Is the Iphone 6 really "2012 technology"?

[geoff5093]

Wireless charging a 6+? That would take as long as my Oral B toothbrush.

The 6+ battery is really not that large, when you have 3000+ on many new Android phones, and those can charge wirelessly in an afternoon. Not fast at all compared to the quick charging now capable on many phones, but still not unbearably slow.

The point is having it as an option is not a con, you don't have to use it.

 

[darngooddesign]

I love my 6er but I have been reading numerous articles and for some reason, a lot of commenters have been saying "welcome to 2012" "this is 2012 tech bruh". I believe even Samsung took a jab at Apple with their new Note 4 not too long ago as well. Can someone explain to me if this is really 2012 tech? Or it just jealousy and envy? (Or a little bit of both) Why would they behave that way? I like both platforms but obviously you guys know how I'm rocking #

Galaxy note 4 sold less than 5 million 1st month while opening week alone the 6 series was double that amount.

Its not 2012 tech, but there are some features other phones had in 2012.

 

[meistervu]

...The point is having it as an option is not a con, you don't have to use it.

Having an option can be a con if you don't use it: you pay for it, not just in the cost of the device, but also the weight, thickness, things that could go wrong.

 

[GoSh4rks]

Having an option can be a con if you don't use it: you pay for it, not just in the cost of the device, but also the weight, thickness, things that could go wrong.

If that's the reasoning, the list for the iPhone should have a lot of "cons" on it as well. This doesn't.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...TgY/Qs1kEAmnlxM/w1096-h822-no/Apple+Reply.tif

 

[meistervu]

If that's the reasoning, the list for the iPhone should have a lot of "cons" on it as well. This doesn't.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...TgY/Qs1kEAmnlxM/w1096-h822-no/Apple+Reply.tif

I made a point which should be able to stand on its own. There is no need to put it in the context of someone else's argument, and I would rather not because I like to keep things simple when I can. I will leave that style of debate to the politicians.

The point again is that any option you add to a phone comes with a cost, be it the price of the device, the thickness, weight, complexity. If you don't use that option, it's a waste to you. That is unless the option can be added with minimal drawback.

Is wireless charging one of those option? would it make the phone heavier, thicker, more expensive?

I had a Palm Pre with wireless charging and I think it's neat. That feature didn't save Palm though, and it's not the wireless charging that brought Palm down. But then again I wouldn't blindly criticize Apple for not adding a technology that Palm had a few years back. I may wonder why Palm did it and Apple didn't. But then again I may also wonder why Palm went belly up and Apple didn't.

Things are a bit more complex than they appear to be.

 

[redshadow]

Having an option can be a con if you don't use it: you pay for it, not just in the cost of the device, but also the weight, thickness, things that could go wrong.

Yeah this logic is just bad.

 

[meistervu]

Yeah this logic is just bad.

Well, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

However, to have a good discussion, one should at least try to explain why he comes to that conclusion. Even my 8 year old daughter would explain in her own words why she thinks the way she does even when the subject is clearly beyond her experience. Even when I disagree with her, I really enjoy those discussions.

If my logic is bad, I would love to know why. One learns more from one's mistake.

 

[bunnicula]

Well, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

However, to have a good discussion, one should at least try to explain why he comes to that conclusion. Even my 8 year old daughter would explain in her own words why she thinks what the way she does even when the subject is clearly beyond her experience. Even when I disagree with her, I really enjoy those discussions.

If my logic is bad, I would love to know why. One learns more from one's mistake.

I agree with you, for what it's worth.

If a device has an option that I'll never use and that option drove up the price? It's a con.

 

[geoff5093]

Having an option can be a con if you don't use it: you pay for it, not just in the cost of the device, but also the weight, thickness, things that could go wrong.

Right, that's why this phone with more options is half the price of an iPhone. What about people who don't use Apple Pay? Or Bluetooth? Or more than 8GB of storage? There's a lot the iPhone has that could be argued are extra features to some. The cost is much lower than other flagship phones, so added cost is not a reason to list it as a con.

 

[bunnicula]

Right, that's why this phone with more options is half the price of an iPhone. What about people who don't use Apple Pay? Or Bluetooth? Or more than 8GB of storage? There's a lot the iPhone has that could be argued are extra features to some. The cost is much lower than other flagship phones, so added cost is not a reason to list it as a con.

Sure it is, if you feel like the phone would have been more affordable without (whatever feature/features).

I'm pretty much used to iPhone pricing so features I don't use are irrelevant to me.

But, telling me some Android phone was "more advanced" 2 years ago is meaningless to me if the thing that is being pointed to as "advanced" is something irrelevant to me. Or something I might like if it was better executed (like NFC payments).

 

[I7guy]

Right, that's why this phone with more options is half the price of an iPhone. What about people who don't use Apple Pay? Or Bluetooth? Or more than 8GB of storage? There's a lot the iPhone has that could be argued are extra features to some. The cost is much lower than other flagship phones, so added cost is not a reason to list it as a con.

Market supply and demand, support affect the price of a phone. Bluetooth is a standard, no phone will be made without it. Apple pay I agree with. If you talk about bluetooth and memory, let's discuss CPU cores.

 

[meistervu]

Right, that's why this phone with more options is half the price of an iPhone. What about people who don't use Apple Pay? Or Bluetooth? Or more than 8GB of storage? There's a lot the iPhone has that could be argued are extra features to some. The cost is much lower than other flagship phones, so added cost is not a reason to list it as a con.

I don't have the cost data the iPhone and the phone you are talking about. But I am skeptical about the claim of "more options...half the price." Did you look at all the specs, material, fit and finish? Also, some phones are sold as a loss so the price of a phone may not be the cost of manufacturing the phone.

As for 8GB, that would be too little for most people. I had trouble upgrading the OS because I ran out of space. It's not a practical option now a day.

Bluetooth is cheap and is part of the current chipsets so adding it doesn't cost much. Most people wants that.

ApplePay, or NFC chip, I suspect that a lot of people wants that. It's also a money generating feature for Apple, so practically Apple could add it for free and still make a profit.

Wireless charging on the other hand, do we know how much weight and thickness and other complication it may add to the phone? I have no idea. Do you? It's certainly nice to not have to plug the phone in as with my Palm Pre, but I plug mine in once a day when I go to bed so to me it's not that big of a deal. I would rather have more than 8 GB, Bluetooth, ApplePay than wireless charging.

 

[p3ntyne]

Sure it is, if you feel like the phone would have been more affordable without (whatever feature/features).

I'm pretty much used to iPhone pricing so features I don't use are irrelevant to me.

But, telling me some Android phone was "more advanced" 2 years ago is meaningless to me if the thing that is being pointed to as "advanced" is something irrelevant to me. Or something I might like if it was better executed (like NFC payments).

NFC payments were and still executed fine. Sure, it could be argued that Apple Pay is more secure, however, Android's smart lock works well and the NFC chip can be used for much more.

And BTW, those 'irrelevant features' and irrelevant, but when Apple stars using them... (As it was with big screens and displays above 400PPI).

 

[geoff5093]

I don't have the cost data the iPhone and the phone you are talking about. But I am skeptical about the claim of "more options...half the price." Did you look at all the specs, material, fit and finish? Also, some phones are sold as a loss so the price of a phone may not be the cost of manufacturing the phone.

As for 8GB, that would be too little for most people. I had trouble upgrading the OS because I ran out of space. It's not a practical option now a day.

Bluetooth is cheap and is part of the current chipsets so adding it doesn't cost much. Most people wants that.

ApplePay, or NFC chip, I suspect that a lot of people wants that. It's also a money generating feature for Apple, so practically Apple could add it for free and still make a profit.

Wireless charging on the other hand, do we know how much weight and thickness and other complication it may add to the phone? I have no idea. Do you? It's certainly nice to not have to plug the phone in as with my Palm Pre, but I plug mine in once a day when I go to bed so to me it's not that big of a deal. I would rather have more than 8 GB, Bluetooth, ApplePay than wireless charging.

Wireless charging is just a coil on the inside of the back of the phone, with support from the internal components, there's really not much cost associated with that. My point is, phones that include wireless charging don't cost more. Most use the standard $599 and $699 price points, with phablets usually costing $699. If a flagship has wireless charging, it's not going to effect the price, likewise if it doesn't, you won't simply pay that much less for the phone.

 

[Stevessvt]

Having an option can be a con if you don't use it: you pay for it, not just in the cost of the device, but also the weight, thickness, things that could go wrong.

The 6 has a bigger higher res screen, NFC and more advanced SOC and camera than last years. How much more is this years 6 16GB than last years was? In fact, the 64GB is cheaper this year with all those things than last years was.

 

[bunnicula]

NFC payments were and still executed fine. Sure, it could be argued that Apple Pay is more secure, however, Android's smart lock works well and the NFC chip can be used for much more.

And BTW, those 'irrelevant features' and irrelevant, but when Apple stars using them... (As it was with big screens and displays above 400PPI).

Not really. Google Pay never took off back then and it is less secure. The jury is still out on Apple Pay, but it looks good so far in regard to execution, adoption, etc. Google Pay benefits from Apple Pay's success.

The point is that people were fine enough with what Apple offered in 2012 to buy iPhone instead of any Android device. And when Apple adds something new, they don't usually (though sometimes they flub up) add it until it's refined.

Slapping on features "just because" is a bad idea. Android OS and Android devices are both pretty fond of this. If it works for them, fine. It won't stop people from preferring the way Apple chooses to develop their products, though.

 

[Max(IT)]

I love my 6er but I have been reading numerous articles and for some reason, a lot of commenters have been saying "welcome to 2012" "this is 2012 tech bruh". I believe even Samsung took a jab at Apple with their new Note 4 not too long ago as well. Can someone explain to me if this is really 2012 tech? Or it just jealousy and envy? (Or a little bit of both) Why would they behave that way? I like both platforms but obviously you guys know how I'm rocking #

Galaxy note 4 sold less than 5 million 1st month while opening week alone the 6 series was double that amount.

Solution: stop read BS on Android fan websites

Comparing to their devices, iPhone 6 is 2015 tech , especially regarding SoC architecture

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Purely by the numbers, yes, virtually identical to 2012 high end Android phones.

However in real life it would destroy anything from then, in either actual usage, or benchmarks.

When you are speaking about different architectures and different operative systems, comparing numbers is just plain silly.

 

[Stevessvt]

Solution: stop read BS on Android fan websites

Comparing to their devices, iPhone 6 is 2015 tech , especially regarding SoC architecture

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When you are speaking about different architectures and different operative systems, comparing numbers is just plain silly.

True, but your looking at it logically as an enthusiast. Joe Average whom doesnt know any better would naturally assume the phone with more megahurtz and geebee's must be the better machine.

 

[I7guy]

True, but your looking at it logically as an enthusiast. Joe Average whom doesnt know any better would naturally assume the phone with more megahurtz and geebee's must be the better machine.

Joe average doesn't care about "megahurtz" and "geebees". Joe average wants to know how am I going to interact with the phone and is it going to work the way I want it to work. Out of the billion cell phone users only a tiny few are voicing their opinion here. Doesn't make it right or wrong or good or bad, need to put in perspective.

 

[jpeg42]

Joe average doesn't care about "megahurtz" and "geebees". Joe average wants to know how am I going to interact with the phone and is it going to work the way I want it to work. Out of the billion cell phone users only a tiny few are voicing their opinion here. Doesn't make it right or wrong or good or bad, need to put in perspective.

I don't know if that is completely true. Avg Joe is constantly being sold by Apple (and not just Apple but look at the iPhone page) that bigger numbers is better (resolution, MPs, processor, but not weight or thinness) and the reason to upgrade. I don't think avg Joe really technically knows what this means, but they do care they are getting the latest and greatest.

My aunt was so pumped to show me her latest digital camera. It has 12 MP!!! The pictures look like crap but she thinks they are amazing because.... megapixels.

 

[geoff5093]

Joe average doesn't care about "megahurtz" and "geebees". Joe average wants to know how am I going to interact with the phone and is it going to work the way I want it to work. Out of the billion cell phone users only a tiny few are voicing their opinion here. Doesn't make it right or wrong or good or bad, need to put in perspective.

I get what you mean, but I think the average consumer does pay attention to camera resolution, processors, storage, resolution, etc. They just don't know what they mean or why they need them.

For instance, Apple brags about having "x billion transistors" in it's "64 bit" CPU. The average consumer knows nothing about this or why they need it, they just see a high number and then say they need a phone that has at least 64 bits. Same with the camera, they see that the new Droid Turbo has 20MP, and if they hear that the iPhone has 8 they automatically think it's worse.

 

[Stevessvt]

I get what you mean, but I think the average consumer does pay attention to camera resolution, processors, storage, resolution, etc. They just don't know what they mean or why they need them.

For instance, Apple brags about having "x billion transistors" in it's "64 bit" CPU. The average consumer knows nothing about this or why they need it, they just see a high number and then say they need a phone that has at least 64 bits. Same with the camera, they see that the new Droid Turbo has 20MP, and if they hear that the iPhone has 8 they automatically think it's worse.

... or the really impressive one to the person 'not in the know', a quad core 2.7GHz with 3 gigs of ram vs a dual core at 1.3 GHz with 1.

 

[I7guy]

... or the really impressive one to the person 'not in the know', a quad core 2.7GHz with 3 gigs of ram vs a dual core at 1.3 GHz with 1.

You don't think android ( as I ise android as a noun) is bragging about is new 8 core 64 bit processor? Braggi g rights are the name of the game. But if Joe or Jane Average is anything like my significant other, it's about what the phone does and how it does it. Not what the hp of the engine is.

 

[Zwhaler]

No because the ip6 smokes every android phone on the market.

Ok... here we go again... not the Note 4, but to each his own.

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Galaxy note 4 sold less than 5 million 1st month while opening week alone the 6 series was double that amount.

Can you explain this to me... how does opening sales of a phone make it a better or worse device? If they only sold 100,000 the hardware, specs, and experience would be exactly the same... it doesn't affect you or me unless you're a shareholder. I don't get why people say this phone sucks because another phone sold more... I think the Note 4 is much better but iPhone fanboys who have only used an iPhone as their smartphone don't get it (not directing that at you unless it applies to you).

 

[Bahroo]

Ok... here we go again... not the Note 4, but to each his own.

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Can you explain this to me... how does opening sales of a phone make it a better or worse device? If they only sold 100,000 the hardware, specs, and experience would be exactly the same... it doesn't affect you or me unless you're a shareholder. I don't get why people say this phone sucks because another phone sold more... I think the Note 4 is much better but iPhone fanboys who have only used an iPhone as their smartphone don't get it (not directing that at you unless it applies to you).

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