Is There A Point For An iPad Mini?

[appswipe]

imo, if they go through with it, its going to be a flop. im not going to say its gonna be horrible, but i doubt its going to meet expectations.

Actually, it will probably "meet expectations" far better than the current iPads will.

Many people who buy iPads don't necessarily know why they bought it or how they'll use it so there's an inevitable disappointment level for certain consumers. The iPad Mini is actually a very targeted device which means the average mini buyer already has a list of usage scenarios and therefore less chance at disappointment.

For me
- I want iPad apps on a device I'll actually take out of the house
- I dont want to carry a "purse" when going out with my iPad
- I find the bigger iPad to be too big for in-bed/on-plane reading
- I wouldnt mind a lower pricetag. Ive purchased one for everyone in my family so Id like to not overspend

So for me then this is a more ideal product for me than the original iPad. You dont have to understand that individuals have individual needs, but it sure would help keep you from getting frustrated with things inconsequential to your own needs. Heck, if you keep an open mind then you may even like it rather than prejudging it.

 

[loon3y]

Actually, it will probably "meet expectations" far better than the current iPads will.

Many people who buy iPads don't necessarily know why they bought it or how they'll use it so there's an inevitable disappointment level for certain consumers. The iPad Mini is actually a very targeted device which means the average mini buyer already has a list of usage scenarios and therefore less chance at disappointment.

For me
- I want iPad apps on a device I'll actually take out of the house
- I dont want to carry a "purse" when going out with my iPad
- I find the bigger iPad to be too big for in-bed/on-plane reading
- I wouldnt mind a lower pricetag. Ive purchased one for everyone in my family so Id like to not overspend

So for me then this is a more ideal product for me than the original iPad. You dont have to understand that individuals have individual needs, but it sure would help keep you from getting frustrated with things inconsequential to your own needs. Heck, if you keep an open mind then you may even like it rather than prejudging it.

on the consumer end, i guess if you want to use it as an "e-book" but i just don't see the mass appeal in it, like the iPad and iPhone. its a smaller crappier version of the iPad, only thing about it is that its lighter, and cheaper.

and the others that said they would give it to "kids" i don't know how much you make but id hardly trust kids with a fragile handheld 300 dollar device let alone the original iPad right? and i hardly think most parents that have an average americans earning would let children handle a mini iPad, and rather just get them all their own iTouches instead.


the business side, i see even less relevance, in business they love the extra real estate on the iPad, it show much more detail, you can have basically 2 views in one with the split view controllers. and if you're a salesman that needs quick reference without the need of a tablet pc, than you have the iTouch or an iPhone.

Yes, theres going to be people that want the in between I guess since the samsung mini tablet came out. but in my opinion I doubt its going to be as high market as the iPad and the iPhone.

I just dont see a big market for them, not like the iPad and iPhone. the minitablet is cumbersome, but of course the buyer doesn't mind. but the whole point is to sell and make money right? i just don't see it selling as much as the iPad (forget the iPhone, nothing is going step to their sales)


I mean I guess its to compete with Samsung's note, but is it really worth it? are these mini tablets going to last?

I'm not undermining an individual's preference, I'm just looking at it in a real life perspective, how difficult is it taking it around? and id assume people would replace their smartphones for these like the note (assuming it will have these capabilities), in which u wont comfortably move around without some sort of clip or having your girlfriend holding it in her purse. and in that case if you do carry it around every where and use it as a cellular device, what if it breaks? 100-200 more than it would be for replacing an iPhone. people don't have a problem with iPad because they usually don't care it around everywhere they go.


to me, it seems like these mini-tabs aren't going to be big players in the game, and i wouldn't be surprised if they just die out.


lol, at the people religiously thinking that its going to be a success, I'm not concluding anything, but if it we're me i'd invest on something else.

given the innovator steve is i hardly think he would approve or go in this type of thing. he brought in game changers, and this clearly isn't one

 

[tann]

Yes I do think there is.

After Amazon's announcements today I believe they need to release one otherwise many people may be swayed away from purchasing a $499 iPad and get the $299 Kindle Fire HD (the 8.9" one) or the cheap as chips $159 Kindle Fire or in the middle $199 Kindle Fire HD (7")!!

A lot of people use iPads for media consumption, if they want to read on them then the current iPad is both too big and heavy to comfortably hold it. For watching videos a screen more suited to that type of content would be preferred(ala Kindle Fire range). In fact one of the only pros of the smaller Apple iPad would be the phenomenal app store, great iCloud integration and better suited screen for web/email/apps in general (imo - screen based on rumors).

I see people being persuaded away from a Kindle Fire/Nexus 7 by a smaller iPad especially if the price is not too much more than these other products. Once they get into apple's App ecosystem then they're hooked. Job done!

 

[Tech198]

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I've never liked the iPad. I've never understood why it's a big deal. But the mini - I might just jump on that. It looks damn sexy.

I bet you'll say that again when the next ipad comes out after the mini (whatever it will be called)

 

[ActionableMango]

to me, it seems like these mini-tabs aren't going to be big players in the game, and i wouldn't be surprised if they just die out.

TVs come in all sizes. iPods come in all sizes. Laptops come in all sizes. Phones come in all sizes. Desktop computers come in all sizes. Monitors come in all sizes. eBook readers come in all sizes.

But tablets? 10" or fail? I just don't get the narrow-mindedness behind this. Of course there is a market for other sizes.

 

[Tech198]

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then is there the other side of the fence by,

how small can you go, before, it suddenly no longer becomes a tablet.

 

[dotme]

imo, if they go through with it, its going to be a flop.

Nah, it will fly off the shelves if Apple gets the pricing right. It will be a huge success.

 

[ctdonath]

As Tann notes: because there IS a market for 7" tablets - enough of one that Amazon upgraded their model instead of abandoning it, not to mention all the other 7" tablets selling enough to keep selling them and introduce more.

Competing 7" tablets are around the $250 price range. Given that the 10" iPad starts at twice that, Apple can easily drop the price of a "mini tablet" to $"well, for a few bucks more I can just get an iPad."

 

[Defender2010]

what comes after tablets?

 

[appswipe]

Nah, it will fly off the shelves if Apple gets the pricing right. It will be a huge success.

I agree and (if pricing AND specs are done right) I feel that we may even see a shift away from the original similar to how the iPod Nano replaced the larger capacity iPod due to more competitive prices and increased portability. With the iPod it was "Who cares how much music it holds if it's too cumbersome to carry compared to the Nano", we could easily have an iPad Mini reaction like "Who cares if its got more screen space and power if I never take it out of the house".

So it's very possible to see the 7.85" iPad being the flagship model with the 9.7" being the "iPad Classic".

 

[mantan]

on the consumer end, i guess if you want to use it as an "e-book" but i just don't see the mass appeal in it, like the iPad and iPhone. its a smaller crappier version of the iPad, only thing about it is that its lighter, and cheaper.

and the others that said they would give it to "kids" i don't know how much you make but id hardly trust kids with a fragile handheld 300 dollar device let alone the original iPad right? and i hardly think most parents that have an average americans earning would let children handle a mini iPad, and rather just get them all their own iTouches instead.


the business side, i see even less relevance, in business they love the extra real estate on the iPad, it show much more detail, you can have basically 2 views in one with the split view controllers. and if you're a salesman that needs quick reference without the need of a tablet pc, than you have the iTouch or an iPhone.

Yes, theres going to be people that want the in between I guess since the samsung mini tablet came out. but in my opinion I doubt its going to be as high market as the iPad and the iPhone.

I just dont see a big market for them, not like the iPad and iPhone. the minitablet is cumbersome, but of course the buyer doesn't mind. but the whole point is to sell and make money right? i just don't see it selling as much as the iPad (forget the iPhone, nothing is going step to their sales)


I mean I guess its to compete with Samsung's note, but is it really worth it? are these mini tablets going to last?

I'm not undermining an individual's preference, I'm just looking at it in a real life perspective, how difficult is it taking it around? and id assume people would replace their smartphones for these like the note (assuming it will have these capabilities), in which u wont comfortably move around without some sort of clip or having your girlfriend holding it in her purse. and in that case if you do carry it around every where and use it as a cellular device, what if it breaks? 100-200 more than it would be for replacing an iPhone. people don't have a problem with iPad because they usually don't care it around everywhere they go.


to me, it seems like these mini-tabs aren't going to be big players in the game, and i wouldn't be surprised if they just die out.


lol, at the people religiously thinking that its going to be a success, I'm not concluding anything, but if it we're me i'd invest on something else.

given the innovator steve is i hardly think he would approve or go in this type of thing. he brought in game changers, and this clearly isn't one

Again, this is where different people have different needs.

I bought an iPad for my wife. But I couldn't justify spending another $650-$700 on what would essentially be a luxury item for me to use when I travel for work. But I'd happily pay $250-$300 (the same as I'd go blow on a driver) for one with a totally different mindset. Not to mention, I really like the idea of a slightly smaller form factor to hold for long periods of time.

I wouldn't spend $500-$750 on an iPad as a gift for my 14 year old daughter. But I'd seriously consider getting her one to replace her iPod touch for $250-$299. (Even though she has a phone, she would love the bigger screen for watching movies, apps, surfing the net, etc.)

At $250-$299 it's something I would consider as a graduation present for nieces/newphews or as a birthday or Christmas present.

I could easily see me buying 5 iPad minis in the next 18 months after buying 1 iPad in the last 2 years.

But everybody has different needs/wants. It's the market as a whole, not any one individual.

Though I did have to laugh at your statement that nobody would trust an iPad with kids. I've seen kids of all ages using the iPad. One of the great things about it is that it's simple enough for most kids to use without fear of them 'breaking' it.

I generally find most Apple stuff overpriced....but if they can bring an iPad mini to the market for the prices the Kindle Fires are going for ,I'm all over it.

 

[GoreVidal]

The ultimate home theater remote. That's why I'm buying one.

 

[jamojamo]

These same threads came up before the first ipad

Exactly!!!!

 

[loon3y]

yes, everything comes in different sizes, but we're talking about apple. If one line, either the mini-iPad or iPad is doing much better than the other, they'll probably discontinue it for a while.



we'll see, but for the mini-iPad enthusiasts, do you think the mini-iPad has the potential of retiring the regular iPad?

 

[ActionableMango]

The ultimate home theater remote. That's why I'm buying one.

Really? I tried a universal remote app for my iPhone that came with an IR dongle, but it was very unsatisfactory compared to my Logitech. No physical buttons and having to unlock the screen really killed the usability.

yes, everything comes in different sizes, but we're talking about apple.

??? Apple makes many sizes of most of the things they make.

we'll see, but for the mini-iPad enthusiasts, do you think the mini-iPad has the potential of retiring the regular iPad?

No. Multiple sizes to meet multiple needs, multiple preferences, and multiple price points. Neither the iPad nor the iPad Mini should stand alone.

 

[loon3y]

Really? I tried a universal remote app for my iPhone that came with an IR dongle, but it was very unsatisfactory compared to my Logitech. No physical buttons and having to unlock the screen really killed the usability.



??? Apple makes many sizes of most of the things they make.



No. Multiple sizes to meet multiple needs, multiple preferences, and multiple price points. Neither the iPad nor the iPad Mini should stand alone.

apple likes to keep their line simple, and if one doesnt sell to their satisfaction they get rid of it.

the regular macbook, the MBP 17", talks of the mac pro being discontinued, and rumors of the 13" MBP being discontinued once the MBA 13" get retina display.

you know, not just the fact of just having different sizes.

 

[E.Lizardo]

apple likes to keep their line simple, and if one doesnt sell to their satisfaction they get rid of it.

the regular macbook, the MBP 17", talks of the mac pro being discontinued, and rumors of the 13" MBP being discontinued once the MBA 13" get retina display.

you know, not just the fact of just having different sizes.

Everything you said could apply to the ipod line.Look past your own nose and get the clue that everyone that doesn't want what you want is an idiot.I don't want a mini but I can see the size and price would be VERY attractive to many people.Why not just take your medication and wait to see what happens rather than go on some psycho crusade across the internet to convince everyone that something that hasn't happened,and that you can have no effect on anyway,is a horrible idea.

For the record I predict that it will sell quite well.

 

[PDFierro]

on the consumer end, i guess if you want to use it as an "e-book" but i just don't see the mass appeal in it, like the iPad and iPhone. its a smaller crappier version of the iPad, only thing about it is that its lighter, and cheaper.

and the others that said they would give it to "kids" i don't know how much you make but id hardly trust kids with a fragile handheld 300 dollar device let alone the original iPad right? and i hardly think most parents that have an average americans earning would let children handle a mini iPad, and rather just get them all their own iTouches instead.


the business side, i see even less relevance, in business they love the extra real estate on the iPad, it show much more detail, you can have basically 2 views in one with the split view controllers. and if you're a salesman that needs quick reference without the need of a tablet pc, than you have the iTouch or an iPhone.

Yes, theres going to be people that want the in between I guess since the samsung mini tablet came out. but in my opinion I doubt its going to be as high market as the iPad and the iPhone.

I just dont see a big market for them, not like the iPad and iPhone. the minitablet is cumbersome, but of course the buyer doesn't mind. but the whole point is to sell and make money right? i just don't see it selling as much as the iPad (forget the iPhone, nothing is going step to their sales)


I mean I guess its to compete with Samsung's note, but is it really worth it? are these mini tablets going to last?

I'm not undermining an individual's preference, I'm just looking at it in a real life perspective, how difficult is it taking it around? and id assume people would replace their smartphones for these like the note (assuming it will have these capabilities), in which u wont comfortably move around without some sort of clip or having your girlfriend holding it in her purse. and in that case if you do carry it around every where and use it as a cellular device, what if it breaks? 100-200 more than it would be for replacing an iPhone. people don't have a problem with iPad because they usually don't care it around everywhere they go.


to me, it seems like these mini-tabs aren't going to be big players in the game, and i wouldn't be surprised if they just die out.


lol, at the people religiously thinking that its going to be a success, I'm not concluding anything, but if it we're me i'd invest on something else.

given the innovator steve is i hardly think he would approve or go in this type of thing. he brought in game changers, and this clearly isn't one

Believe it or not, there are people who don't want an iPad that big and would actually find a smaller model to be superior for them.

 

[SlyMac]

on the consumer end, i guess if you want to use it as an "e-book" but i just don't see the mass appeal in it, like the iPad and iPhone. its a smaller crappier version of the iPad, only thing about it is that its lighter, and cheaper.

Hasn't even been released and you already deem it to be crap.

and the others that said they would give it to "kids" i don't know how much you make but id hardly trust kids with a fragile handheld 300 dollar device let alone the original iPad right? and i hardly think most parents that have an average americans earning would let children handle a mini iPad, and rather just get them all their own iTouches instead.

Sure. There are always going to be people who can't afford something no matter how cheap it is. But I could deffinitely see parents more likey to allow their children to use a 250-300 dolla device as opposed to a 500+ dollar device. Apple has really never sold a item that was a lot less expensive compared to like items and they're still in business.

the business side, i see even less relevance, in business they love the extra real estate on the iPad, it show much more detail, you can have basically 2 views in one with the split view controllers. and if you're a salesman that needs quick reference without the need of a tablet pc, than you have the iTouch or an iPhone.

Since when did apple say this is for business? Or any manufacturer for that matter? The 7" tablet is not meant for that. It's a smaller consumer product for light use.

Yes, theres going to be people that want the in between I guess since the samsung mini tablet came out. but in my opinion I doubt its going to be as high market as the iPad and the iPhone.

I just dont see a big market for them, not like the iPad and iPhone. the minitablet is cumbersome, but of course the buyer doesn't mind. but the whole point is to sell and make money right? i just don't see it selling as much as the iPad (forget the iPhone, nothing is going step to their sales)

I don't know about you, but most of the moves from device makers like amazon,and google have been in the 7" form factor lately. Seems like they realize the potential, or aren't as smart as you. Why would a mini iPad ever impact sales of an iPhone. One is a phone, the other isn't.

I mean I guess its to compete with Samsung's note, but is it really worth it? are these mini tablets going to last?

Again, the note is a phone, a very big one, but still a phone.

Nobody knows if they are going to last. They could go the way of the netbook if something better come along. You know, like what the tablet helped do to the netbook.

I'm not undermining an individual's preference, I'm just looking at it in a real life perspective, how difficult is it taking it around? and id assume people would replace their smartphones for these like the note (assuming it will have these capabilities), in which u wont comfortably move around without some sort of clip or having your girlfriend holding it in her purse. and in that case if you do carry it around every where and use it as a cellular device, what if it breaks? 100-200 more than it would be for replacing an iPhone. people don't have a problem with iPad because they usually don't care it around everywhere they go.


to me, it seems like these mini-tabs aren't going to be big players in the game, and i wouldn't be surprised if they just die out.


lol, at the people religiously thinking that its going to be a success, I'm not concluding anything, but if it we're me i'd invest on something else.

given the innovator steve is i hardly think he would approve or go in this type of thing. he brought in game changers, and this clearly isn't one

I think you really miss the point of the form factor and think that because you don't understand, nobody will buy one. That is your problem.

 

[ActionableMango]

you know, not just the fact of just having different sizes.

There are still two distinct lines of MacBook, one with three screen choices and the other with two screen choices. That's still a lot of choice.

There is room for more choice in the iPad line. Right now the only choice is a current 10" model or last year's 10" model.

 

[loon3y]

Everything you said could apply to the ipod line.Look past your own nose and get the clue that everyone that doesn't want what you want is an idiot.I don't want a mini but I can see the size and price would be VERY attractive to many people.Why not just take your medication and wait to see what happens rather than go on some psycho crusade across the internet to convince everyone that something that hasn't happened,and that you can have no effect on anyway,is a horrible idea.

For the record I predict that it will sell quite well.

lol convince? somebody got really but hurt with their indirect insults, get off your high horse bro.

its like saying **** apple is like im saying **** you, to you.

i just said i think its not going to be as successful and i said my valid points, im not on a "crusade as you call it" to change everyones minds, honestly you have some problems.


lol, the ipod line? how the hell are you going to compare the ipod line to a line of Tablet PCs?

ipods can be given to kids 8 and up, their cheap and their MP3 players.

thats like sony comparing its mp3 player lines with a sony playstation. it doesnt make sense.



all im wondering if its going to be asmart business move, like sony having a playstation mini, or something.

 

[loon3y]

Hasn't even been released and you already deem it to be crap.



Sure. There are always going to be people who can't afford something no matter how cheap it is. But I could deffinitely see parents more likey to allow their children to use a 250-300 dolla device as opposed to a 500+ dollar device. Apple has really never sold a item that was a lot less expensive compared to like items and they're still in business.



Since when did apple say this is for business? Or any manufacturer for that matter? The 7" tablet is not meant for that. It's a smaller consumer product for light use.




I don't know about you, but most of the moves from device makers like amazon,and google have been in the 7" form factor lately. Seems like they realize the potential, or aren't as smart as you. Why would a mini iPad ever impact sales of an iPhone. One is a phone, the other isn't.



Again, the note is a phone, a very big one, but still a phone.

Nobody knows if they are going to last. They could go the way of the netbook if something better come along. You know, like what the tablet helped do to the netbook.




I think you really miss the point of the form factor and think that because you don't understand, nobody will buy one. That is your problem.

im not "deeming" it crap, im saying its a crappier version, is the resolution going to be as high? the processing power? disk space, etc etc. so it is going to be a "crappier version" unless they can have the same specs on it some how and still keep it small.


lol im not saying its going to "effect" iphone sales, nor have i said that in any of my posts.


i said that they want to sell as MUCH as ipad numbers and such to deem it successful, if they dont sell as much as the ipad would it meet their expectations?




lol i dont understand? im just saying with the amount money put into production (getting the parts and setting up the factories) to investing on the guys that put it together and design it.

everyone needs a phone, thus why the iphone is so successful

the ipad is arguably the best tablet pc out there, which is perfect for businesses more so than just "entertainment"


lol only for consumers? how so? is the itouch and iphone only for consumers? since its so small?

lmfao thats absurd itouches and iphones are going to replace cash registers, among many other things. i work for a software company and we can make apps for customers from tradeshows, to point of sale, to traveling salesman.

to label any of these products "only for consumers" is just nonsense.


there is no reason for mini-iPad not to be in business, but people, people that know technology or dont, always complain, and like you people have their own preference.

but most traveling salesmen want an itouch/iphone size device, so they can search for a product and take orders right than and there, and its small. how many of these guys are going to get a mini-ipad for that?

how many people at retail stores, showroom booths, etc etc are going to choose a mini over an iPad?


im just saying i dont think sales are going to be over the roof, and i know i can be utterly wrong.

and i talk about the business side alot, because believe me its the future, 10-15 years from now almost everyone is going to be paperless and most businesses is going use a mobile device, tablet PC for work, whether to scan packages to check them into inventory or to just browse through a catalog app in a retail store, or a POS system like what apple does at their stores with their linea pro devices.


a lot of businesses are getting ipads, iphones, and itouches. i just think the mini-ipad wont sell as much because I dont see a market for them there.


lol some of you posters act like im not entitled for an opinion.

im not saying "THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL" im saying "I DONT THINK THEY ARE"




i thank sly mac for actually writing legit responses, while the other guy was just straight disrespectful

 

[SlyMac]

im not "deeming" it crap, im saying its a crappier version, is the resolution going to be as high? the processing power? disk space, etc etc. so it is going to be a "crappier version" unless they can have the same specs on it some how and still keep it small.

Saying something is going to be a craiier version of something, is in effect, calling it crap. If you said it was just going to be less powerfull, or lower resolution, it'd be different. Poor word choice imo.

lol im not saying its going to "effect" iphone sales, nor have i said that in any of my posts.

i said that they want to sell as MUCH as ipad numbers and such to deem it successful, if they dont sell as much as the ipad would it meet their expectations?

I responded to this comment ("forget the iPhone, nothing is going step to their sales"). Even including the iphone numbers in your argument is pointless. They are 2 completely different products in 2 completely different markets. Comparing those number or suggesting that there was ever the possiblility of the mini impacting sales of a device like the note (which you omitted this time in your response) is crazy.

lol i dont understand? im just saying with the amount money put into production (getting the parts and setting up the factories) to investing on the guys that put it together and design it.

Apparently, apple does see the potential.

everyone needs a phone, thus why the iphone is so successful

Point? 2 completely different markets. Just because the mini doesnt sell like the iphone doesnt mean its a failure. 2 devices, 2 different expectations.

the ipad is arguably the best tablet pc out there, which is perfect for businesses more so than just "entertainment"


lol only for consumers? how so? is the itouch and iphone only for consumers? since its so small?

lmfao thats absurd itouches and iphones are going to replace cash registers, among many other things. i work for a software company and we can make apps for customers from tradeshows, to point of sale, to traveling salesman.

to label any of these products "only for consumers" is just nonsense.

I NEVER said it was a consumer only device. I said it wasnt meant for that and it isnt. It's a consumer device, plain and simple. The ipad, is marketed as a consumer device. Its got itunes, app store, ibooks, and newsstand. All consumer apps designed to get you and I to spend that $$$. Is there a business application for it (anyone thats stepped into an apple store knows it can)? SURE. But that doesnt change the fact that its primary objective is to get people to consume apples stuff.

there is no reason for mini-iPad not to be in business, but people, people that know technology or dont, always complain, and like you people have their own preference.

but most traveling salesmen want an itouch/iphone size device, so they can search for a product and take orders right than and there, and its small. how many of these guys are going to get a mini-ipad for that?

how many people at retail stores, showroom booths, etc etc are going to choose a mini over an iPad?

im just saying i dont think sales are going to be over the roof, and i know i can be utterly wrong.

and i talk about the business side alot, because believe me its the future, 10-15 years from now almost everyone is going to be paperless and most businesses is going use a mobile device, tablet PC for work, whether to scan packages to check them into inventory or to just browse through a catalog app in a retail store, or a POS system like what apple does at their stores with their linea pro devices.


a lot of businesses are getting ipads, iphones, and itouches. i just think the mini-ipad wont sell as much because I dont see a market for them there.


lol some of you posters act like im not entitled for an opinion.

im not saying "THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL" im saying "I DONT THINK THEY ARE"

Again, the market that will make or break the mini is the consumer market. For a device like this, the point is to get consumers consuming. Business is not the primary focus (look at any ipad ad and see what apple wants you to do). It may be in 15 years like you say, but right now, thats not the case.

 

[flyguy206]

It never hurts having options.

 

[saintforlife]

whats the point of it? i mean honestly, i have an iphone and an ipad, why would i need a mini? why would anyone else want a mini? i mean because of financial reasons? i cant see the mini being that much cheaper than the original, and why they would want a device with less real estate.

i mean does apple want a variety of products? than why did they discontinue the 17inch MBP?

imo, if they go through with it, its going to be a flop. im not going to say its gonna be horrible, but i doubt its going to meet expectations.

just a waste of resources, why not invest on something else and bring something unique to the table.

is that it apple? your just going to milk the iphone/ipad till u get sucked dry?

God forbid if people have choices right? Since you have already predicted that the iPad mini will be a flop, maybe Apple should scrap its plans and not waste time or resources on it. Your username makes sense now.