's a device that totally kicks the ipad's butt. You'll never here anything about it because it doesn't have a huge event or Jobs to show it off and sales will be minimal.

http://iaudiophile.net/

We will wait for your review! Let us know how great they are! It sure does look like a butt kicking device, 4.8 TN LCD, 1.33Ghz Atom (slower than 2008 netbooks) yet again shove a desktop OS on a 4.8" screen? Good luck reading any menu's. I expect this would blaze thru Hulu at about 1.5 frames per second. If this is the competition, iPad has ZERO to worry about. If this did get any news coverage as the "iPad Killer" Apple stock would jump 20 points. :D
 
I'm sure he meant that it would be a tablet computer with the functionality of a Cintiq (but I'm guessing you knew that too, and were just being obstinate ;) ).

Yeh. I'm no programmer, but I'm not sure how one would write an app that would allow the iPad to work as a real-time peripheral like a Cintiq.
 
Can't believe the A4 chip is based on the 8th generation as we just found out yesterday.

There's cellphones that will be using the 9th gen, so it's very disappointing that Apple is taking a big step backwards in this area.
 
Well if you're going to make a list of things it's missing or why people shouldn't get it, actually state truthful facts.

First of all it has A-GPS which is Assisted GPS, which is NOT what the original iPhone had. The original iPhone had absolutely no GPS at all, it merely used Cell Towers/Wireless Routers to somewhat locate your position. A-GPS is what the current iPhone 3G and 3Gs have in them.

Second of all Apple has yet to state how much memory the iPad even has in it. It's basically up for speculation at this point.

Third(and I'll stop listing numbers cause it's becoming redundant), from what they said at the keynote, it will have some form of file management allowing you to easily transfer files from your iPad to your PC. Also many of the other things you listed are completely unconfirmed since the iPad when first shown seemed incomplete in many aspects and Apple could very well be sneaking them on release day.

I hate how so many people can make assumptions about a product that hasn't even been launched yet, and at that with false information. At best a couple of hundred people have even touched/used the iPad, so it's really hard to judge that based on the Mac biased crowd.
 
Yeh. I'm no programmer, but I'm not sure how one would write an app that would allow the iPad to work as a real-time peripheral like a Cintiq.

These are the things that I see as a potential for upcoming iPads:

1. Use as external display for DSLR video shooting.

2. Use instead of a laptop for writing, research collections of images and text (could be connected to a scanner to scan pages or images, too)

3. Use as device to check RAW photo files.

I mean there are lots of possible uses.

For this it needs to be more like a tablet computer, and less like the eReader it currently is.

Also, regarding the size, I want more image and less border. The iPad should be as small as possible/the monitor area as large as possible.

For this it also needs serious hard drive storage, not the pathetic 16Gb of the entry level version (the 64 Gb of the most expensive model aren't really enough, either)

So, currently it's too much a crippled device at a premium price. Apple has to offer more for the money to make it a truly usable and practical device.

Currently (and you don't need to hold one in your hands to see that) it's more a gadget or a fun toy than a practical and necessary tool.
 
I am disappointed with the lackluster hardware coupled with the lack of ingenuity in most of the software, but the 3g data rates are good enough to make the total cost of ownership over a year roughly the same for me as a netbook + usb stick.
 
I was hoping it would be a bit more of a stand alone device, running a hybrid iPhone/Mac OS X operating system. If this is a device that is supposed to sit between my phone and my laptop then why is it running the exact same OS as my phone?

My biggest complaint is that I don't like the idea of a device like this being tied to another computer's iTunes, and especially the App Store. I don't like being told what I can and can't do with the hardware that I purchase. If I want my iPad to quack like a duck and there is a developer that can make that happen, then I don't see why Apple has to stand in the way.
 
I keep going hot and cold on the iPad. On the one hand all I need from my portable device is a good internet experience for sofa-surfing and good media performance on flights/trips etc.

I recently sold my 13" MBP to re-evaluate my position before the launch of the updated MBP's. The thing is my main compute (24" alu iMac) is used for most computing needs and the iPad would maybe suit my needs. The thing that keeps putting me off mainly is the lack of any file structure and transfer.

If I rip one of my movies onto the iMac or download from elsewhere I want to be able to transfer these files onto my portable device iPad/MB etc, to not be able to do this massively cripples any portable media device. Unless I am misunderstanding this you can't just drag your ripped movie into iTunes and then sync it with your iPad?

So as it stands I will either get the new spec MBP 13 (when eventually released) or an iPad and live with the limitations.:confused:
 
Unless I am misunderstanding this you can't just drag your ripped movie into iTunes and then sync it with your iPad?

I do it with my iPhone all the time. If I rip it from a DVD using Handbrake, it's ready to go straight into iTunes and onto my iPhone. If it's an AVI file, I convert it to MP4 using FFMPEGX (free) and then it's ready for iTunes and the iPhone. I don't believe the iPad would be any different.
 
This article about sums up my point....
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If you're building a tablet from a phone OS, you would fail to have a completely stand-alone device, in the sense that a laptop is completely standalone. You couldn't have file access to dump photos, video and other media onto, you'd have to sync it to something else once in a while to get everything you need. And you have to go through a marketplace instead of installing stuff like a computer.

There is also no real way for apps to interact with each other. There's copy and paste on smartphones, and certain apps can read data files from certain other apps (like the contact list), but there's no way to interact like dragging and dropping files across applications. In the iPhone, you can't even multitask to work on two things simultaneously. You can on Android, but there's minimal interaction between applications. That's not saying it can't be done, it's just not so entrenched in the base OS or the base philosophy that application developers don't do it very often. If the OS maker doesn't do it, developers won't either.

Also, because phones are a very isolated experience, App Stores make it much easier to find apps that are both customized for your device and safe to install. This is great for phones, since stability is important, but when you're getting into higher-performance devices, you want the ability to choose what apps you want, not just pick from the ones that Apple or Google deem OK for you to consume. And since this kind of tablet is adapted from the phone ecosystem, that's the only choice you have.

To have a very good experience on any sort of serious computing device (not a phone), you need interactivity. An example on the Mac is the way your Mail application knows if someone is online in iChat, and shows a little light by his name, telling you that you can just IM him instead of emailing.

Peripherals is something else a phone-based OS can't handle well. You're limited to a specific number of device accessories that needs to be vetted in order to ensure compatibility. Even the iPad, which has a few more accessories than the iPhone (like a keyboard), doesn't have nearly the amount of compatibility as a desktop. A tablet needs to learn this lesson from desktops in order to be truly useful. Plug in a keyboard? Sure. A firewire camera to have the device act as a target storage device? Absolutely. Another tablet, so you can have twice the amount of display area? Why the hell not. Print? Yes.

But not all of this is software. As the size of a increases, your expectation for power does too, and battery life decreases in accordance. So theoretically, in a tablet device, you'd want to have one significant step up in performance over phones, which we're not seeing in these devices. I'm not talking just running the same applications faster, with upscaled graphics, I'm talking entirely new things you can only do with increased processing power. Stuff like true multitasking, games that are actually noticeably better than cellphone games, light media editing (not as good as a laptop, of course) and media playback of all kinds, handling all sorts of codecs.

That's right, people expect more functionality and power with that bigger screen.
 
netbooks suck.

This doesn't seem to suck.

Why would you just take something that sucks and use that when you could get something better?

I have to disagree with you there. I'm planning on buying an iPad but I KNOW it's gonna be way more useless. My netbook is WAY more useful. I'm an illustrator and I can use Adobe products on my netbook for light work if I need to. Something I know I won't be able to do on my iPad. On trips, I know I'll be doomed to carrying my iPad AND my netbook.
 
This article about sums up my point....

In the iPhone, you can't even multitask to work on two things simultaneously.... That's not saying it can't be done, it's just not so entrenched in the... the base philosophy...

App Stores make it much easier to find apps that are both customized for your device and safe to install. This is great for phones, since stability is important, but when you're getting into higher-performance devices, you want the ability to choose what apps you want, not just pick from the ones that Apple or Google deem OK for you to consume.

To have a very good experience on any sort of serious computing device (not a phone), you need interactivity.

Peripherals is something else a phone-based OS can't handle well. You're limited to a specific number of device accessories that needs to be vetted in order to ensure compatibility.

As the size of a [tablet] increases, your expectation for... battery life decreases in accordance.

That's an amazing collection of faulty assumptions!




I'm planning on buying an iPad but I KNOW it's gonna be way more useless. My netbook is WAY more useful.

Excellent buying strategy!
 
That's an amazing collection of faulty assumptions!

Yeah, my critique of that critique is that the writer should just stick with notebooks with desktop operating systems.

It would seem to me that you run into a really slippery slope on the very usability of a device with such capabilities.

Keyboard seems fine as an external entry device, it's really practical for occasional use. What about an external pointing device? a mouse? We get even further away from the necessity of the touch interface.

More complex applications and operating systems will require faster processors. Faster processors on a regular basis use battery faster than others. So what do you do? Do you market the device for 5 hours battery and deliver 2? How useful is a tablet mobile device if it is only usable for a couple hours? Do you add more battery, making the device heavier? At what point would it be too heavy to handle in a comfortable manner?

More complex applications and multitasking also might result in needing more resolution. At what point is the resolution for size too high before you have to move to a bigger display? Bigger display, more weight, less usable tablet.

So does the author want a device with a proper size and weight that is attached to an external battery/wall outlet or a heavier, clunkier device that will end up on a dock with keyboard and mouse?
 
Excellent buying strategy!

As a non-iphone user. I've always been on the outside looking in at the whole app store thing. And I like them. But I honestly know that i could do whatever I want the app for on my netbook. Just not as pretty. I want something pretty for once.
 
We will wait for your review! Let us know how great they are! It sure does look like a butt kicking device, 4.8 TN LCD, 1.33Ghz Atom (slower than 2008 netbooks) yet again shove a desktop OS on a 4.8" screen? Good luck reading any menu's. I expect this would blaze thru Hulu at about 1.5 frames per second. If this is the competition, iPad has ZERO to worry about. If this did get any news coverage as the "iPad Killer" Apple stock would jump 20 points. :D

This looks like an upgraded oqo 02 minus the keyboard an mouse which makes it even worse. I have an oqo 02 and it is a toy, no more than that. People kept telling me that before I bought it and I called their bluff and was proven wrong. They're now bankrupt. Windows is not meant to be used without a mouse and keyboard and the speed of the thing will make it a slow web surfing machine. The text will be too small, the tiny fan that has to compensate with high rpms will be too loud (forgot about that eh?), ereading will suck, and it won't be able to play flash anyways lest you like a browser that keeps locking up.

One thing I've noticed is that people who hate the ipad and keep trying to push desktop tablets hve never owned a tablet while those who have tend to be receptive to the ipad.
 
iFAIL

What a waste, i'm just going to wait for the next version, all you people buying it now are just wasting your money. I already canceled both of my 64GB wifi pads, and had 2 friends cancel theres. That's 4 iPads apple won't be selling. It's just not something that is needed, unless they put on the device in the second version that would actually make some sense with this device.
 
Why did you reserve iPads to begin with? What did you learn since that you didn't know then? I dunno, I just kind of figure that most people know whether or not they want an item BEFORE they reserve it.

It's just not something that is needed, unless they put on the device in the second version that would actually make some sense with this device.

I couldn't make sense of this. What are you talking about?
 
It only needed four things:

1. The Mac OS.
2. An iSight camera for Skype.
3. A real USB port.
4. A better name.


What's that you say? Apple is already struggling to keep up with the demand?

Nevermind. The voice of mediocrity has spoken. My opinions are irrelevant.
 
Apple could have hit EVERY single desire any of you had in the iPad-- from multitasking, 300GB harddrive, flash capable, ultra incredible speakers, 6GB Ram, HDMI outputs, usb ports, ad nauseum.

And yet-- a good portion of folks on Macrumors would still bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch. There would be SOMETHING to whine about.

For one, I am excited about getting an iPad-- I have a macbook pro and a mini-- I don't need another full blown computer. I want something ultra portable and with a bigger screen than my iPhone. I could care less about anything else.

The majority of consumers (as evidenced by the projected sales numbers) tend to agree.
 
The only reason we bitch and moan is that what Steve Jobs showed off did not match up to his claims or the hype preceding it. If he had left out "better than a netbook" and "built on the shoulders of the Kindle" then no one would be comparing it to either. Both are knowns, and both are very capable. IMHO he should have avoided such comparisons and simply claimed his stake on the tablet market. The only place I'd seen tablets in use was my doctor's office. He could have said "iPad is NOT your doctor's tablet PC", and the best we might have had here would've been doctors defending their $2500 electronic medical record tablets. Instead, he's trying to steal from the success of both, while providing at best a subset of the unique features of each.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a winner in the iPad. This is just a response to the thread topic. Another "crux of the problem" theory.
 
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