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But if the iPad Mini is meant to be a competitor with the Nexus 7 and Kindle fire HD, the price would be considerably lower and therefore there would be a big potential market for it. I'd expect Apple would want to try and grab some sales back that the Nexus is taking away from them with their cheap 7'' tablet.

ic ic, of course id recommend people to get an iPad-Mini over a kindle, i havent seen or tried out the nexus 7 so i wouldnt know, but im sure the combination of iOS and either an iPad mini or iPad is much better than it.




i always push people to just go with apple in terms of smartphones and tablet PCs, because all in all, they wont have any regrets.

not because im an Apple Junkie (im more of a PC guy i have a custom built gaming rig, i use a MBP iPhone, iPad, etc etc for work) but its just the superior software and hardware . the other tablet PCs might have better specs, but is it better overall? is it smooth, the swipe gestures and the touch keyboard? is the OS simple to use? when im on the droid it feels like im on a old school windows phone. its just not simple enough.

id say the closest thing or the next best is the galaxy S3, but google needs to redesign the interface a bit, make it simpler and make it more easy on the eyes to look at, when i look at the droid OS its just so tacky and seems cheap.
 
I don't think it's useless to have a smaller ipad. I have relatives who would love to have an ios device that can fit in their purses and not stick out. Also, I'm sure some people would love to have a smaller ipad just because its lighter
 
and the average consumer isnt gonna want lug that 7" screen everywhere they go. more likely if your posting on this forum, your not the average consumer.

Exactly, how is one going to carry an 7" tablet? Probably in the backpack. So why not carry an 10" iPad with a much bigger display? It make very little difference to most users in term of weight and size.

Why is iPhone so popular? Because it has the largest display that will fit in your pockets and purses.

Average user prefer BIGGEST screen for a given size and weight constraint.
 
i just dont see a huge selling point, because it doesnt seem majority of consumers aren't going to buy it. business are basically out, since they rather just go itouch/iphone or iPad.

and the average consumer isnt gonna want lug that 7" screen everywhere they go. more likely if your posting on this forum, your not the average consumer.
But how do you know that anyone would "rather just go itouch/iphone or iPad"? Or that "the average consumer" prefers carrying a 9.7" iPad around vs a 7" one?

Lets pretend that in 2009 instead of the the first iPad being 9.7" it was 7.85" Would it NOT be revolutionary? Would it NOT completely change the entire tablet market? Or would it have the same impact because the size of the device means much less than what it is capable of doing?

Now, lets again pretend that in the world of a 7.85" iPads that in late 2012 a rumored 9.7" iPad was going to come out. My guess is that we'd hear a lot of complaints like "If I needed a big screen I'd use my laptop" or "I can carry my 7" iPad around in my back pocket and now I have to carry a freaking purse for my gigantic 9.7" iPad?"

It seems all this negativity and skepticism about the 7.85" iPad is based on people simply being more familiar with what exists now rather than accepting what "might" exist later. We saw apprehension from Apple fans as large capacity iPods got replaced by low capacity iPod Nano's so maybe we'll end up seeing the iPad 7" being the standard with the 9.7" being the iPad Classic.
 
Exactly, how is one going to carry an 7" tablet? Probably in the backpack. So why not carry an 10" iPad with a much bigger display? It make very little difference to most users in term of weight and size.

Why is iPhone so popular? Because it has the largest display that will fit in your pockets and purses.

Average user prefer BIGGEST screen for a given size and weight constraint.

exactly, and most students are going to go with an iPad for school in place of labtop instead of an ipad mini, taking notes and the smaller font isnt going to be really friendly. couple of my friends are going to switch to an ipad for school instead of a labtop, but the ipad mini wont cut it.



its going to sell, but its not going to appeal to the average consumer IMO, i guess for people who just prefer a smaller tablet, people who read ONLY e-books constantly at home and have limited use for a tablet (only small time browsing and cheap games), or people that dont have an iPad or iphone but haas a smartphone but wants an apple product thats portable.

yes i guess girls can bring it every where they go in their purse. but whats the point if it doesnt have a built in phone capability? i hardly see girls taking it EVERYWHERE they go, as it just going to be extra weight, and i hardly would see any girl taking it with them on a night going around town.


i just dont see a huge consumer base.
 
But how do you know that anyone would "rather just go itouch/iphone or iPad"? Or that "the average consumer" prefers carrying a 9.7" iPad around vs a 7" one?

Lets pretend that in 2009 instead of the the first iPad being 9.7" it was 7.85" Would it NOT be revolutionary? Would it NOT completely change the entire tablet market? Or would it have the same impact because the size of the device means much less than what it is capable of doing?

Now, lets again pretend that in the world of a 7.85" iPads that in late 2012 a rumored 9.7" iPad was going to come out. My guess is that we'd hear a lot of complaints like "If I needed a big screen I'd use my laptop" or "I can carry my 7" iPad around in my back pocket and now I have to carry a freaking purse for my gigantic 9.7" iPad?"

It seems all this negativity and skepticism about the 7.85" iPad is based on people simply being more familiar with what exists now rather than accepting what "might" exist later. We saw apprehension from Apple fans as large capacity iPods got replaced by low capacity iPod Nano's so maybe we'll end up seeing the iPad 7" being the standard with the 9.7" being the iPad Classic.


if they came out with the 9.7" iPad Later, it would of been huge for businesses, like i explained multiple times in this thread because of the real estate, the 7" wont be able to cut it.

like i said imagine the apple store with 7" ipads next to their macbooks and macbook airs, there probably would be an extra step somewhere, either pinch zoom or going to the next view controller because they cant fit all the details/images.


how do i know the average consumer would want a iphone/itouch rather than an ipad mini?

is that a serious question? how many people have cellphones? almost every single person.

and an itouch, how many kids get them form their parents, as an MP3 player or rather than them spending 200 + data plan for an iPhone?


how many students are going to type in notes with an iPad-Mini as opposed to an iPad? its not ideal for them, nor is it ideal for businesses.

how many people are going to carry an Mini-Tablet everywhere they go? when it doesnt have built in phone capability? not many.


and for the "rather carry a laptop" how much heavier and expensive is a labtop (i mean unless your going to get the cheapest low level labtop). like i said, couple of my friends are going iPad since it has reasonable real estate to take notes and to be easy on the eyes, and its cheaper than a decent laptop (meaning no lag, and obviously not any MBA or MBP)
 
i just dont see a huge consumer base.

I do. However, "huge" is a vague term that would enable both of us to claim we were right over a wide range of numbers.

In any case, I wouldn't make any predictions until the announcement. Without knowing what the features and pricing are like, nobody can possible know how it will fare against the regular iPad.
 
I do. However, "huge" is a vague term that would enable both of us to claim we were right over a wide range of numbers.

In any case, I wouldn't make any predictions until the announcement. Without knowing what the features and pricing are like, nobody can possible know how it will fare against the regular iPad.

i agree somewhat, if the price of the mini-ipad is 250 that'll bea huge move and would appeal much more to people, but i assume the features is going to be less than the iPad because of the side of the hardware (obviously its not going to be as powerful) but if they have the built in phone in there thatll be something else.



but "Huge" is breaking in to the average consumer, even with the regular iPad, an average person has to ask himself is it worth it?

but most definitely the iPad appeals to businesses and they'll get plenty of sales there.

like i said with the iPad the average consumer is going to ask himself does he really need it? iPads are good labtop replacement for businessmen (that dont have a profession within the software/tech industry) and students.



theres going to be lines in front of stores for it, no doubt. but its just not a practical device most people would by, its more mobile than the iPad but its not a "take everywhere with you advice"


but the $$$ is going to be a deal breaker, if its cheaper than 300 than alot of people would probably switch from the iPad to the mini for entertainment purposes.


but for all else, school, retail, showrooms, trade shows, etc etc. its just not ideal.
 
It's for the people who don't have a iPad but want to buy one for less than $300.

I question is Apple really going to sell this thing for under $300?
8gig- $299...maybe- but it's 8 gigs.

I've been pricing other 7inch tablets form Samsung, etc. and they are not cheap.

Unless it's 16gig for $299-$350- I might pass and just pick up a Nook tablet or Fire HD for a portable ereader
 
Lets pretend that in 2009 instead of the the first iPad being 9.7" it was 7.85" Would it NOT be revolutionary? Would it NOT completely change the entire tablet market? Or would it have the same impact because the size of the device means much less than what it is capable of doing?
Apple had access to 163 ppi screens as they were working on the iPad and at its release. I guess they tried prototypes of 1024x768 iPad at 163 ppi before the 9.7" version.
As well as their pro laptop have screens at a pixel density in the 115 ppi range and their desktop ~100 ppi screens and ultrabooks ~130 ppi, they probably considered a lower pixel density than the iPhone was preferable/enough/cheaper for a device in the tablet category and adapted to the distance they are used at. It's not hazard, these are choices.
Moreover, the size of the screen, including the aspect ratio, affects the versatility in usages of a device. That also was likely taken in consideration.

We saw apprehension from Apple fans as large capacity iPods got replaced by low capacity iPod Nano
so maybe we'll end up seeing the iPad 7" being the standard with the 9.7" being the iPad Classic
1. who are "we" ?
2. It was the iPod mini (the nano was introduced later and replaced the mini, with same use case, and the original iPod was maintained and still exists)
3. There was no special apprehension at the time. Some people only were misunderstanding the higher price $/Mo but understood once considering the difference of size and weight it offered.
4. you are still considering a 35% smaller screen would allow to do the same tasks.


To add to the debate: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1426836/
 
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if they came out with the 9.7" iPad Later, it would of been huge for businesses, like i explained multiple times in this thread because of the real estate, the 7" wont be able to cut it.
Based on what? To be honest, your opinions aren't actually based on anything factual yet you keep making these concrete statements about what people would buy and what people wouldn't buy.
how do i know the average consumer would want a iphone/itouch rather than an ipad mini?

is that a serious question? how many people have cellphones? almost every single person.

and an itouch, how many kids get them form their parents, as an MP3 player or rather than them spending 200 + data plan for an iPhone?

how many students are going to type in notes with an iPad-Mini as opposed to an iPad? its not ideal for them, nor is it ideal for businesses.

how many people are going to carry an Mini-Tablet everywhere they go? when it doesnt have built in phone capability? not many.
Huh? Now youre just avoiding the question. And that's funny here because I was addressing YOUR own original statement "business are basically out, since they rather just go itouch/iphone or iPad, but now in your response you completely omit the larger iPad in order to make a point that only favors your limited opinion of the future.

and for the "rather carry a laptop" how much heavier and expensive is a labtop (i mean unless your going to get the cheapest low level labtop). like i said, couple of my friends are going iPad since it has reasonable real estate to take notes and to be easy on the eyes, and its cheaper than a decent laptop (meaning no lag, and obviously not any MBA or MBP)

Your thinking just seems reactionary but not well thought out. You're claiming people will choose an iPad over a "labtop" because laptops are too heavy and expensive. Yet you dismiss the argument that people will gravitate towards the 7.85" iPad then you claim price and weight are irrelevant? Again, until we actually use the thing then we can't assume about what it can and can't do because iOS has yet to be seen on anything but the current size.

If you dont want to be open minded about a product you have yet to try then that's fine. But don't create a thread as a question when you have no intention of entertaining a discussion.
 
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uhm? what does that have to do anything with businesses using iPads? the reason business whether for retail, trade shows, showroom, etc etc is because of the real estate on here.

What does your THREAD have anything to do with business sales of the iPad?

It doesn't, I responded to your OP, which questioned the point of the iPad Mini.

Yes there is a point to the iPad Mini.

/Thread.
 
but the $$$ is going to be a deal breaker, if its cheaper than 300 than alot of people would probably switch from the iPad to the mini for entertainment purposes.

+1.

I think the only business model that is going to work is to have iPad mini targeting the consumer entertainment market, as an Apple TV tablet, and a PS Vita competitor. iPad mini is going to be dumbed down in order differentiate itself from its big brother. Maybe it should have two analog sticks as well.
 
I intend to use the iPad Mini mainly as an ereader mainly because Kindle is not available in my country.

Where do you get ebooks for iPad, assuming Amazon ebooks are not for sale to my country?
 
sales of the google nexus 7 inch tablet are projected to be near 8 million for the first year- ok a bit of guess work is included.

Ipad sold 15 million in its first year.

have you seen those internal emails about an ipad mini from the court case? apple execs seem to think its worthwhile.
 
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Large Size - Perfect size for both usability and portability

Small Size - Perfect size for both usability and portability

Middle Size - OMG Apple Fail! the OS would be unusable, the size is both too large and too small, bizniz ppl don't care about portability, average consumers won't carry it around and saving money is stoopid! This product I've never used shouldn't even exist!


I will never understand how people that claim to "Think Different" can be so closed minded towards products they haven't even tried yet. :confused:
 
Based on what? To be honest, your opinions aren't actually based on anything factual yet you keep making these concrete statements about what people would buy and what people wouldn't buy.

Huh? Now youre just avoiding the question. And that's funny here because I was addressing YOUR own original statement "business are basically out, since they rather just go itouch/iphone or iPad, but now in your response you completely omit the larger iPad in order to make a point that only favors your limited opinion of the future.



Your thinking just seems reactionary but not well thought out. You're claiming people will choose an iPad over a "labtop" because laptops are too heavy and expensive. Yet you dismiss the argument that people will gravitate towards the 7.85" iPad then you claim price and weight are irrelevant? Again, until we actually use the thing then we can't assume about what it can and can't do because iOS has yet to be seen on anything but the current size.

If you dont want to be open minded about a product you have yet to try then that's fine. But don't create a thread as a question when you have no intention of entertaining a discussion.


first of all when have i said the price was irrelevant?


based on what? based on the fact that i work with companies in retail and manufacturing that WANT AN IPAD.

based on what these MANAGERS and what the ADVERTISING team TELLS ME, from multiple multiple companies

thats how I KNOW. lmao u have absolutely no idea what your talking about. an open mind? did u not read all the things i have pointed out?



again, people would choose an iPad over a labtop for businessmen that arnt in the tech/software business or students that only use it for taking notes.

do you even read what i say? how are you going to consistently write notes in a 7" tablet? its going to be tedious.


ironically, my good sir, are the one closed minded, i took in count almost every perspective.

what sells, what doesnt, what people like, what the average person likes.


the average consumer isn't part of the apple fandom like most of us here, its just if they have enough money, and the choose to get a mp3 player or tablet (forget the phone because everyone needs the phone lets talk about stuff that isnt a necessity) they'll get an apple product.


if its going to be 300 dollars or up, people are going to look at it, and most are not going to see the value of it, especially if its a dumbed down version for what only 100-150 dollars less? if your going to spend that much on a tablet, might as well spend a little more get a much better product.


entertaining a discussion?

My thread, if you read the title is a question, a question asking people on here to tell me the hard points of why an iPad-Mini is going to be successful, all you happened to say is "people like it for personal preference", while as I mentioned the selling points, the price and if its worth the value, and the fact that it wouldn't really have a fit in the business world with the itouches/iphones and the ipads in the lineup.

please be real, this is a business, if it doesnt sell to satisfaction, than it is a blunder, you dont make products like that to make minimal sells, lmao if you invest on a product which ur going to manufacture thousands upon thousands you want to sell alot, if it doesnt meet its goal in terms of sale, it can basically be a failed project.


all you managed to say was "blah blah blah people have personal preference like me, i want it so other people are going to want it" i see you have no sense of business at all.


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What does your THREAD have anything to do with business sales of the iPad?

It doesn't, I responded to your OP, which questioned the point of the iPad Mini.

Yes there is a point to the iPad Mini.

/Thread.



...... how are you going to say business has nothing to do with it.


you do know business sales, count as sales too right? and companies/corporations will get anywhere from 5-100 devices, much more than what a family house hold would ever buy.


so yes of course its going to effect the sales of n iPad, and why does that matter? because apple is a business its self and the whole POINT of making these products is to sell and make money.


yes so business does come into consideration, every business out there from multiple industries want their business to be automized. they show off to their competitors and customers and it draws attention, not even that it saves TIME AND MONEY


like above all, you mentioned to say is "people want the mini" "what does business have to do with it"

im sorry but if u dont see the business value, than your are term that i wouldnt be allowed to say on here.


lmao thats like saying computers have no place in work 20-30 years ago.
 
Image

Large Size - Perfect size for both usability and portability

Small Size - Perfect size for both usability and portability

Middle Size - OMG Apple Fail! the OS would be unusable, the size is both too large and too small, bizniz ppl don't care about portability, average consumers won't carry it around and saving money is stoopid! This product I've never used shouldn't even exist!


I will never understand how people that claim to "Think Different" can be so closed minded towards products they haven't even tried yet. :confused:


"stoopid"", "bizniz" it seems like to me you have no idea what your talking about, business people dont care about portability? theres a reason in the apple store the workers carry around iTouches, rather than iPads for the POS (point of sale because from your posts your probably dont even know what a POS, or matter of fact im pretty sure you dont even know what a point of sale system is)


of course business people care about portability, u think a traveling salesman would want to carry something huge around that isnt portable, and given if he is a salesman, he isnt going to be a tech nerd, and wouldnt care less if he had iPad, itouch, iphone but what he does care is the extra weight and irritation of something if he were to carry soemthing huge. thats like having a salesman carry around a labtop everywhere he goes, but y do that when all you have to carry is small itouch, in which u can look up inventory, whats on hand, whats in the process of shipping, process of getting made, etc etc.



what does showing a picture of the projected size of the mini,


have to do with anything with sales, and the success of an ipad?


apple doesnt cater to your needs, they cater to the average consumer, an if your in any business where you make and sell products that is the dream plan, your goal to get the average consumer, in which apple did pretty damn well with their iphone and mp3 players.

this has nothing to do about "think different" or having an open mind? think different? all you managed to do is copy an apple slogan, which is pretty pathetic and shows what level of intellect your brain performs at.


this product i've never tried? yea i never specifcially tried the mini, but one can guess itll perform like the iPad/iphone with touch screen and gestures, but most likely over priced and less powerful from the ipad.

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sales of the google nexus 7 inch tablet are projected to be near 8 million for the first year- ok a bit of guess work is included.

Ipad sold 15 million in its first year.

have you seen those internal emails about an ipad mini from the court case? apple execs seem to think its worthwhile.



apple execs? lol the same apple execs that fired steve jobs and than years later begged him to come back and bought out his company "Next"


yea these guys obviously have a history of making the right decisions.
 
It's for the people who don't have a iPad but want to buy one for less than $300.

It's also for people who want a smaller sized iPad, and for some of them price has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

They can't go too cheap, that would potentially kill sales of the iPod Touch. This won't be a cheap product, that's not Apple.

If Apple comes out with an iPad Mini the company will differentiate its offering from the rest of the pack by making it an "Apple product," meaning higher quality, better functionality, better usability, better design, all of which demand a higher price. Apple won't compete on price, that's not an Apple USP, they'll compete on the other bits... and people will pay the higher price (including me<smile>).
 
"stoopid"", "bizniz" it seems like to me you have no idea what your talking about, business people dont care about portability? theres a reason in the apple store the workers carry around iTouches, rather than iPads for the POS (point of sale because from your posts your probably dont even know what a POS, or matter of fact im pretty sure you dont even know what a point of sale system is)

Wow. Maybe you should consider reading what you write because all my comments about the Mid Sized iOS product was directly mocking your ramblings expressed within this very thread.

why would anyone else want a mini? i mean because of financial reasons? i cant see the mini being that much cheaper than the original, and why they would want a device with less real estate.
imo, if they go through with it, its going to be a flop.
the business side, i see even less relevance
but most traveling salesmen want an itouch/iphone size device, so they can search for a product and take orders right than and there, and its small. how many of these guys are going to get a mini-ipad for that?
the minitablet is cumbersome
how difficult is it taking it around?
u wont comfortably move around without some sort of clip or having your girlfriend holding it in her purse.

Your words, not mine. I'm all for the existence of two (or more) sizes of iPads. Apparently you are too and you'd realize that if you'd actually stop talking and listen to your own words.



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yea i never specifcially tried the mini, but one can guess itll perform like the iPad/iphone with touch screen and gestures, but most likely over priced and less powerful from the ipad.
Is There A Point For An iPad Mini? Yes. You answered your own question.
 
It's also for people who want a smaller sized iPad, and for some of them price has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

They can't go too cheap, that would potentially kill sales of the iPod Touch. This won't be a cheap product, that's not Apple.

If Apple comes out with an iPad Mini the company will differentiate its offering from the rest of the pack by making it an "Apple product," meaning higher quality, better functionality, better usability, better design, all of which demand a higher price. Apple won't compete on price, that's not an Apple USP, they'll compete on the other bits... and people will pay the higher price (including me<smile>).

it'll effect the smaller tablet market, but with a huge price tag, its just meh, and i assume its going to a test/beta product like the iPad "1"

so i wouldn't necessarily say higher quality, but it would be a much better product than a kindle.

if it had the right price it would thrive, 249 and ill say potentially a e-book/kindle killer. and if it has a built in phone capability, samsung note and galaxy tab killer as well.

THAN ill say it wouldnt be such a blunder.

but if not they roll out with a 300-350 price tag. i dont see it being successful especially with it lacking the appeal to the business world.

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Wow. Maybe you should consider reading what you write because all my comments about the Mid Sized iOS product was directly mocking your ramblings expressed within this very thread.









Your words, not mine. I'm all for the existence of two (or more) sizes of iPads. Apparently you are too, you just talk too and you'd realize that if you'd actually stop talking and listen to your own words.


Is There A Point For An iPad Mini? Yes. You answered your own question.




what in the world are you talking about all for the existence of two ipads.

who in the WORLD cares about what you're all for


i just said some points where it can be justified, but even than still there isn't going to be much sales.


a 7" tablet is cumbersome, and if your not carrying a backpack or a man purse around you all day, your not going to be one to carry it.


tell me how many people do you see taking out a backpack or a man purse when u got out a night and when its their leisure time. not many at all.


its portable, but how is the average dude going to fit it in his pockets?



and how did i answer my own questions, you we're rambling about the iPad-Mini saying "U NEVER TRIED THE PRODUCT" like we can't assume it wont be like the ipad or itouch (obviously).

lol what, were we supposed to think that it was gonna be a completely changed product?

its the hybrid of the two and i dont see many having the need to purchase item.


i love it how you completely ignored what you said about the business aspect of the argument.


good sir, you got ethered


your welcome
 
apple execs? lol the same apple execs that fired steve jobs and than years later begged him to come back and bought out his company "Next"


yea these guys obviously have a history of making the right decisions.

in the emails they say they spoke to steve jobs and he was very receptive to the idea.

It seems your in a little bit of denial about the smaller tablet considering how well they're selling for google.

are you battling buyers remorse over your ipad or something?
 
in the emails they say they spoke to steve jobs and he was very receptive to the idea.

It seems your in a little bit of denial about the smaller tablet considering how well they are selling for google.





whats the price of those tablets
 
whats the price of those tablets

officially from google 200 for 16gb version in the UK but you can get them for 175 elsewhere.

but when did apple or apple users ever care about price? as long as its cheaper than full size ipad the faithfull will flock to buy it.
 
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