Are you comparing open customization on an android to that of the ios api on the iPhone and it's ram consumption...
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Is This Apple's Darkest Moment?
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Are you comparing open customization on an android to that of the ios api on the iPhone and it's ram consumption...
I didnt say Apple was doomed if you re read my post.
I just put forward my concerns and they are pretty big. Because 70% of all Apple's revenue is from iPhone, an iPhone concern is an Apple cocern.
They are the success they are now because of ipod and iphone, ipod is no longer relevant to some extent so iPhone is important. In the pc department, windows has something like 90% over mac's 10% something like that - I dont see that changing any time soon.
And no doubt Apple will recover from the bending situation. After spending the money I spent on the 128gb plus I EXPECT Apple to rectify this situation cleanly and swiftly.
This will not however change the lasting impact on this bending situation in the long term.
A lot in this forum are just trying to say its not true, come on im an Apple fan as well and you have to acknowledge this. A few days into the launch people are bending their phones when its meant to be a 2 years + device, you dont think thats a little bit of a concern No?
And now thousands of video bloggers, youtubers, news channels broadcasters are involved - you really think this is a non issue if these major big organisations are getting involved?
I dont even want to think what Samsung will make of this when theyr phones clearly do not bend. Neither does the 6 or 5s or 5 for that matter just the plus. And for those people who bring up these 1 or 2 devices that bent, no, I have never heard of or seen a 5s or 5 or 4/4s bend till now, it may have happened but it was literally one or two cases. This is not the same.
Im just saying I dont remember an iphone situation this bad for Apple. A month ago it looked good, ios8 was rolling and records were set to be broken.
The biggest impact is on Apple's reputation. Im a windows user but I look at the Mac Pro are continue to be astonished as to what they achieved in such a small box when similar pc's are 10 times the size.
Apple is built upon superior build quality, that is one of the defining characteristics of iphone since the start and still continues. This bending situation has SEVERELY dented that reputation, and from now onwards everyone will rememeber the bending for all future apple products (ipod iphone iwatch etc).
Not their darkest but not their best.
In a few months I bet a lot of this gets sorted out via hardware design revisions and iOS 8 patches.
They are really taking on a lot at this point in time with what they're doing with OS X & iOS.
In a few months I bet a lot of this gets sorted out via hardware design revisions and iOS 8 patches.
They are really taking on a lot at this point in time with what they're doing with OS X & iOS.
I agree 100% with your post. There 2 new things going on this cycle. We have 2 newly designed iPhones and a major iOS release. There are always bugs and problems when a new piece of hardware or software is released. Apple will get everything fixed and in a month or 2, all the grumblings will disappear.
Regarding the bending issue, I believe the media has way overhyped this "problem" and all they have to go on is a handful of bent phones and a video of someone purposely bending the phone on Youtube. If you purposely go out to destroy a phone by bending it, hitting it with a hammer, dropping it on the ground or water, then the phone is gonna break. But how in the world is someone gonna exert that much stress on a phone during normal, everyday use? The answer is never and therefore this "bendgate" is a non-issue in my opinion.
God I love overreactions from people with no sense of history.
Apple's darkest moment is seriously a completely overblown bending scandal? Do you know anything about the company? How they would have died in the mid to late 90s without Steve Jobs coming back? How Microsoft basically saved them?
Phones bend, especially big phones. This is not a big deal. For some reason, people do not understand that we are ALL connected, and the mere fact of something having exposure does not lend credence to the argument being presented. Things get out because there's so much potential for it. It's so easy.
Please learn to discern the real news from a story and not just derive a conclusion already drawn for you.
Apple's darkest moment is seriously a completely overblown bending scandal? Do you know anything about the company? How they would have died in the mid to late 90s without Steve Jobs coming back? How Microsoft basically saved them?
Phones bend, especially big phones. This is not a big deal. For some reason, people do not understand that we are ALL connected, and the mere fact of something having exposure does not lend credence to the argument being presented. Things get out because there's so much potential for it. It's so easy.
Please learn to discern the real news from a story and not just derive a conclusion already drawn for you.
Short answer to the question in the subject line: "Hahaha. No."
Apple's darkest moment would have been in the mid 1990s when they were about 2 weeks from bankruptcy. I'm sure the mood was also somber when Steve Jobs died after rebuilding in to the tech juggernaut is is today.
Regarding the specific issues in question:
Bendgate - Are you kidding me? Sure it bends easier because it is a big, thin, phone. but guess what other phones bend too. Apple gets the attention because they are the market leader, and no one creates the buzz they do with new products. The bottom line is, a small piece of hi-tech, is totally incompatible with two hundred pounds of ass pressing against it for hours as a time regardless of who makes it.
1 GB RAM - Anyone that's owned apple products for a long time knows that Apple has never invested in cutting edge tech. They're more about refining it, and creating an experience for the user. Take my iMac for example, it's nearly 5 years old, and other than adding ram, the thing runs like a champ. Try doing that will a Dell loaded with Windows 7.
iOs -8.0 It's a new OS, anyone in technology knows there's issues with a new release of anything.... Now I do agree they screwed the pooch with that 8.01 debacle yesterday. Lesson learned for Apple I guess.
Apple's darkest moment would have been in the mid 1990s when they were about 2 weeks from bankruptcy. I'm sure the mood was also somber when Steve Jobs died after rebuilding in to the tech juggernaut is is today.
Regarding the specific issues in question:
Bendgate - Are you kidding me? Sure it bends easier because it is a big, thin, phone. but guess what other phones bend too. Apple gets the attention because they are the market leader, and no one creates the buzz they do with new products. The bottom line is, a small piece of hi-tech, is totally incompatible with two hundred pounds of ass pressing against it for hours as a time regardless of who makes it.
1 GB RAM - Anyone that's owned apple products for a long time knows that Apple has never invested in cutting edge tech. They're more about refining it, and creating an experience for the user. Take my iMac for example, it's nearly 5 years old, and other than adding ram, the thing runs like a champ. Try doing that will a Dell loaded with Windows 7.
iOs -8.0 It's a new OS, anyone in technology knows there's issues with a new release of anything.... Now I do agree they screwed the pooch with that 8.01 debacle yesterday. Lesson learned for Apple I guess.
Man, these forums are out-of-control with people who feel the need to start new threads to share opinions that are nearly identical to those found in existing threads. Where are the moderators?
Don't sensationalize. This is by far not Apple's darkest moment. When Steve left the company years ago was dark. When market share tanked because Windows 3.1 copied Mac OS hurt. The ex Pepsi CEO took over the company. Those were dark days. I don't believe you know enough about Apple to make that claim.
Their stores have massive foot traffic, during launches or in mid-April. Their stores are also iconic to the point where people visiting places like NYC go there as a sightseeing stop, similar to going to Notre Dame cathedral, just to see it.
Their market cap is great, so is the stock. They just acquired Beats which despite the criticisms was a smart business move.
You bring up the bending which is not new to iPhones and it is certainly not true that Android phones aren't immune to this. The only exception is that those phones look cheaply made, so we expect them to look like we don't care about them. However, when you take a phone as large as the Plus, you simply can't put it in your back pocket and sit on it. I wouldn't do that with a 5 either.
You complain that the antenna bands look bad, but you immediately seem to forget that the 5/5S had the plastic windows. I thought those were more obtrusive really. Samsung and company make phones with bad leather or plastic cases but Apple makes one from a sleek metal and obviously has to make the phone antennas work. Two design iterations now exist that solve the problem and both achieve it fairly well.
Sorry if having less RAM means better battery performance and overall performance relatively unimpacted due to the way iOS manages RAM, then I can deal with an occasional Safari tab reload if I get more battery life from my device.
I will agree that for a new device I have seen more glitches than usual in iOS 8, more than on my 5 for the 2 days I ran it. But nothing that is making it unusable. I think it is quite stable and considering Reachability, side by side apps on the 6 Plus and other changes to the system that are specific to the 6 and 6 Plus, there were a lot of changes and it is performing pretty well. Changes like Healthkit, Homekit, sharing and notification extensions, and touch ID access are all big api's that Apple is giving devs access to the core system in ways never done before. And that is all without addressing any continuity/handoff stuff coming with Yosemite, or the upcoming release of Apple Pay.
So no, this isn't appalling. It will be forgotten about. And Apple isn't slipping.
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I thought apple with iOS had become too conservative over the years. Still there are many functions I had on Android two years ago that apple has yet to get or is just getting like the predictive text which i had on a 4 year old htc. I actually think what they are trying to do now is take big steps forward. However, the difficult part is that there will be hiccups along the way.
What i expect from Apple is to hunker down and fix the bugs in IOS 8. As far as bend gate they will monitor the issue and make corrections on 6s or 7 if necessary and i'm sure they will include 2gigs of ram in the next model. I just hope they don't get scared of progress and become conservative. that, in my opinion, will be there downfall.
I am excited about the apps that are to come in ios8 and look for more creativity from apps for my 6 plus. I think we will see some exciting things over the next several month's.
I could be pessimistic but why?
What i expect from Apple is to hunker down and fix the bugs in IOS 8. As far as bend gate they will monitor the issue and make corrections on 6s or 7 if necessary and i'm sure they will include 2gigs of ram in the next model. I just hope they don't get scared of progress and become conservative. that, in my opinion, will be there downfall.
I am excited about the apps that are to come in ios8 and look for more creativity from apps for my 6 plus. I think we will see some exciting things over the next several month's.
I could be pessimistic but why?
This is precisely what I was alluding to. I don't think they NEED to Run. I almost feel as if they are being spooked by the media. They don't need to run. I'm not saying sit on their high chairs and let time and tech pass them by... but I feel as if they have stopped (or at least slowed) "skating to where the puck is going to be" and are starting to skate to where the puck IS.
The iWatch is a prime example. Did they REALLY need a watch? How is it different? What does it bring to the table? Same thing with Maps. They're beautiful and all... but we had maps already. Didn't need another.
And before I start getting blasted, I am as loyal an Apple fan as you'll find. and I have zero intention of going elsewhere. But I've been through the Non-Steve era once before. I hope they can apply what they learned during and after that era.
I understand that you're concerned about if your phone will bend or not.
Anyways... how can one claim that iPhone screens and cpu are old technology?
I mean, A8 is probably the best mobile cpu on the market. Compare it to anything. It's powerful, efficient and is 64-bit. How can one say it's old technology? Simply, it's not.
I partly agree about the screens. But who cares. iPhone's display is still gorgeous and definitely not behind the competition.
Only thing you're right about is that they should have increased the amount of RAM to 2GB.
Enjoy your new phone and stop complaining. Or return it and get some Android slab.
Sure, you have a right to speak about it. However, that doesn't mean we have to agree with you.
Yep, I think they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
Agreed. The software update issue and the reports of bent phones are troubling, but they do not affect all iPhones. It is embarrassing for Apple, but hardly their darkest hour.
Exact same boat as you; Purchased the 6+ and awaiting arrival. Not sure where to stand on this issue, quite concerned that my phone is going to be problematic (bending crap) in both hardware and software.
It's either the competitors are creating deliberate fear mongering topics (so far fetched), or this is a legitimate screw up going on (more realistic).
It's either the competitors are creating deliberate fear mongering topics (so far fetched), or this is a legitimate screw up going on (more realistic).
Were you an iPhone owner when the iPhone 4 came out and people had the problem with the antenna design? #antennagate
Were you an iPhone owner when the iPhone 5 came out and they were coming out of the box with nicks and chips? #scuffgate
Were you an iPhone owner then people discovered that the iPhone 5 design bent? #theoriginalbendgate
In all of those situations, there were tons of video bloggers, youtubers, and major media coverage. Were you concerned then? All of those issues would have affected your iPhone.
It's very much part of a normal iPhone launch for ANY issue that comes up after launch to be made into big news. And people complain about it. And then it seems like the same people line up the next year to by the next iPhone. WTH?
How is this launch any different?!
Guys this is an example of a person who just does not want to give in.
I bought a launch iphone 4, and still have it and it has the antenna issue. Im right handed and even if I was left handed it wouldnt matter because I dont hold the phone that way. And I will still forgive apple for the iphone 4 because that was revolutionary, they achieved fantastic things with that device.
I still have an original 5, yes is its vulnerable to scuffs, but thats a tiny issue - its not like its affecting the use. And no please, since when did iphone 5's bend? Just because you pull 1 or 2 pictures out of the millions that got sold dont mean anything - I just tried to bend my iphone 5 10 minutes ago, it did not bend, if you want il put up a dam video of it on youtube right now to prove my point. Seriously, are you this clueless?
This launch is different if you read my opening post. I dont remember thousands of bloggers and tv broadcasters making this big of a deal out of any iphone.
I just brought one of the most expensive phones in the planet, and within days hundreds of examples are coming out of this, its been a FEW days.
The worrying thing is what happens 6 months from now? I paid this money for things like Apple's iOS and historic build quality - I like the phone without doubt it is amazing, almost exactly what I wanted except for the lines and ram. But to know that the phone is being bent in peoples pockets, without much force and pressure is absolutely worrying no matter how you try and paint it.
95% of the iPhones users have not even heard about this bending. We forget that it is WE that are not normal and the exception by reading the cr^p in these forums.
Apple will do very nicely!
NO
they almost went bankrupt once
they have had a few real recal/replacement programs
even the antena issue on the 4 was a bigger issue considering they gave out free bumbers to help prevent the lost reception
they almost went bankrupt once
they have had a few real recal/replacement programs
even the antena issue on the 4 was a bigger issue considering they gave out free bumbers to help prevent the lost reception