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The iPhone is thought to have 3 to 5 processor cores inside it. Touch, maybe 2 or 3. More than one CPU in the iPhone is an ARM core according to an EETimes report. The iPhone a small multi-processor system, and the OS install package includes kernel code for more than one of those processors. The application CPU in both the 1G and 3G runs at 4xx MHz and has 128 MB of RAM. Nobody (except Apple and the chip designers/vendors) knows how fast and how much memory the other CPU cores have in the 1G and 3G, or how different they might be.

If those other CPUs aren't the same, that's a strong technical reason why 4.0 support can't be ported to the 1st gen devices.

I'm 99% certain that the iphone, and iPod touch... all models have ONE processor, and ONE core. Not 3-5
 
Where did Apple say the original iPhone can't handle it? What they have said is that they aren't going to support it. The two are different things.

They said due to hardware limitations it won't run it. It would look stupid saying we are not supporting it. Steve LIED and said it was because of HARDWARE it wouldn't run. Apple also LIED last year about MMS on the Original.
 
I'm 99% certain that the iphone, and iPod touch... all models have ONE processor, and ONE core. Not 3-5

He might be referring to the original iPhone's WiFi and EDGE chips, each of which used an ARM core. Not that those matter to the user.

As far as actual hardware limitations, it's possible that Apple felt the rather limited 5,000 erase/write cycles of the older Flash memory was a risk with constant saves of application states.
 
He might be referring to the original iPhone's WiFi and EDGE chips, each of which used an ARM core. Not that those matter to the user.

As far as actual hardware limitations, it's possible that Apple felt the rather limited 5,000 erase/write cycles of the older Flash memory was a risk with constant saves of application states.

I thought flash chips have algorithms to increase the limited write/rewrite capacity? Or is it just new-er flash chips
 
They said due to hardware limitations it won't run it. It would look stupid saying we are not supporting it. Steve LIED and said it was because of HARDWARE it wouldn't run. Apple also LIED last year about MMS on the Original.



and the obvious lies are my #1 beef with Apple. If they were honest and said that they simply did not want to do it that would be one thing, but treating me like an idiot is never going to win my loyalty.
 
and the obvious lies are my #1 beef with Apple. If they were honest and said that they simply did not want to do it that would be one thing, but treating me like an idiot is never going to win my loyalty.

+1
 
If apple said we just want you t upgrade, their stock would probably flop.

Exactly.
When was the last time your seen a big Corporation saying we are doing it this way so we can make more money and sell tons of our products?
Instead they say we came out with this new product to help consumers that need to accomplish that and this and unfortunatelly the old device has hardware limitations and will not function up to our standards.
 
and the obvious lies are my #1 beef with Apple. If they were honest and said that they simply did not want to do it that would be one thing, but treating me like an idiot is never going to win my loyalty.

Perhaps not acting like one, would be a good start? ;)
 
So using winks makes insulting other people on the forum acceptable? Cool!

Perhaps not acting like a total d-bag will help get your point across? ;)

*sticks fingers in ears and goes Lah lah lah till this thread dies down*. good lord never heard so much bickering :D
 
Is there a reason you're insistent with keeping an iPhone that is 3 years old when you can sell yours' for nearly the cost of a new phone at $199?
 
He might be referring to the original iPhone's WiFi and EDGE chips, each of which used an ARM core. Not that those matter to the user.

However, the Baseband chip is an extension, not an extra CPU. Think of it as a GPU and a CPU. GPU is an extension.

As far as actual hardware limitations, it's possible that Apple felt the rather limited 5,000 erase/write cycles of the older Flash memory was a risk with constant saves of application states.

That is a one big reason. By now, many people should be hitting the 4000 mark.
 
I thought flash chips have algorithms to increase the limited write/rewrite capacity? Or is it just new-er flash chips

While flash cards and keychains have controller chips built-in, the raw memory chips used in iPhones/iPods don't have any smarts at all.

Wear leveling is totally up to the flash memory driver code running on the main iPhone CPU.

When the flash was used just for occasional saving of preferences and multimedia files, low write cycle limits aren't important. Saving app states a hundred times a day while users swap between apps is a different situation.

Or it could just be an economic decision. The problem with Apple is, they like to hide their reasons from their customers.
 
They said due to hardware limitations it won't run it. It would look stupid saying we are not supporting it. Steve LIED and said it was because of HARDWARE it wouldn't run. Apple also LIED last year about MMS on the Original.

SJ didn't mention the original iPhone. What he said is that the 3G iPhone and 2nd gen touch wouldn't run all features of OS 4 due to hardware limitations.

Who's the LIAR now? :rolleyes:
 
I’ve read most of this thread and if I understand it correctly, my 2G will still work as it does now after the 4.0 upgrade. I will not upgrade to the 4.0 OS and I think that I should not update any of my apps. Does that sound correct?
 
I’ve read most of this thread and if I understand it correctly, my 2G will still work as it does now after the 4.0 upgrade. I will not upgrade to the 4.0 OS and I think that I should not update any of my apps. Does that sound correct?

Correct. No 4.0 for you. As apps start requiring 4.0, you'll be left with the old versions of the apps. You have to be very careful though because you might be using iTunes on your computer and see that you have updates available, if you update in iTunes, then try to sync incompatible apps to your iPhone later, they won't go on. Also, iTunes overwrites your apps when you update them so you'd have to use Time Machine to get back the old versions. I wish there was a way to download any version of an app, but there is not.

It's also a pain when you're browsing the App Store on your iPhone and you see an App you like... so you try to buy it, but you're greeted with the message "This app requires 4.0 or higher". It means that you'll be limited on which apps you can buy or download.
 
They said due to hardware limitations it won't run it. It would look stupid saying we are not supporting it. Steve LIED and said it was because of HARDWARE it wouldn't run. Apple also LIED last year about MMS on the Original.

No, Steve said that due to hardware limitations Multitasking and some other features wouldn't work on the iPhone 3G and iPod Touch 2G. The original iPhone and iPod Touch weren't mentioned at all. That implies that they are not supported by this update. There was no lie as regards the original iPhone and iPod Touch this year. Whether the iPhone 3G/iPod Touch 2G stuff was a lie is unknown.
 
Correct. No 4.0 for you. As apps start requiring 4.0, you'll be left with the old versions of the apps. You have to be very careful though because you might be using iTunes on your computer and see that you have updates available, if you update in iTunes, then try to sync incompatible apps to your iPhone later, they won't go on. Also, iTunes overwrites your apps when you update them so you'd have to use Time Machine to get back the old versions. I wish there was a way to download any version of an app, but there is not.

It's also a pain when you're browsing the App Store on your iPhone and you see an App you like... so you try to buy it, but you're greeted with the message "This app requires 4.0 or higher". It means that you'll be limited on which apps you can buy or download.

Thanks

I can live with that…… sounds fair to me. I’ll probably upgrade this fall so I should be able to use it till then…. Yes the app store will be tempting to try new ones but I’ll make sure and hold off till I upgrade…..

I’d like to see Apple put together a package deal on an iPhone and Ipad……
 
Correct. No 4.0 for you. As apps start requiring 4.0, you'll be left with the old versions of the apps. You have to be very careful though because you might be using iTunes on your computer and see that you have updates available, if you update in iTunes, then try to sync incompatible apps to your iPhone later, they won't go on. Also, iTunes overwrites your apps when you update them so you'd have to use Time Machine to get back the old versions. I wish there was a way to download any version of an app, but there is not.

It's also a pain when you're browsing the App Store on your iPhone and you see an App you like... so you try to buy it, but you're greeted with the message "This app requires 4.0 or higher". It means that you'll be limited on which apps you can buy or download.

Apply may require apps to remain 3.1.3 compatible. If not, then they could setup iTunes to recognize if a user is running an original iPhone, and not update the apps anymore. Of course, it would suck if someone was trying to run an original iPhone and any newer iPhone on the same iTunes account.
 
Apply may require apps to remain 3.1.3 compatible. If not, then they could setup iTunes to recognize if a user is running an original iPhone, and not update the apps anymore. Of course, it would suck if someone was trying to run an original iPhone and any newer iPhone on the same iTunes account.

I think it's going to be up to the developers whether they want to make apps compatible with 3.1.3. They could ignore people who have older devices or they could code their app in a way that recognizes what OS it's running on and adjust the features based on that information.
 
So using winks makes insulting other people on the forum acceptable? Cool!

Perhaps not acting like a total d-bag will help get your point across? ;)

Never insulted you. You said Apple was treating you like an idiot. I stated perhaps not acting like one would help. This did not imply you were one. It was simply a response to your comment. Whether or not you are one is not my judgment to make. :)

Is there a reason you're insistent with keeping an iPhone that is 3 years old when you can sell yours' for nearly the cost of a new phone at $199?

Because that's too obvious a solution. Lol. When tech gets that old, you need to sell it before it rots away and you get nothing. Happens all the time.
 
You own a 2G don't you?

It will be 5 years later and 2G owners will STILL be complaining that their phones can fun blah blah blah because the latest phone is "not that different" from theirs. Seriously?

The problem is, if Apple lets 2G owners install and run 4.0 - they will be complaining and whining that it's slow and battery performance is terrible and their phone locks up. Gee - I wonder why!

Move on. Go buy a Razr.

Well if you have an old iMac you can put snow leopard on it. WHy shouldn't you be able to put 4.0 on a 2g iPhone?
 
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